A real OBE

[Zemfinger]

I began having lucid dreams long before I knew of their existence. From something as simple as having blackness in front of me and being able to choose what feeling I wanted to experience, all the way to choosing what I wanted to interact with in a dream. The consistent problem is that when I could choose what to feel, my mind would flash memories and concepts that frightened me and I would try to wake up but was unable to move my body for quite some time (Though I could feel it). Tonight I had the only OBE of my life - I wish to never sleep again. I went to sleep on my sofa. I was then laying in darkness on the same sofa - felt the same, thinking about life, the light in adjacent rooms were on as I remember them. (I dont remember all the different things I thought about...) I suddently looked around the room and remembered I hated darkness. I recited...."Though I may walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil." (which is odd seeing as how im agnostic)and got this really eerie feeling...I got up to cut on the light and my vision was fumbled. It was essentially like taking the old film reels of movie frames and showing them somewhat slower to where the viewer is concious that individual frames exist. When I got to the light switch I was flipping it on and off...realizing the light wasnt coming on. I dont remember if a light outside of hte room was cutting off and on but..SOMETHING made me come to the realization that this was all in my mind...and the light was not coming on because my physical body was not flipping it. I immediatly felt my body and jumped up. Help - I DONT WANT ANYMORE LD OR OBEs. They are honestly hell. All people trying to experience lucid dreams and OBEs...BE WARNED YOUR MIND IS THE SOURCE OF ALL NIGHTMARES AND ALL EVIL.

[Classico]

BE WARNED YOUR MIND IS THE SOURCE OF ALL NIGHTMARES AND ALL EVIL.[/b] Try not to let the past scare you, rather let the future bring with it remedies to problems former. I would personally hate to hear that this experience will stop you from dreaming lucidly. BE WARNED! YOUR MIND IS THE SOURCE OF ALL PLEASURE AND POSSIBILITIES THEIREIN! The same concept, the mind is a wonderful and frightening tool. Like all things it should be used properly, and responsibly. Fear = Ignorance.

[Zemfinger]

There is no joy without pain. There is no good without evil. Human Beings can conciously control roughly 9% of their neurological potential. The problem is that we DO NOT have the ability to control only good. The mind interjects unimaginably frightening "things" in lucid dreams. I accept that I could be wrong, but it is neccesary to warn people... You are essentially venturing into a cave that you neither know the deminsions of, or know what lurks inside. I can understand what a rewarding experience it would be to harnass the power of dreams, but what you are experimenting with is beyond your control. I have lucid dreams and do everything in my power to prevent myself from having them -I am stuck with them - I pray the same things do not happen to yo u guys. Most of your concepts of lucid dreams reside in the knowledge and experiences of others, mine are independent of such factors and thus I feel my view should carry more weight.

[jay dawg]

http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astra...alp1_rbruce.htm read all 8 pages of this course. maybe you should be more prepaired for your next obe. dont be scared

[Sarin]

Jay Dawg thanks heaps for that site, i found it very helpful and guiding, it was great thing to read and follow along to. thanks again Cheers

[nina]

HELLO!! this wasn't an OBE...it was just lucid dream.

[jay dawg]

Originally posted by Aquanina HELLO!! this wasn't an OBE...it was just lucid dream. but you ALWAYS say that

[nesgirl119]

You didn't happen to do a 'reading a book' RC, did you? Even if you did, consider it a LD, b/c when the book check works for Splash or me, we still consider it a LD, right Nina?

[nina]

no shit....if you are obe...try to prove it like i did at least

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Aquanina no s***....if you are obe...try to prove it like i did at least I didn't say I did that!!! I said that I can go read a book while having a la ciencia ficcion (Splash, thanx again for teaching me spanish!). Splash told me she reads books too!! Great work saying that they are only dreams, Nina!!

[Dreamers dont kill]

doesent really sound like an obe.. did you see your physical body sleeping? sounds like a lucid to me. And in lucid dreams even if they start out scarey or as a nightmare you can change that if your lucid or at least relize its not reality.. theres really nothing to be afraid of the way i see it at least. ive been reading a book on obe for a few days now and its really interesting im jelouse if you accualy did have one

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Dreamers dont kill doesent really sound like an obe.. did you see your physical body sleeping? sounds like a lucid to me. And in lucid dreams even if they start out scarey or as a nightmare you can change that if your lucid or at least relize its not reality.. theres really nothing to be afraid of the way i see it at least. ive been reading a book on obe for a few days now and its really interesting im jelouse if you accualy did have one Sorry, but we only have duplicates of ourselves (and only in a la ciencia ficcion)....guess that means that they are only LDs. True that is, in a LD, splash (& I can too) can usually use that as an advantage (such as phobia curing), however, we have limited control in a la ciencia ficcion, b/c we cannot touch anything!!

[Ev]

I must say this sounds a lot like a LD. A typical scenario of lucid dream/OoBE influenced by fear and anxiety. I used to have *a lot* of dreams like that. Same feeling of dread, same rush for the light switch just to find that it doesnt work. Several times i've battled some force that was present in the darkness around me. Once I been followed and upon finding out that the light switch doesnt work I've actually turned around to find a 7ft tall moster behind me. Yet, I dont cry doom and continue to lucid dream/ do OOBEs, whatever you wish to call them... I believe the fear of darkness is a natural responce of a novice lucid dreamer. IMO it can be traced to the early childhood, when kids actually report seeing monsters under their beds and in other random places. Some people even as adults posess a rudimentary fear of the darkness, especially if you are in unfamiliar setting(at least I dont feel comfortable). Now think of lucid dreaming - this fear might be taken to the extreme, because you *know* you are in completely different world, you *suppose* alien/evil things might be present here and on top of that you cannot escape the darkness by just flipping a light switch.... I can see some pretty crazy scenarios here

[ChinPriest]

if youre experiencing an LD and the light switch doesnt turn the light on...why dont u just "think it" and turn the light on that way?