Has anyone ever brought objects back from an astral trip?

[hydraat_takiyah]

I remember as a child, dreaming and trying to bring things back from anything from toys, to coins, to people; but just as i would get a good grasp, and wake up, they would not be there. You see, when you're a kid, magic is real; even though we don't call it magic. It's just a power that comes naturally to us, as kids. like, when i was a kid, i could see things happening on the other side of town at my mothers apartment(my granny raised me.) I would be sitting there getting my hair combed for school, and it would be like this movie playing in front of me. Well as a kid, i just shrugged it off as being sleepy. But even as a kid, i knew deep down that it was really happening. ONe time, i saw my sister, whom lived with my mom, jump out of the wall and into another running away from a spanking. I also felt the sensation of panic and fright come over me. I had my granny call her immediately and see what was going on. As it turned out, she was in trouble and about to get a spanking, (she was only 4 at the time) and my granny drove over to get her right away. My mother never asked how she knew something was wrong, and we never told. I know this has nothing to do with dreaming, just a lil background on this nut who's writing. I know you guys think i'm nuts! lol Anyhow, one day, when i first discovered that i had been traveling in my dreams was in school. Some of the girls were trying to wake me for breakfast. I could not move or here them; at first. I was off in the real world trying to get my eyebrows arched! well after relentless banging and screaming, they thought I was dead, i sensed them there. Yet, my astral body had not alligned with my physical body yet so i couldn't move or speak for that matter. When all of my part became one again, i was able to respond to them and get up and open the door, simultaneously, the dean was coming in with the key! they thought i was playing a joke, but the truth of it was, i couldn't explain it my self. Anyhow, as i made up my bed there was a blade on the mattress! the same one i had had in my hand when i was looking for someone to arch my eyebrows! I thought to myself, no way! we weren't allowed to keep lose blades in out quarters, only shaving razors; and none of the girls violated that rule. i could not believe my eyes. i still can't believe it today as i right this article, but it's true! so what do you guys think about that?

[goku4ever]

that is pretty cool if it really was from a dream, but I dont think it could be possible, I cant help but believe too strongly in the laws if physics and all that. But that thing where you could see your sister was in trouble looked pretty genuine, like a 6th sense or something

[Awhislyle]

Sorry, but I too believe in the laws of physics

[Neruo]

Originally posted by Awhislyle Sorry, but I too believe in the laws of physics Yeah me too. It sounds real cool and stuff. To bad cool things arn't true most of the time =( Alot of people believe in impossible things becouse it's just cool/nice. Just like religion. But it's still a load of crap ^___^ Maybe you are like telepathic or something, I don't know or that might be possible.

[djaio]

haha, and you guys call yourselves dreamers? good post. if things like that happen naturally to us while we're children, it makes you wonder what we as humans are capable of.

[jabatheglut]

how exactly does this defy the laws of physics? anything that manifests itself in one plane of existence can exist in another plane of existence, for example an electron in wave form is invisible to the human eye, this is matter that has no traits of a physical object, it has no dimension. however if it were to be directed at a television screen it would appear as a single pixel of light, where the electron made contact with the phosporescent chemicals in the tv. i'm not saying i believe this happened, or that it didn't. i'm just saying it doesn't exactly defy physics, because if exists in hydraats mind, it exists. on this plane of reality; as an electron, as a memory, as matter. i mean we're defying physics right now, according to physics electrons don't exist, there is no difference between an electron or a positron; a pencil and a coin, or you and me. according to physics not even "reality" is real. FART

[dreamtamer007]

In another post someone asks if DV is getting boring. Well I’ve been thinking that maybe its individuals that get boring because, the mysteries of life are supposedly all figured out?

[wasup]

Originally posted by dreamtamer007+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dreamtamer007)</div> In another post someone asks if DV is getting boring. Well I’ve been thinking that maybe its individuals that get boring because, the mysteries of life are supposedly all figured out?[/b] No... I think rather people are becoming more intelligent... <!--QuoteBegin-jabatheglut i'm not saying i believe this happened, or that it didn't. i'm just saying it doesn't exactly defy physics, because if exists in hydraats mind, it exists. on this plane of reality; as an electron, as a memory, as matter. Well let's see, one big law of physics it defies is the conservation of mass... you can't just create objects from your mind/dreams... and if it \"came\" from something, then that's impossible too, because nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. And even if you say \"your mind created it,\" from energy or something, it would require a lot more energy than what your brain lets off to create a solid object of the size being described. i mean we're defying physics right now, according to physics electrons don't exist, there is no difference between an electron or a positron; a pencil and a coin, or you and me. according to physics not even \"reality\" is real. [/b] I would LOVE for you to back that up, like, any of that. You can say "unicorn fur makes me invincible" as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true.

[Peregrinus]

Originally posted by jabatheglut i mean we're defying physics right now, according to physics electrons don't exist, there is no difference between an electron or a positron; a pencil and a coin, or you and me. according to physics not even \"reality\" is real. No physical theory states such things.

[jabatheglut]

nothing can travel faster than the speed of light? Quantum entanglement is a quantum mechanical phenomenon in which the quantum states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to each other, even though the individual objects may be spatially separated. This leads to correlations between observable physical properties of the systems. For example, it is possible to prepare two particles in a single quantum state such that when one is observed to be spin-up, the other one will always be observed to be spin-down and vice versa, this despite the fact that it is impossible to predict, according to quantum mechanics, which set of measurements will be observed. As a result, measurements performed on one system seem to be instantaneously influencing other systems entangled with it. ----However, at this time classical information cannot be transmitted through entanglement faster than the speed of light that's just from wikipedia. "I would LOVE for you to back that up, like, any of that. You can say "unicorn fur makes me invincible" as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true. " lol i'm not looking to argue just throwing some thoughts out there. everyone seemed to be against that dude. g's up hoes down, payce i'm out

[wasup]

Originally posted by jabatheglut nothing can travel faster than the speed of light? Quantum entanglement is a quantum mechanical phenomenon in which the quantum states of two or more objects have to be described with reference to each other, even though the individual objects may be spatially separated. This leads to correlations between observable physical properties of the systems. For example, it is possible to prepare two particles in a single quantum state such that when one is observed to be spin-up, the other one will always be observed to be spin-down and vice versa, this despite the fact that it is impossible to predict, according to quantum mechanics, which set of measurements will be observed. As a result, measurements performed on one system seem to be instantaneously influencing other systems entangled with it. ----However, at this time classical information cannot be transmitted through entanglement faster than the speed of light that's just from wikipedia. Correct, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Einstein showed us that. \"I would LOVE for you to back that up, like, any of that. You can say \"unicorn fur makes me invincible\" as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true. \" lol i'm not looking to argue just throwing some thoughts out there. everyone seemed to be against that dude. g's up hoes down, payce i'm out[/b] Just to let you know "arguing" is not a "negative" thing, it's more of debating. Generally it tends to seem as if its in a negative tone, but as long as it doesn't escalate. Anyways, "throwing ideas out" because "everyone was against that dude" is pretty pointless. Just then you basically admitted that your comments had no validity. Sure, those are your opinions, but by saying physics doesn't obey the laws of physics (which is pretty much what you're saying) is just idiotic. Sure, I encourage discourse on these types of subjects, but try to have something... anything... backing up what you're saying.

[Gus]

over the course of the past few days, my psychic and telepathic and as i like to phrase it, consciousness expansion or evolution has been accelerating at an alarming rate i met with a couple medium's and one man who claims to have existed and remember and visit quit often property that he owns in the astral (on a lower vibrational frequency rather than a higher one) my epxerience itself has come in several forms i can basically use my hands to tunnel part of my consciousness outside my body, then either review thoughts, create thoughts, or replay video of experiences ive had, but since this is done somewhat by feeling and somewhat by vision the data isn't always perfect, but it is much more intact than if i try to remember something normally the other thing is that ive learned (with the help of a certain entheogen and the knowledge that reality is just a dream) that i can feel my other senses main one is sound, its is very simple to feel, i can also feel my surroundings with my mind if i try i have also begun to understand how to seperate the lobes of my mind and basically uncross my wires of my consciousness and view my brain and my eyesight as 2 flat images that are meshed together to give me the impression of depth one of the most amazing thing about this, if i push myself deep enough into this trance like state, i can slow down my perception of time that and i can view the future somewhat, not view but feel it, feel what is about to happen, but it appears somewhat in visual form also if i do this and watch someone i can see their astral form and how it will move or any action they are going to do in the near future... anyway, believe me or not i dont care, just figured id put in my info but i still cant ld very well

[jabatheglut]

alright, i'm not gonna post here anymore cause of that estrada obessed homo, i dont need anyone's help anyways. regardless, quantum entanglement shows us that 2 objects seperated by space, but interacting with eachother instantaneously, are "transmitting" information faster than the speed of light. i guess you didn't read my post. who cares what einstein said? it's people like YOU that put regular humans like you and me up on pedastals and just assume they're correct, ie. jesus, hitler, bush. anyways, yall suck. gs up hoes down late. wikka wickaa wit

[jabatheglut]

i forgot to mention this FACT suggests that all matter is actually interconnected and cannot be viewed as seperate. the only thing that suggests that is seperate is the brainwashing drilled into your brain every day. peace out

[hydraat_takiyah]

Originally posted by Eric Estrada Just to let you know \"arguing\" is not a \"negative\" thing, it's more of debating. Generally it tends to seem as if its in a negative tone, but as long as it doesn't escalate. Anyways, \"throwing ideas out\" because \"everyone was against that dude\" is pretty pointless. Just then you basically admitted that your comments had no validity. Sure, those are your opinions, but by saying physics doesn't obey the laws of physics (which is pretty much what you're saying) is just idiotic. Sure, I encourage discourse on these types of subjects, but try to have something... anything... backing up what you're saying. einstein was also a manic depressive, and i'm a woman guys, for crying out loud!!!!!!

[Placebo]

Hmm. that's a pet hate of mine - women complain about not being treated equal to men, and when it suits them, complain about being 'only a woman' or similar. Perhaps I misunderstood, but that's what it sounds like to me. And of course I'm generalising - you may not have this attitude at all. Just had to mention this pet peeve Originally posted by jabatheglut alright, i'm not gonna post here anymore cause of that estrada obessed homo, i dont need anyone's help anyways. No need to resort to name calling who cares what einstein said? it's people like YOU that put regular humans like you and me up on pedastals and just assume they're correct, ie. jesus, hitler, bush. anyways, yall suck. gs up hoes down late. wikka wickaa wit[/b] Well if you have better theories, then let's hear them ? We've just discussed why your other ones don't make sense. Or do you have a constructive reply to what has been said? Until then, all you're doing is blowing smoke IMHO. No offence intended really - but objective reality is pretty well defined by physics. Now this doesn't mean I don't believe in the "paranormal"(footnote). It means I don't try claiming that physics is all wrong until I know what exactly the alternative answers are. Which I don't. footnote: paranormal in the sense of \'what we don\'t understand\' not \'what is beyond normal\'

[RyanParis]

I've done everything these two websites talk about: http://www.jonasridgeway.com/tech2.html http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astra...p1_rbruce.htm#8 http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astra...1_rbruce.htm#11 Did I defy the laws of physics?

[catrina]

I think humans are capable of doing things we can't imagine. If you believe that...Good for you! don't let anyone tell you it's not possible, because anything is possible. Look at all the people that laughed at Einstein when he talked about atoms and molecules...but he was right! just as they may be laughing at you now, you may have unlocked a door that holds infinite oppurtunities. Dreams are something that can't be logically explained. Yeah we have theories, but who knows what you're really dealing with.

[wasup]

Originally posted by jabatheglut+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jabatheglut)</div> alright, i'm not gonna post here anymore cause of that estrada obessed homo, i dont need anyone's help anyways.[/b] Very independant, I see. I've noticed people insult me when they lose valid points. Originally posted by hydraat_takiyah@ einstein was also a manic depressive, and i'm a woman guys, for crying out loud!!!!!! Glad to hear it, but that does not call into question the validity of his theories. He was a genius, nonetheless. <!--QuoteBegin-jabatheglut i forgot to mention this FACT suggests that all matter is actually interconnected and cannot be viewed as seperate. the only thing that suggests that is seperate is the brainwashing drilled into your brain every day. peace out Uh huh, and where'd you hear this? If you can science brainwashing... then yes, the fat that matter is seperate is the brainwashing drilled into my brain often.

[Peregrinus]

Originally posted by ataraxis I know what it said. I don't know quantum physics very well (but at this point it seems like a way for people who believe in paranormal effects to support their opinions, but that's just my thought) That's certainly how it's been used in this discussion and throughout most of this forum. None of the scientific claims I've seen on this thread forwarded to support the idea that an object can be magically transformed from a noncorporeal thought into corporeal form simply by waking up has been in any way valid.

[Placebo]

Getting a bit closer to the topic again: I do know a guy who claims to have astral projected (although he has some strange terminology and ideas on this) and returned with a piece of the vegetation where he visited. He claims that vegetation doesn't grow anywhere near his place. Interestingly this guy did do one or two interesting tricks that I cannot explain, which would suggest he can do telepathy or ESP. Probably just a parlour trick, but he was pretty impressive.

[hydraat_takiyah]

Originally posted by Peregrinus That's certainly how it's been used in this discussion and throughout most of this forum. None of the scientific claims I've seen on this thread forwarded to support the idea that an object can be magically transformed from a noncorporeal thought into corporeal form simply by waking up has been in any way valid. How do you think they built the pyramids pal. With their minds!!!

[wasup]

Originally posted by hydraat_takiyah How do you think they built the pyramids pal. With their minds!!! Are.....are you serious?

[InTheMoment]

Originally posted by hydraat_takiyah How do you think they built the pyramids pal. With their minds!!! Or are you related to Nesgirl? Btw - I love you Nes...in a way that a grown man loves a young fertile women.

[Gus]

ima point out one last thing the limits of consciousness are boundless, the limits of beliefs are sickening, and the limits of experience are amazing