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Hey Luffy |
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So far as I believe, I've only had one OBE and it took about three seconds. It was mesmerizing however, and it certainly left me with the belief that consciousness can operate away from where it normally operates. This on its own is not enough to make me believe fully in an afterlife. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
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I like that description a lot. I have pondered this for a very long time and I am coming around to the feeling that the human spirit/soul/consciousness exists in sort of a collective continuum that has evolved for far longer than we realize and not just here on this particular world of ours. I think we may have evolved past the corporeal and into a more spiritual form that occupies these cool bodies of ours here on this planet. |
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The more I gaze....the more I crave to see
When you next stand at cliff's edge....will you finally learn to fly?
Wow, I had never thought of it that way. But it brings up the question, do (the other) animals have the same experience? If this idea is true, or something similar to it, has it always happened this way, or is it something that started at a particular point in our evolution? Very intriguing. Of course the Buddhists say we can reincarnate as animals, so that would mean they're part of it as well. I have no thoughts on it beyond that at this point. |
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They may well be correct....but that is not what I am feeling. I feel as though I am a small part of a very human pool of consciousness.....that drop of water that you spoke of. I think it is that consciousness...what we have come to call the soul perhaps.......that gets "recycled". What luffy28 is calling the "afterlife" may really just be the transitional period. |
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The more I gaze....the more I crave to see
When you next stand at cliff's edge....will you finally learn to fly?
You know, you don't fit the stereotypical idea of a Landscaper at all!! Now I'm seeing you on lunch breaks meditating under the tree like Buddha before trimming it. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 03-06-2019 at 03:46 PM.
There is much about me that is definitely not stereotypical. I am quite able, however, to project a very stereotypical persona when it is situationally required. |
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Last edited by lenscaper; 03-06-2019 at 03:59 PM.
The more I gaze....the more I crave to see
When you next stand at cliff's edge....will you finally learn to fly?
I'll bet that's a useful skill, and I wish I could do it better. I tend to be the square peg in the round hole. I'm glad I came back and saw your edit too, that is an interesting evolution in your life. Or should I say a 'dying and resurrection?' I'm starting to understand it means the same thing. You die as who you are so you can be reborn as who you need to be in the next phase of your life. |
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To veer back somewhat onto topic, I had what seemed like an OBE once. I'm not sure if it really qualifies, but I'll describe it. I found myself floating up near the ceiling over my bed and saw my body lying there sleeping, and I just knew I could fly right out through the wall if I wanted to. And I did. Just drifted right through it like a ghost, and I felt like I was a ghost, in fact I started getting a sort of wicked desire to be mischievous. Outside it was dark and 2 black dogs ran up out of the woods and were waiting for me. They were slim and had pointed ears like German Shepherds or Dobermans or something. They started running toward the neighbor's house and I followed, as if they were leading me there. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 03-06-2019 at 09:39 PM.
Why does your belief in afterlife have to depend on obe's? I think most people cant come to general agreement on what a obe is. A dream? A lucid dream? Visiting another dimension? Something that only happens in crisis type situation, car crash. I mean everyone's free to believe what they want but couldn't you rely on anything else to strengthen your beliefs or even investigate other strange things, unexplained phenomena? |
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Quoting myself from a little ways up. (And I got a notification, which confused me for a second lol!) |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 03-09-2019 at 12:17 PM.
OBEs haven't really changed my views about the afterlife, but my beliefs about the an afterlife are just about impossible to put accurately into words, because my myriad experiences in various altered states of consciousness have ultimately led me to experience things that involve concepts whose fundamental nature exceeds human comprehension. I'd have to say my psychedelic and dissociative hallucinogenic experiences have greater influence on my beliefs about an afterlife than OBEs. |
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Last edited by snoop; 03-17-2019 at 08:13 AM.
I think that having OBEs and Astral Projection experiences (I distinguish the two) have contributed to my sense that there's more to life than what I understand. I consider my experience of being in my body in a particular location to be an accurate hallucination. The fact that I can hallucinate something else instead doesn't tell me very much about what's real, beyond highlighting the role that imagination plays in my mental simulation of myself in my environment. |
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Last edited by luffy28; 03-26-2019 at 11:41 PM.
I dont think with me personally (my rare obe experiences were probably just dreams) however people have reported strange (paranormal related) dreams for thousands of years. Can i prove anything? I doubt it would be easy but if someone wants to explore possibility of afterlife (dabble in evp, automatic writing, ect) thats there business. If they're very persistent about going down that rabbit hole, i believe anything could happen (just my personal opinion). Anyway, everyone's different, i suppose it depends on your beliefs. |
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Last edited by PrisonPlanet; 03-27-2019 at 11:09 PM.
I agree that astral projection and out of body dream experiences are lucid dreams. But that doesn't mean that there isn't something else 'real' going on that's inspiring the dream. What I'm calling OBE is basically just a lucid dream set in my bedroom where I've projected my first person visual perspective to some third person vantagepoint. The astral projection is more tactile, as if my whole network of nerves are being physically separated from my body. I found it to be disturbing, and a bit scary. The tactile experience was accompanied by what seemed like being able to see and hear things that I can't usually see and hear, ghost-like presences that I would normally feel but not sense any other way. |
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I wrote a paper on obe's in college. (i really dont know much about subject) My professor gave a b grade (i was happy) said because he didnt have slightest idea what i was talking about or specifically what experience is. Anyway just wanted to add my perception growing up was there's always a silver cord attached to you. If you dont see that cord..all bets are off! |
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Last edited by PrisonPlanet; 03-28-2019 at 11:34 PM.
I strongly suspect that the silver cord thing is utter BS. Blavatsky made it up, or more likely plagiarized it from somewhere else, then other people keep repeating it since then. |
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I believe that if people are in a dream, believing they are "out of body", then they may see a silver chord, because they expect there to be one. That could confound the issue. |
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So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?
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