Thread: PSI Abilities...I Think Not.

Originally posted by Placebo
lol? incredible torture?
Depends what you mean by that, but all they'll do is ask you to do it in a controlled environment. It's not like they own you

If you can give solid evidence of telepathy, you'd be helping millions. If you share the lottery with the poor, you'd be only helping hundreds (if that)

Anyway, it's your life and your choice...

Actually, Mexico & Africa are pretty poor, & if I gave them each at least $10 G(if I won a lottery)....they would be going into a buffet restaurant & porking out...so it is actually millions...but maybe we should talk about this through PM?
No way am I going to go into one.....I would much rather stick my head into a dumpster (I have done that as a janitor, anyways!)

hepennypacker52, I pretty much agree with everything you said. I just have to word it a bit more subtly else people get upset. But still, there is indeed a chance that this is all right - however insanely minute it may be - but until the people that can apparently do this, well, do it, then I'm not believing a word of it.

Originally posted by nesgirl119

Actually, Mexico & Africa are pretty poor, & if I gave them each at least $10 G....they would be going into a buffet restaurant & porking out...so it is actually millions...

ROFL .. if only it were that easy!
Beaurocracy makes it way more complicated than it needs to be.
Hey I have an idea, send me the money. I'm in south africa

Send me a PM if you wish

Originally posted by Placebo

ROFL .. if only it were that easy!
Beaurocracy makes it way more complicated than it needs to be.
Hey I have an idea, send me the money. I'm in south africa

Send me a PM if you wish

Silly!! I told you that I would have to win a lottery in order to do that...& that will take some training! Ask Michelle!!

hepennypacker52 is absolutely right to every word. There is no telekinesis!

No offence, but this stuff is C-R-A-P. Even if you do close all doors, windows, shut off all fans, cover you mouth and nose, etc. There is always air flowing through a room, CONTINUOUSLY. When you walk into a room, the air that is created by you walking, even if you can't feel it, can last for hours. How do you think that all objects that you place on shelves ( I'm talking about heavy objects ) eventually fall off? The wind which is to small for our bodies to sense moves it .001 of a mm at a time, maybe only about twice a day. So don't say there is no wind. Unless your doing this in outer space away from any light source, or in two rooms with glass separating you from the room with the object in it, both rooms are pitch black, and the room with the object had had an air tight seal on it for at least a year, then try moving the object with your "POWERS" through the glass. See? There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything. The heat, which comes for a light, or the sun, will create heat waves, which in turn create a movement of air, creating a wave for the object to ride on.

There, everything is solved. If you want to post some other crap about how you can move objects with your mind I would be pleased to disprove it, and throw the statement in the trash . So unless you can give a public demonstration about how you can move things with you mind, in the setting I described, using those no-heat lights that cost a shit load of money to see the object, then I and the other 90% of the of the populating will not believe in telekinesis.

Any more arguments?

Well done. Congratulations. Maybe we should close this thread now?
BTW, you double posted inside one post

Hey hey Placebo! Be nice! I edited the post and took away the double. So ha !

This is argument is as ever old as it gets, however I would like to say a few things after reading through it all (not necessarily concerning whether I personally believe in psi or not)

First of all, if you are into psi or anything similiar, then a true friend shouldn't be calling you weirdo, whether he believes in them to be real or not. Sometimes we have to open up our minds a bit more, there are millions of people out there who believe in a god who created an entire planet, is all powerful and all knowing, could smite anybody he would want to, and has a giant heavenly kingdom we shall all go to (if we behave anyway, else we shall burn in an endless fiery cavern). For some reason, that is accepted as a common, normal thing to believe in. Yet, something like psi is regarded as crap, bullshit, rubbish etc. Seems abit silly to me. Now Im sure a lot of you might say 'all that christian stuff is bull aswell', but you get my point. One 'normal'/'common' person would sooner accept somebody believing in the christian idea than in psi abilities, astral projection etc etc. Then we truly are a herd, going with the masses?

Now, I'm not saying I wholy believe in such abilities or have such abilities for the matter, but I have no reason whatsoever to consider them to be bullshit, much like I have no reason to consider christianity bullshit. I say, sure it is quite possible, why not in this amazing world, I am just not interested in it myself. I have no desire for such abilities, but if anybody else does, I would certainly support them.

Finally, if somebody seems slightly on the 'obsessed' side, that is a bad thing of course. Getting obsessed with anything, is a bad thing.And I believe that things like psi abilities have sorta been given to the people (by others) as some sort of junkfood spirituality (like other things).. But I do think that when 'floaty stuff like that' becomes more than a hobby, thats fine. Whatever floats your boat, some people deticate their lives to being popular and making lots of friends..others to other things. Again, whatever floats your boat. As long as are happy and you dont hurt others with it, and it would be nice if you could help some others along the way.

Just felt like saying all that, dont mind me..I know it doesn't add anything to the discussion whether psi is real or not, but yes or no wasn't really relevant to me I guess ^_^

Lol. Alright.
Objectively and from a scientific research point of view, yes there's no real reason to believe that telekinesis exists.

But describing it as impossible to prove because of wind and light is a bit unfair perhaps. If an object moves in a way that is consciously intended, and predetermined, then there's a lot more to be asked than a bit of wind or light.
Eg. moving something, even an unstable one, in a particular sequence and way that is predetermined and not 'natural' (eg wind)
Perhaps 60 seconds on / off in alternating directions, as an example

My point is that you can form an experiment that's a bit more convincing without totally eliminating wind and light.

Besides, it's all relative. If I could roll a pencil on a table back and forth, we wouldn't discuss wind

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I only read lucius' post now. Good point about religion

Yeah Placebo, your right. I would say, lift that anvil of the ground, with your mind, and I'll believe you.

Originally posted by SOBB
Yeah Placebo, your right. I would say, lift that anvil of the ground, with your mind, and I'll believe you.

And whack someone on the head w/it ....I still think that it is the law of physics that does this...

Originally posted by Placebo
But describing it as impossible to prove because of wind and light is a bit unfair perhaps. If an object moves in a way that is consciously intended, and predetermined, then there's a lot more to be asked than a bit of wind or light.
Eg. moving something, even an unstable one, in a particular sequence and way that is predetermined and not 'natural' (eg wind)
Perhaps 60 seconds on / off in alternating directions, as an example

My point is that you can form an experiment that's a bit more convincing without totally eliminating wind and light.

Besides, it's all relative. If I could roll a pencil on a table back and forth, we wouldn't discuss wind

Great point, but I don't see any evidence.

More evidence to add to the pot :

If people are so good at predicting big lottery numbers, then why doesn't someone who is REALLY good at this just travel around state-to-state winning all of the multiple million dollar lotteries? Don't you think something like that would oh say, hit the news? If all of this stuff was real, then it would be very publicitized.

Originally posted by hepennypacker52
More evidence to add to the pot :

If people are so good at predicting big lottery numbers, then why doesn't someone who is REALLY good at this just travel around state-to-state winning all of the multiple million dollar lotteries? Don't you think something like that would oh say, hit the news? If all of this stuff was real, then it would be very publicitized.

B/c Michelle chose to stay here in UT & tutor me!

Don't even ask why people wont go around winning everything, because everyone will say because it would raise suspicion that they were cheating...

Originally posted by SOBB
Don't even ask why people wont go around winning everything, because everyone will say because it would raise suspicion that they were cheating....

I don't think so!! You see, I brought a deck of cards w/me to special needs (an area for the mentally impaired & the mentally enhanced), & she guessed all of the ones I drew, so she really is a guess wizard...(as for me, I still only scored a 60% ). She really is teaching me...& we did alot of guessing in bingo lotteries at Experiment Camp, so don't say that she is cheating!

Holy crap Nesgirl119! I didn't say that! I said that if you went around the country, and won all the lotteries, bingo, 747, all that stuff, people would probably say you were cheating.

Originally posted by SOBB
Holy crap Nesgirl119! I didn't say that! I said that if you went around the country, and won all the lotteries, bingo, 747, all that stuff, people would probably say you were cheating.

Fair enough.....well, my boss says when I get better, he's going to take me to Idaho, have me guess the lottery #, & if my guess is correct, he'll split the spoils w/me!

hepennypacker52

There is alot of people out there right now that come across what is real and distort the hell out of it. This subject is one of them.

Whatever your definition of reality actually is. The only thing that matters is that you see clearly. And whatever it takes for you to stay out of illusion. Ones of those things is keeping a understanding of what you really know for sure apart from what you dont know, and keeping an open mind. To be willing to throw anyway eveything you ever thought was true in the realization of a higher understanding.

Your definition and understanding of true science I suspect is also lacking. But I dont mean to be critical.The current system of BELIEF molds peoples understanding.

There is a natural structure that does not allow someone to take over the world through some ability like this, mainly because anyone evolved enough to have such power revealed to them as a result does not use it in this way, because of their understanding.
The power is not used on pointless things. Its not like when you have this amazing technology and you are not spiritually evolved enough to handle it so you destroy yourself through it. Once you get these abilitys the natural result is there is a maturity and a different mode of consiousness that comes in with this. And it may not make sense to someone who doesn't yet understand it.

The ones that go down the other road and get their power from the masters of dark will not succeed either. Their power is finite and depends heavly on illusion and their use of deception.

It's wise not to restrict your potential, or close yourself off to possibilities because of strongly held beliefs that are not recongized as such and mistaken for absolute truth.

SOBB wrote:

then try moving the object with your \"POWERS\" through the glass. See? There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything. The heat, which comes for a light, or the sun, will create heat waves, which in turn create a movement of air, creating a wave for the object to ride on. [/b]

Yes, it is done. People actually put a glass container over the psi wheel and make the wheel spin. You made a point there when you said heat or light creates movement. Yes, that is true. But not continuously making it spin 360 degrees over and over again and being able to change it's direction. Have u ever watched the videos??

Originally posted by hepennypacker52


If you're a christian, then why do you even believe in telepathy? All of that stuff is against the Bible.

No, not telepathy. i have not found a place yet in the bible where it says telepathy is evil. Then again, mine and your view of telepathy might be different. I'm not talking bought them Ouji boards. those i'm really against. When i say telepaty,. i mean the power of the mind. we have no idea what kind of power God gave us in our minds so, some telepathy mihgt be true. But, after saying that, i would also like to say that while i think some telepathy (moving stuff with your mind) might be possible, i think basically all of the claims to do so are bogus. i don't think people actually do this stuff. Just saying, maybe in the future or something, it might be possible

Originally posted by Placebo
James Randi (the skeptic/magician with the $1mil challenge) has tested a couple of them and found them lacking so far.

James Randi is a Skeptical Industry. He goes on tour and collects speaker fees for telling skeptical audiences exactly what he is paid to say. If he should ever find anything genuine, do you suppose he would allow some Intellectual Honesty to snap his meal ticket in two. I don't think so. for some people a steady income ranks higher than the Truth.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
James Randi is a Skeptical Industry. He goes on tour and collects speaker fees for telling skeptical audiences exactly what he is paid to say. If he should ever find anything genuine, do you suppose he would allow some Intellectual Honesty to snap his meal ticket in two. I don't think so. for some people a steady income ranks higher than the Truth.

I've thought about this, and put it this way: How much money do you think Randi would make by discovering the first solid evidence of the paranormal?
He'd be rich beyond his dreams, including the person who demonstrated it!

Is that not a reason to throw away the steady income?

Originally posted by Placebo

I've thought about this, and put it this way: How much money do you think Randi would make by discovering the first solid evidence of the paranormal?
He'd be rich beyond his dreams, including the person who demonstrated it!

Is that not a reason to throw away the steady income?

Other People have already discovered it by the time Randy would get to it. The Patent would have already been applied for. So Randy would stay away. Randy doesn't even mention anything unless he can whip out some formulaic pre-packaged 'proof' that something is a fake -- his 'proofs' amounting for the most part in a simple counterassertion equivalent of "Is NOT!". If evidence was too solid Randy would ignore it. Randy has his 'gig' -- making Atheists feel good about their nihilism. Randy has his speaking tours all mapped out three years in advance. He's not going to find the one thing that will shut down his Industry. He won't smash his own Rice Bowl. He will never validate a Miracle.