Thread: Astral Projections ARE REAL (explanation inside)

Originally posted by Korittke
\"You know it's real, you just don't want to believe it. \"
You don't seem to know that there's a difference between believing and knowing. If I it's real I wouldn't have to believe. Good job on analysing my psyche.

\"I've heard the U.S. army has actually tried astral projection and remote viewing to spy on their enemies. \"
And found that it didnt work. Besides that's just an urban myth used by people who have no real arguments at hand.

\"There's a difference. I've said it before and I need hardly repeat again. \"
It's funny how you didn't reply to my argument against that difference and instead just repeated what you said previously.

If you don't want to look like a 13-year old girl talking jibberish in science class, reply to arguments with arguments, instead of repeating how you feel and what you believe.

- Believing A does NOT make A true.
- Trying A does NOT make A possible.
- Remembering A implies that the information is 1) in the brain and 2) somehow got into there.

Keep that in mind when you write your reply.[/b]

I swear, it's like playing Whack-a-Mole

From \"A Lawyer Presents a Case for the Afterlife\"


17. Remote Viewing

'The secret is out: remote viewing exists, it works, it has been tested, proven and used in intelligence for over two decades. The recent (US) government admissions concerning the use of psychic warfare are crucial, irrefutable testimony that what I have said here is the truth...'

(U.S.) Major David Morehouse

'She went into a trance. And while she was in the trance, she gave us some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point, and the lost plane was there.'

Former President Jimmy Carter,
recalling a 1978 remote-viewing operation (Schnabel 1997: cover).

The psychic researcher Ingo Swan coined the term 'remote viewing' as a neutral scientific term to describe a process by which a viewer perceives information about a distant location using something other than the known five senses. Initially it referred only to situations in which a very disciplined research protocol was used by the US Military but gradually the term has come into general use as the ability to perceive hidden or remote information by psychic means.

Remote viewing different to OBEs

Puthoff and Targ wrote in their classic paper 'A Perceptual Channel for Information over Kilometer Distances' (1976) that they were choosing the term 'remote viewing' as a neutral term free from prior associations and bias as to mechanisms contained in terms such as autoscopy (medical literature) exteriorisation or dissociation (psychological literature) clairvoyance or out of body experience (parpsychology) or astral projection (occult literature). Other investigators prefer the neutral term ‘anomalous cognition’.

There is however still some overlap in general usage of the terms Remote Viewing and Out Of Body Experiences. Researchers who intentionally practice both claim that there is a difference between an out of body experience in which the viewer perceives only as if physically present and remote viewing where the viewer is able to clairvoyantly tune into all sorts of information about the target which would not be physically observable.

As Joseph McMoneagle puts it in his book Remote Viewing Secrets (2000) the remote viewer sits in a room and describes perceptions of a target in another location. While s/he may accurately describe that other location there is never any doubt that s/he is in the room where his or her body is located. On the other hand, in the Out of Body Experience (OBE) people actually perceive that they have travelled to that location and are present there in all ways except the presence of their physical bodies (McMoneagle 2000:176-177).

Military research into remote viewing

For more than 20 years, the United States military had a budget of seventy million dollars a year for the purpose of psychic research with special emphasis on 'remote viewing'.

Stunning as it may sound to those who are unfamiliar with psychic phenomena, these and greater things have been done and are being done to-day in the United States, Russia, China. France has kept quiet about it but they do have the population and the advanced psychic knowledge to participate in remote viewing.

In his most interesting book, Remote Viewers — The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies, (1997) Jim Schnabel cites a number of highly credible sources, including an American President, about the reality of Remote Viewing applied for military objectives. Here are some of them making some stunning statements which by now have found their place in the history of psychic phenomena:

'I never liked to get into debates with the skeptics, because if you didn't believe that remote viewing was real, you hadn't done your homework.'

Major General Edmund R Thompson, U.S. Army Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, 1977-81, Deputy Director for Management and Operations, DIA, 1982-84 (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'You can't be involved in this for any length of time and not be convinced there's something here.'

Norm J., former senior CIA official who tasked remote viewers (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'There were times when they wanted to push buttons and drop bombs on the basis of our information.'

Dr Hal Puthoff, a former manager of the remote-viewing program (Schnabel 1997: cover).

'She went into a trance. And while she was in the trance, she gave us some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point, and the lost plane was there.'

Former President Jimmy Carter, recalling a 1978 remote-viewing operation (Schnabel 1997: cover).

Stanford Research Institute in the United States was the venue where many of the original experiments were conducted. Physicist Hal Puthoff was the chief of the Remote Viewing Program there. Some of the personnel involved in this military astral projection, remote viewing program (according to Schnabel 1997) included:

• Admiral Stanfield Turner, Director of the CIA 1977-91

• Major General Ed Thompson, Assistant Chief of Staff for Army Intelligence. He had special knowledge that the Russians had advanced techniques in psychic phenomena which were used for military espionage in remote viewing and long distance telepathic hypnosis

• Sergeant Mel Riley (1978-90)

• Sergeant Lyn Buchanan, Major Ed Dames and Colonel John Alexander from U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command

• Gifted remote viewer Ingo Swann, who was Puthoff's first test OBE subject

• CIA scientist Richard Kennet who worked with Pat Price and Hal Puthoff

• Keith Harary, gifted remote viewer

• John McMahon, chief of the CIA's Office of Technical Service during 1974-76 and later the CIA's Deputy Director - he was a major supporter of remote viewing and became an investigator himself - was convinced when he himself experienced stunning psychic phenomenon

• Patrick Price highly gifted psychic, independent to but highly consistent with the remote viewing of Ingo Swann. Price through remote viewing accurately described 'details of a secret Pentagon facility in the hills of West Virginia village of Sugar Grove ...'. Among its secret functions were the interception of intercontinental telephone communications, and the control of U.S. spy satellites. Price was also deadly accurate in his remote viewing in penetrating Russian installation at Mount Narodnaya in the remote northern Ural Mountains. The CIA confirmed the accuracy of Price's remote viewing. .i). CIA;

The most comprehensive Internet site which contains links to a number of academic and scholarly journal articles and papers by leaders in the field is by Joseph McMoneagle.

Psychic Warrior

Major David A Morehouse, a highly decorated U.S. army officer, was from 1987 to 1991 assigned to several highly classified special access programs in the US Army's Intelligence Security Command and Defence Intelligence Agency. In his book Psychic Warrior — The True Story of the CIA's Paranormal Espionage Program (1996) he quotes key figures in the program as follows:

The secret is out: remote viewing exists, it works, it has been tested, proven and used in intelligence for over two decades. The recent government admissions concerning the use of psychic warfare are crucial, irrefutable testimony that what I have said here is the truth. The government of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth has admitted that it knows humans can transcend time and space to view distant persons, places, things and events, and that information thus gathered can be brought back. I hope you comprehend the significance of this information (Morehouse 1996).

Morehouse also claims that he and other remote viewers regularly had contact with beings from the afterlife See Psychic Warrior and interview.

In his paper CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing At Stanford Research Institute Dr Hal Puthoff who was program research manager sets forth details of the integrated results of the program which he claims provide unequivocal evidence of a human capacity to access events remote in both space and time.

I am amazed how this necessarily secret project was allowed to go on in the United States military for so long without strong opposition from the materialists, institutionalized religion and the fundamentalists. Clearly, the military and spy agencies decided that the objectively proven remote viewing transcended any objections based on subjective religious beliefs of the fundamentalists or the institutionalized churches.

According to a number of sources the CIA, at the request of Congress, took over the remote viewing program and stopped its funding in 1995. The official reason given for this was an unfavorable review by two scientists. However according to Joseph McMoneagle's book Mind Trek (1997) these scientists were not shown 99% of the documented results of remote viewing which were and are still classified, were forbidden to speak with any of the remote viewers or project managers and were not given any means to evaluate the operational effectiveness of the information they were shown (1997:218-229).

Remote viewing goes commercial

Several of the remote viewers formerly involved in the military program are now employing their skills for private enterprise and can be contacted at the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory (CSL) California.

Ed Dames, a former military remote viewer and now president of his own commercial remote viewing company which gets contracts from the intelligence services boasts that his clients do not have to pay a cent if the results are not accurate. He states that his company successfully undertook remote viewing operations for intelligence agencies during the Gulf War. Ed Dames states, among other things, \"When some army general asks, where are the enemies coming from, I have to give deadly accurate information.\" (Dames 2000)

Since remote viewing has come out into the open it appears to be proving its effectiveness in the marketplace – at the time of writing (2001) the Internet search engine Google returned are over 610,000 entries for remote viewing.

A military threat?

Realistically, nobody really knows who is more advanced in remote viewing than whom. For example, according to Tim Rifat (1999) The Russian and Chinese military and intelligence agencies are also known to be heavily involved.

Ingo Swann, for many years at the forefront of remote viewing research claims that the Russians have on-sold their research knowledge to other countries:

Several quite respectable sources have informed me that two major nations are making advances in psychoenergetics applications, one of which is remote viewing. It is also being alleged that a third smaller nation, with well known and advertised hatred of the American Way of Life, is also making progress. I believe those sources, because I know that liberated Russia sold for big bucks the Soviet psychic secrets three times over in order to acquire needed foreign exchange monies. See Statement by Ingo Swann on Remote Viewing 1 December 1995.

That the Soviets were advanced in these areas was set out in Martin Ebon’s Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion? (1983). Swann claims that \"Between 1969 and 1971 American intelligence sources began discovering and confirming that the Soviet Union was deeply engaged in so-called psychic research. By 1970, it was discovered that the Soviets were spending approximately 60 million rubles per year on it, and over 300 million by 1975.\" (Swann 1995) It was to counter this program, he argues, that the American Remote Viewing Program was set up.

China's Psychic Powers - Remote viewers and superpsychics

Anyone who knows anything about psychic matters would be more than impressed by what the Chinese have achieved. But the Chinese government has allowed only limited information to go out to the world about the true power of China's superpsychics.

I restate, that no one really knows how advanced the leading countries are in remote viewing. It would be only logical to make all advanced remote viewing highly classified material.

However the limited information available is more than sufficient to realize that China is possibly more advanced psychically than the United States or Russia or any other country in national security matters and that fact may be cause for alarm. One has to remember that the government of China finances psychic phenomena ¾ and treats their gifted psychics as 'national treasures'. It also sponsors an active program to recruit gifted psychics. This starts from programs in primary schools which select and train those who show psychic gifts. Because of China's huge population, it is reasonable to expect higher numbers of psychics than anywhere else in the world.

The Chinese are claiming that they have superpsychics like Zhang Baosheng who reportedly can accelerate the molecular structure of their body to penetrate at will solid objects - such as brick walls. They also claim they have highly gifted remote viewers. This means that the Chinese are certain to have highly gifted psychics who can read documents locked away in a solid safe (Dong and Raffill 1997). See book review China’s Super Psychics.

Paul Dong and Thomas E Raffill in their book, China's Super Psychics, state

China's vast population, encouraged by a government that assiduously promotes psychic research, has developed an unusually high percentage of practitioners with psychic abilities. It is estimated that China now has five thousand psychic children, three to five-hundred psychic adults, and more than thirty super psychics.

For those closed-minded skeptics who want to keep psychic phenomena out of the security agenda the inevitable result is to leave the West behind in security matters - which could result in devastating circumstances. Is the West willing to take the chance of such an omission?

With absolute certainty, where there is advanced psychic phenomena, you will find evidence for the afterlife - the two are inevitably connected.[/b]

Korittke wrote:
\"I've heard the U.S. army has actually tried astral projection and remote viewing to spy on their enemies. \"
And found that it didnt work. Besides that's just an urban myth used by people who have no real arguments at hand.[/b]

Really? Who told you that?
Hope you have good sources because the credibility of your entire arguement (not to mention or own ego and logic) is in question. And even doing something as crude as going to google typing in "astral projection" in quotations and then "does not exist" in quotions, you may Still have a hell of a time finding credible sources that state what you have been spewing as Fact.

Good luck.