Thread: Use of LD in Hermetic Magic

Originally posted by elcorazon33
i have used both lucid and hypnogogic states to charge and fire sigils. other than that i have not been able to attain a state of lucidity wherein i can do much else except explore the space.

Did you construct the sigils before going to sleep and then just remember what it looked like when you went lucid? And how did you fire it? I wondered if just looking at it while lucid would do the job.

I used the Alphabet of Nug-Soth (from the Necronomicon) to construct a ''charm''.

It actually helped me LD, I think. Either that or i'm just extremely susceptible to WBTB

It might not be Hermetic Magic, but it IS magic.

btw.: according to the WIKI, Hermeticism has a lot of different roots (and is by some debated about it's true meaning).

So what is ''Hermeticism'' According to YOU?

Originally posted by &#091;Alpha+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(&#091;Alpha)</div>

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It might not be Hermetic Magic, but it IS magic.[/b]

I consider it so. Someone may have just invented the story about the Necronomicon, but the author of it based it on the magic of Goetia, a classic source of Hermetic magic. I know of lots of people who have successfully used the Necronomicon.

Originally posted by &#091;Alpha@
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btw.: according to the WIKI, Hermeticism has a lot of different roots (and is by some debated about it's true meaning).

So what is ''Hermeticism'' According to YOU?

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The Hermetic tradition has mythical origins in Egypt. *I see it as basically a mystical tradition of Europe, sort of like yoga for India. *It actually combines multiple traditions, including ritual practices from ancient Egypt (supposedly) and Greece, early Islamic and then European alchemy, Christian Gnosticism, and Jewish Qabalah. *Yes, Crowley belonged to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, a hugely important Hermetic group of the late 19th century. *He later co-founded the AA, another Hermetic group.

The modern synthesis of Hermeticism probably begins in the 17th century with the development of the Masonic and Rosicrucian traditions, or maybe about 100 hundred years before that with famous scientist/magicians like Cornelius Agrippa and John Dee. *But the European alchemical and magical traditions that form an important part of it go back probably another 1000 years before that.

Well about the necronomicon, the ''entities'' discussed in there show similarities (not similarities, they ARE the same) as those in other ''dark magick'' books.

Eg.: Nyarlothep is also called Nyarlothetep in other magick books, both talk about these entities having multiple ''lesser's'' etc. etc.

Books that show similarities:
- The Rlyeh Text
- The Necronomicon |=== All talk about the same entities.
- Grimorium Imperium /
Other books I have do not show similarities

ANYWAY, if it IS a ''form'' of hermeticism, I guess my experiences with it are successful use of multiple spells.

There's a spell in it which supposedly helps you creating ''the ring of hypnos'' to be capable to wander through the realm of dreams. (In the necronomicon that is).

It might be interesting to try it out and see what happens

the necronomicon is just a creature of lovecraft's mind, but still lovecraft wasn't at all the last vegetable-seller walking on the street! 8)

Lovecraft's stories holds many interesting things for both those wanting to work with magic and for lucid dreamers..You just have to seek..Dreams play an important part throughout all his tales & was an inspiration for him to write them at all.

And on top of that reading his dreamlands stories will probably inspire most people to try to get lucid..Many people think he based the master dreamer character Randolf Carter on himself.


Btw..doing Goetia evocations while Lucid Dreaming is one use I forgot to mention..


Hail Azathoth & Yog-Sothoth & The sleeping Ones beneath..

Originally posted by &#091;Alpha
-0mega-]Books that show similarities:
- The Rlyeh Text * * * *
- The Necronomicon * *|=== All talk about the same entities.
- Grimorium Imperium /
Other books I have do not show similarities

I believe the other two also have 20th century origins in Lovecraft's work, which explains why they talk about the same critters.

Originally posted by Wyzard
Btw..doing Goetia evocations while Lucid Dreaming is one use I forgot to mention..

You have successfully done this? Did you do the whole thing or just an abreviated version of a ritual? Any issues with control, remember everything necessary for it, etc?

Gargh, do not speak of ye old ones. lol. (Somehow I've known about them before I ever held the necronomicon =_=, well I didn't knew their real names, but I already ''somehow'' thought of an universe with).

To keep a long story short, once when I was small, out of NOTHING (no provoking events or ANYTHING at all) I created an imaginative world about "The Ancient Entities" (Ye old ones?) which existed before existence itself (as good as similiar as well ), and them having powers to do anything possible and impossible (in the end, they do).
Kinda funny when I found that out.

Anyway, if you guys want i'll post all the ''magick'' books I have (links that is). As err.. easier than looking for them yourselves?

Originally posted by sasha


You have successfully done this? *Did you do the whole thing or just an abreviated version of a ritual? *Any issues with control, remember everything necessary for it, etc?

Well yes..but I prefer shorter customized versions both awake and dreaming..It's not as hard as ppl think to evoke. Maybe the reson I can do this is that I've done it by mental projection awake many times before trying it in a LD so I sort of know it by heart.

Originally posted by &#091;Alpha
-0mega-]I used the Alphabet of Nug-Soth (from the Necronomicon) to construct a ''charm''.

It might not be Hermetic Magic, but it IS magic.

I'd also say it is magick, even though Lovecraft never wrote out the Necronomicon, but only a description of it, and the currently published version is basically a grafting of the mythos onto mimicked grimoires. I'd also say a similar process is at work with the writings of Borges to a lesser extent.

But most people have no problem with world religions being based on the belief in a man receiving a special text either in whole or in dictation from some entity who is effectively infalible by human standards. Well what if instead of receiving a physical text, you were only allowed to see it and perhaps flip through a few pages? And what if whatever state of mind or dreaming you used to be able to see the text, also brought you to otherworldly locations and into contact with inexplicable entities? And what if instead of channeling your inspiring experiences into the creation of a new religion, you disguised your accounts as works of fiction to minimal success as an author?
Stranger things have happened.
Believe it or not!
:)

Originally posted by archae93

[Alpha]-0mega- wrote:
I used the Alphabet of Nug-Soth (from the Necronomicon) to construct a ''charm''.

It might not be Hermetic Magic, but it IS magic.

I'd also say it is magick, even though Lovecraft never wrote out the Necronomicon, but only a description of it, and the currently published version is basically a grafting of the mythos onto mimicked grimoires. I'd also say a similar process is at work with the writings of Borges to a lesser extent.




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mmmh
sounds like Chaos magick - in which belief doensn't even have to be true...
but really A-O... even if "fictional", the ancient ones are better left resting in peace. talk for personal experience
( being me alive means they're only in people's mind, but it's still enough to bring trouble )