Thread: So close to doing a WILD...

It just sounds to me like you might be trying to rush the whole process a bit. For me it takes at least 30-45 minutes to get into HI (hynogocic imagery). However it's different for everyone. But you mentioned you are seeing HI after just a few minutes? I find this hard to believe. You need to get into sp...I usually start seeing HI right around the same time that my body goes into sp...where you feel those crazy vibrations/humming noises. If your body isn't in sp you won't get into a dream and therefore wont go lucid, even if you are seeing "colors" and stuff. For me the whole process from laying down to lucid takes about 45 minutes. But that's just me. Is there anyone else that can do it alot faster I wonder?

Oh yeah...good luck!

Well I thought that perhaps that might be the reason I can't get it, because I go so fast into it.

The colours I see are kind of like waves. It's never one solid colour, all I can tell you is that it's not black and it's easily distinguished. They start to kind of move around my vision spectrum and flow to different places (center, upper right, lower left etc.). Usually it starts when I see a small dot of this "colour" and then I know that I'm starting to get into it. Shortly after large waves of it will appear and when that happens I'll start to feel like I'm almost falling into them, or traveling deeper into them. The weirdest thing I've felt so far is that my body was rotating to a standing position and my vision started to get almost white and I was losing the colour waves.

Maybe this isn't what I think it is? I don't really know, this is the first time I've ever tried to WILD. I've naturally LD'd all my life and I used to see these types of colour waves when I was a kid and I was sleeping in the car. (I think the reason I mostly saw them there was because I couldn't sleep well in the car because it wasn't comfortable. So I was kind of forced to be awake while trying to sleep.)

I'm not sure what SP feels like persay. My whole body goes numb around the time I start seeing those waves, but I can and have just opened my eyes and moved no problem. Haven't felt or heard any buzzing or anything either. I dunno.

I feel like I'm getting close, but maybe not.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that my eyes also starts to twitch quite a bit once I start seeing the waves of colour. The rest of my body can sometimes have very minor twitching but my eyes twitch a lot. Really don't know what that means, if anything, but I figured I should include it anyways so you understand my situation.

Perhaps you havn't had 5-6 hours of sleep before that? I try WILD's everytime I go to bed and the only time I successfully entered a dream is when I woke up and stayed up for about 45 mintues, it took like 2 mintues.

I know exactly how you mean, split. I can get all the way to the edge, but never seem to be able to enter the dream, and I can also get into the HI state quite quickly (although for me it's mainly hypnogagice sound), and also into SP sometimes in less than about 3 minutes. I just don't know how to step into the dream - do you imagine a scene, open your eyes, try a reality check? Some people say to imagine falling, but that doesn't seem to work either...

I'm glad there's others in the same boat as I am, I don't feel so alone =)

I had been trying it about and hour after I awoke from the night but I was still very tired (I had woken up early to do something)

I'll keep trying but it's hard, I have no idea how to enter into the dream.

im not sure if the colors you say that you see are related to ur passing into lucidity. I see colors that are just like you described whenever i close my eyes, wherever i am. They are similar to looking at something bright and then closing your eyes, except when your in a dark room and you have had your eyes closed you create them yourself.

If im wrong, and your really a gifted lucid dreamer then i dunno what the hells wrong with me =

Hey maybe I'm not even close, I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

But when I start twitching and feel like I'm moving, sometimes even spinning while my eyes are closed and I'm seeing colours and stuff, I figure that's probably on the way to doing a WILD.

I don't know if how much control you have in an LD has anything to do with actually inducing a WILD, though I doubt it. So whether I'm a gifted LDer or not, it probably has no affect on doing a WILD.

Originally posted by Roller
do you imagine a scene, open your eyes, try a reality check?

I just...go there. I'll be sitting there waiting for the dream and I just sort of wake up in the dream. The second you sucessfully WILD you'll know you're dreaming, no RC required.

Split Infinity, I've been having Lucid Dreams for 4 months. Up until the first week of this month, they were all DILD's.

For some reason that I don't understand, 3 of the 4 LD's I've had this month have been WILD's...I wasn't trying to induce them...I don't know what I did to have them.

I sleep for 6 hours, get up for about 15-30 minutes, and then go back to bed, usually about 5am. I do my affirmations to remember that I'm dreaming until I drift back to sleep. If I have trouble getting back to sleep, I use a counting method that I read about in "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming." I quietly and slowly say: "1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming, 3, I'm dreaming" and so on until I fall asleep. It works so well for me that by the time I get to around 30, I'm already nodding off and forgetting where I was in the count.

Like you, I see HI very quickly, within 5-10 minutes for me. I used to have quick, vivid dream scenes but now, like you, I see mostly colors. They move, starting slowly, increase in intensity, and then come to a peak. At the peak, I see a solid color, usually a pinkish color. This has happened to me many times in the last 2 months with no result but the last three times, when the HI peaked, I realized that I was in bed, lucid, knowing that I was dreaming. I've never felt any of the vibrations or had sleep paralysis, or heard strange sounds like some people report. One moment, I'm awake in bed watching HI and the next moment, I'm dreaming and lucid. I don't know how or why. All of this usually takes about 45 minutes.

Here's the strangest part...the first time it happened, I thought " Since I'm dreaming, I should get out of bed and do something". When I sat up, I FLOATED up to the sitting position in slow motion, with my arms on my head as if I was still holding a pillow to it. I was having an OBE. I stood up, turned around, and saw myself in bed. I'm surprised that I didn't wet my pants! After watching myself for a minute, I decided to visit a friend. I floated through a wall to the outside but couldn't see anything. I woke up. The next two WILD's were also OBE's but I didn't get nearly as far. Both times, I couldn't move after sitting up and then woke up. BTW, some people have said that OBE's are not real OBE's, just highly lucid dreams. I don't know what to think.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go on so long...I just wanted to tell you this because your experience is similar to mine and you might be on the very verge of having a WILD. Hope this helps you!

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Thanks a lot for all the input you had Number 6, I apreciate it. =)

The thing is, OBE's and lucid dreams are extremely different. There is always the assumption that OBE's are simply lucid dreams where your world remains as it does normally. I've read a lot on OBE's and they're more like you're exploring the real world by projecting your concious out of your body to basically fly around and observe. Whereas Lucid Dreams are all in your head, where you create and control the world around you and can summon people at will.

The weekend has finally come which means I'll be trying this a lot over the next 2 days.

I'll report my progress in here if I succeed or if anything different happens.

How do you stay concious until you start the dreaming without taking any caffine or nuttin like thats?

Guidosoft, staying awake has never been a problem for me...getting back to sleep is where I usually have trouble. I don't need any help to keep me awake!

I've read that some people have a Coke or something like it to stay alert. The sugar and caffeine blast should keep you awake for a while but I can't imagine drinking a Coke at 5am! Coffee maybe?

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wouldn't the caffeine wake up your body aswell as your mind though, aming it even more difficult to ld?

btw is there anything in particular you should do once you start seeing hi, i tend to picture my dream body meditating in lotus position, it usually takes me to paralysis quite quickly but after that i'm not really sure what i should be expecting or doing.(long sentence)

I wish I had more info for you, MEM, but as I said, I've just started having WILD's. After rereading the passage in "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreams" about the counting method I use, I remembered that it's really more of a WILD inducing method...which might explain why I'm having them now.

Hopefully someone with first hand knowledge will answer your question about caffeine.

Using that counting method and watching the HI increase in intensity to a peak, I know when I've arrived at the peak and I am either Lucid or not....I don't know why sometimes I become Lucid and sometimes I don't as I do the same thing every time. No special technique or visualizations. I DID visualize something on purpose once and became lucid but I believe that it was a coincidence. The rest of my WILD's were as above...and I've never experienced SP, or vibrations, or anything scary. As I said, one moment I'm watching HI and counting, the next moment, I'm in bed knowing that I'm dreaming and lucid..the change is that quick for me.

Try the counting thing if you haven't yet. It's amazing how quickly you can go "lights out" sometimes or forget to continue counting. Last night, I could not get all the way from 60 to 70 without forgetting or getting distracted and swept away by HI. I must have restarted at 60 at least 10 times and by the time I got to 67 or 68, I had forgotten to count!

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