Odd experience with a demon, what's your take on it?

[Invader]

There was a night when I woke up from a dream and layed eyes on the room I was sleeping in, but alas something was different about it.. There was another pressence there, a man standing before me... Or rather, it wasn't a man because he did not have the head of one. He was garbed in black robes and held a gnarled wooden staff. His hands weren't even connected to his body, they just floated beyond the ends of his empty sleeves. He gazed upon me from eyeless pits in his skull, and it was the skull of a camel. And I reckognized him... It was an akward experience, I didn't move a muscle as I stared back at him. I blinked and he then seemed to be shrouded in grey flames. After that, I believe I must have fallen right back into another sleep. I can say though for a fact that I was awake. I was experiencing full consciousness, I could literally say that "this is real". You know you can all tell the difference between a dream and the real world when you become lucide and regain consciousness. Well, to continue, the oddity to my experience is that I have a book, the Goetia, otherwise known as the Lesser Key of Solomon the King. It gives names and descriptions of the spirits that Solomon was believed to invoke during the days of his life, and one in particular goes by the name of Uvall (Vuval and Vual are variants of his name), and takes the form of a camel. Of course, camels walk on four legs, but this apparition stood upright, and was skinless since his bones were showing. I can only remember some ambient noise, like static, during the experience. He said nothing to me, just watched. And that is all I have to give about that matter. If you have had a similar waking experience or wish to discuss it, please do. I'm interrested in what you have to say about it.

[theyearthreethousand]

I have no similar experiences to share you with you, although - I think it would be great if you could draw the demon you saw. That is, if you are interested in drawing. I'm not trying to force you or anything, just an idea. That's what I plan to do if I come across something interesting in my dreams. Hopefully I do!

[Yatahaze]

It's called sleep paralysis. I hope you feel enlightened (brought to the modern age). Breaking news: There are no demons. [edited by Burns]

[oxymoron5k]

your not the only one..... one time when i was about 13 i was staying at a friends house playing video games all night. it was around 8 to 11 when i decided i needed to go to the bathroom. once i left i turned around for something and i found myself staring at a 6-7 foot tall demen/ghost/alien thing. it was a skeleton or some type of exosckeleton that gave off a reddish glow. the bones (or whatever they were) gave off a bronze glow. it looked relative to a human shapewise but the head looked different. it had a rounded top half but then curved down to a thin jaw line...(kind of relative to the hollywood alien head) but keep in mind it was some type of skeleton or something. the strangest part was when it decided it was done starting at me it morphed or shrunk into a cat and ran under the table and dissapeared. your not the only one..... one time when i was about 13 i was staying at a friends house playing video games all night. it was around 8 to 11 when i decided i needed to go to the bathroom. once i left i turned around for something and i found myself staring at a 6-7 foot tall demen/ghost/alien thing. it was a skeleton or some type of exoskeleton that gave off a reddish glow. the bones (or whatever they were) gave off a bronze glow. it looked relative to a human shapewise but the head looked different. it had a rounded top half but then curved down to a thin jaw line...(kind of relative to the hollywood alien head) but keep in mind it was some type of skeleton or something. the strangest part was when it decided it was done starting at me it morphed or shrunk into a cat and ran under the table and dissapeared. this all happend within 10 seconds and is very strange...ive looked up on it and have found nothing..it looked scary as hell but didnt seemed like it wanted to hurt me. skeptics ..i give permission to eat me alive on this one because id like to hear some viewpoints from the other side of the spectrum.. sorry about the missprint ^^^^

[Sekhmet]

Sounds like a text book case of sleep paralysis. From link above: ... Sleep paralysis is a condition in which someone, most often lying in a supine (face up) position, about to drop off to sleep, or just upon awaking from sleep realizes that s/he is unable to move, or speak, or cry out. This may last a few seconds or several moments, occasionally longer. People frequently report feeling a 'presence' that is often described as malevolent, threatening, or evil. An intense sense of dread and terror is very common. The presence is likely to be vaguely felt or sensed just out of sight but thought to be watching or monitoring, often with intense interest, sometimes standing by, or sitting on the bed. On some occasions, the presence may attack, strangling and exerting crushing pressure on the chest. ...

[Invader]

It could not have been SP for a few reasons... 1- I never tried to move and felt no constraints. 2- I felt no pressure at all. 3- There was nothing that felt evil about the encounter. I just saw him there, plain as day. I was also lying on my side, not on my back as in your description.. And Yatahaze, thank you for jumping to conclusions without reason. You cannot say for a fact that demons do not exist, just as I cannot say for fact that they do. But hey, we're all aloud to express our opinions. And -theyearthreethousand, I did make a picture of it a long while back, the day after I had experienced it. Of course, I was still somewhat of a newbie with photoshop and did the best I could conjure up. Here's the link: A drawing of Uval. That's as close as I could get to a cammel skull... Looks like a crappy rendition of an antelope really.

[Ethan_Sanchez]

Hey invader_tech Here’s the thing…I feel I can back up your story in many ways however, there is one element to my story that may very well strip all credibility away from it. I lay it out for you anyway. I’m new here and my first post slightly covers this but takes more of a turn towards a different point, this is in reply to your dream and I see a few too many similarities to ignore. A few weeks ago at a close friends birthday I too some ecstasy, this is important to bring up first so it can remain in the back of our minds this whole time and not be forgotten. At the end of the weekend…I went to bed and woke up just in time to see the clock strike 3:00am the relevance of which is traditionally 3:00am is supposed to be the witching hour and not midnight but pop culture has changed this so. I sat upright and looked around feeling a bit odd or confused, I knew I was supposed to wake up for work but didn’t see any daylight and wasn’t sure what was going on for a second. Once I caught on I rolled back over and went to bed…this is where it gets interesting (note that by this stage I haven’t begun research into lucid dreams, sleep paralysis or Obe’s) The next thing to do I suppose is to go straight into the dream or the memory of it which, now after a few weeks, is tainted slightly by thoughts that I may have changed my memory of it by trying to recall it so long after it has been. Anyway it is as follows… There I was (3rd person) standing in a black room or space or void…standing but with no memory of floor or walls, everything seemed to go on forever in each direction yet I could still feel the presence of my bedroom as if the boundaries of my room were still existent but not present or relevant at the same time, just more a feeling than anything else. There was a figure or demon standing a few feet in front of me…hanging out, huge and staring straight at me, through his big empty COW skull eyes. I say cow eyes there because after recollection of this dream the research began and cow skull fits the bill the most, cow or horse or some other but I don’t remember if it had horns or not. It was much larger in size than me like comparing a building and me or something; it said nothing or did nothing and was not threatening or scary in any of those senses (but it gets better and more similar to yours) There was another presence but it was never seen, but it was heard. It was trying to give me a msg but it was not English and I don’t know the language…had what I would call an Elvish/Hebrew kind of thing and slight sound of intensity to it or urgency. I know that the other presence (lets call it the voice from now on) was really, really trying to tell me something BUT…the figure, while never threatening me physically or saying anything to me ever, was advancing or moving closer to me every time that I tried to hear or concentrate on the voice. Not moving though as much as floating I guess…it would be getting closer as if my bill rather than any type of movement. I’m almost convinced the figure was there only to prevent or distract me from the message as the only time it would do anything would be when I’d try to understand the voice and I can not remember a thing about the voice beyond what I’ve already said however, much more is remembered of the figure. Different from you though, I distinctly remember him having skin but it was not visible more translucent but still covering his skull face but without any noticeable features just occasionally I recall seeing the slightest sheen coming off his face near the nose or the forehead and I just do recall him having skin even though I couldn’t see it specifically. Other differences are it was shrouded in a robe but I could see he had human shape even though he was covered in this robe. The robe did expose his ‘human’ neck, which wasn’t transluecent at all and I remember it looking very ‘comic booky’, very, broad, muscular and a very pink/tan flesh colour that I would recall in comics. It was a Red and white robe and it was covered in symbols around its edging but this is one point I’m not too confident on…it feels like a detail I added when trying to recall more of the experience. Flames and a red mist were surrounding his base but they had a translucency to them also, as if they were fading away or something but with no progression…just faded and pauses at a certain point so as to remain half visible although they did make me feel like they were the ‘doorway’ or ‘trap door’ to which he gained access to this ‘space’ we were in. That’s pretty much it. I kept my distance from the figure and I seemed to always try to keep the same distance between us so whenever he advanced I was moving back so he never did get any closer. I have nothing else on the voice except it seemed very, very important and it really wanted to talk to me or to tell me something. When I awoke I was late for work and did not recall the dream at all due to my lateness overwhelming me but at around lunchtime it all came flooding back and has consumed me slightly ever since. My first issue is I truly remember seeing the figure somewhere before and really want to know why so I can see if I remember it because of the dream or if I manifested it from someplace deep and buried in my mind. Second I really, need to know what the message was and that is partly why I began this research…only partly. After all that being said however, remember that there was drugs leaving my system…it wasn’t the first time I had, had ecstasy so I don’t want posts just saying “it was all the drugs”, cos yes thank you I have thought that already and I agree to the statements validity but their hasn’t been a dream like that on any of my previous experiences but there has been very occasional dreams like that in my past. Since there is so much unknown about the brain and more importantly, the mind, I’m tempted to believe that whilst a chemical imbalance was occurring in my mind, it helped to create in me a state allowing for more of a lucid state, mid you that all my lucid experiences in the past have resulted in my waking immediately following my recognition of the fact that I’m dreaming. Ok I should stop or this will just go on and on, one last thing though…I’ve added some sketches here but if you could refer to your book and perhaps help me discover who the figure was…that king Solomon book you mentioned…I’ve been looking everywhere but all I can uncover is stuff that would make Goth’s happy…nothing serious about demons and their names and what they look like. Thanks for your post though, I wasn’t going to bring that up as I figured it was a bit crazy for all of you guys since lucidity is the main point here but it was pretty much the same experience in many ways. Ok I’m done for now…I’ll add some (photoshop)sketches to set the scene as I remember it Bye for now Astro1000000 A.k.a Ethan_sanchez [attachmentid=26]

[Invader]

Thank you for your reply, Mr. Sanchez, I appreciate it. And your encounter does sound interresting, to say the least. In my experience, the figure had not advanced towards me, nor did I hear any sort of language, so there's a big thing to point out. Unfortunately I cannot help you with the reckognition of the being you saw, since this book I possess only shows one creature that takes on the semblance of a cow (cammel in this case, really). The others are differentiations of birds, people, etc. But your sure this was a dream? Another of the differences between our cases is that I never felt as if I was in a dream. I had woken up... Well, whatever it points towards, I hope you recieve some enlightenment on your matter as well. The drugs could have had something to do with it, yes, but again we can never be certain.

[xcrissxcrossx]

i believe you were in sleep paralisis. because even though you never tried to move and felt no constraints, because sometimes people want to move but cant, it isnt a fact of pressure in some cases. sometimes people feel as if they can move, they just dont have enough will power while in sleep paralisis.

[Original Poster]

Indeed, or they just feel no need to move at all. Sleep paralisys varies greatly, the only thing common about is a. You don't move, and b. your brain waves are still as they would be while asleep, consequently you will most likely see hallucinations, but since you eyes are open, you will see hallucinations in the place where you are asleep, your room in most cases My friend had a problem, he thought there was this phantom taratula in his room because he'd wake up and see it crawling on him. I tried to explain it was sleep paralysis, and he gave the exact same response you did, he was sure it was real, that he was awake, etcetera.

[King and God]

From what I have read, I do think it sounds like a sleep paralysis, where you are half-awake and half-asleep, altough you claimed it was not. There is a possibility it was real, but I think the demon was created by your mind. If you were awake after all, I think it was just a hallucination.

[Invader]

True, it very well could have been, although the common symptoms of it were not present. In any case I thank you for your responses and information.

[oxymoron5k]

well i skimmed the replys from my post and the only problem with the sp is i wasnt sleeping at all...i wasnt tired...and i wasnt planning on sleeping any time soon.

[Original Poster]

I thought you said you were had just woken up and were in the middle of recalling your dream when it happened to you? Maybe I misread something but both of those look like text book cases of SP.

[oxymoron5k]

nope... i had just went to the bathroom.. my "identity" i seen alos seemed like it was trying to give off some type of message or show me something. it didnt seem like it wanted to harm me in anyway.. if the picture came up ^^^ that was the head of the "identity" i seen instead with red eyes