Thread: Tk

Although I've experienced certain things which are very very very hard to explain away using science - I remain unconvinced about TK. Open-minded - but as yet unconvinced.

I try it regularly - whilst in diverse states of mind... and nothing!
I study and practice many of the right kinds of tradition - still nothing.
Am disappointed every time
Now its more like a reality check.

If it is possible why hasnt the Randi $1m been claimed?
I'm tempted to think its because if someone could could do TK, they would either:
a) be able to make more money as a self-employed safe-breaker,
or
b) be 'discovered' by Randi - who is actually a CIA recruiter - and then get paid 10's of millions by the Govt. as a safebreaker.

Also agree about the Buddhist thing - but actually I'm surprised that many other spiritual traditions don't go into it. Plenty of other stuff that is difficult to explain - like certain kinds of healing - but not much on innanimate matter. i.e. much can be explained as placebo, suggestion, hypnosis etc.

Similarly I would love to dream share and astral project, and bring things back out of dreams. But I haven't yet! And I've yet to see proof from others that didnt have a more likely, and simpler scientific explanation.

Can't think of any websites off the top of my head. How about going and finding a teacher first hand? There's bound to be someone deep in the Himalays, or the rainforests of Africa, or the valleys of Mexico... If I was really serious, I'd set of to North East India or Southern China/Tibet. Tantra or Taoism seem to have common references to what we would call 'magik'. Even Britain has a strong magical heritage, with thousands of modern practitioners drawing on generations of Celtic shamanism, and merging with the best of Egyptian and Kabbalistic occult knowledge.
Surely there's some hippy geezer, or a Theosophical Siciety old girl who can TK?

Hope so... just haven't met one yet and it seems highly unlikely that I ever will.

I still believe in miracles...

Good luck

www.psipog.net is a good site about this.

About the psiwheel: it isn't heat if you don't use your hands.
psipog is probably the best resource available.

I'm very much against using a pinwheel, at least longer than you need to.
I've tested it myself and I'm convinced that many, if not most, pinwheel TKers are fooling themselves.

slimslowslider - If you had to try lifting 300kg's every now and again in varying states of mind, would you assume it to be impossible after you repeatedly fail? Especially when you're pretty sure you can't do it anyway?

As for Randi, that would be because most TKers struggle to budge a balanced piece of paper. At that scale, Randi would have a field day explaining it through all sorts of factors that are near impossible to rule out of the environment.

A couple of sites and a few old documents I've come across, over the past few months.

http://www.aspr.com/
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
http://www.deanradin.com/default_original.html

Does Psi Exist and Can We Prove It? Belief and Disbelief in Psychokinesis Research:

A Compendium of the Evidence for Psi:

Evidence for Consciousness-Related Anomalies in Random Physical Systems:

Chapter 9 – Psychokinesis:

Distant Intentionality and Healing: Assessing the Evidence:

Let me know if you find these of any interest. I've got a more of them than I've even had enough time to read all the way through. They are all from the best sources I could find, at the time, so I'd say they are worth considering.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

A couple of sites and a few old documents I've come across, over the past few months.

http://www.aspr.com/
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
http://www.deanradin.com/default_original.html

Does Psi Exist and Can We Prove It? Belief and Disbelief in Psychokinesis Research:

A Compendium of the Evidence for Psi:

Evidence for Consciousness-Related Anomalies in Random Physical Systems:

Chapter 9 – Psychokinesis:

Distant Intentionality and Healing: Assessing the Evidence:
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Have you read them all? Is there any you'd recommend personally?

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Have you read them all? Is there any you'd recommend personally?
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A Compendium of the Evidence for Psi is good. And if I remember correctly, the one before it is good too. I've read them all, months ago, but it was at a period where I'd read so many of these types of docs, in succession, it's hard for me to remember which ones were which. Heh.

I just realized that two (I think) of those links aren't working. I'm at work now, but I'll put some others up in their place, when I have the time.

Thanks!
You read very quickly, don't you Oneironaut?

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Thanks!
You read very quickly, don't you Oneironaut?
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Haha. Yeah, but reading isn't the problem - it's remembering the things I've read, 20 minutes after I'm finished. (@_@)!
Lol.

Originally Posted by Placebo

slimslowslider - If you had to try lifting 300kg's every now and again in varying states of mind, would you assume it to be impossible after you repeatedly fail? Especially when you're pretty sure you can't do it anyway?
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I don't assume its impossible. I also don't assume TK is like lifting weights - I've tried it on dust motes!!! Anyway, as I said - I've done lots of exercise, so if it is like weights I would have expected some success. Perhaps its more like rolling your tongue - you can either do it or you cant?

Good list Oneironaut - I'll check it.

this is an off-campus program offered from the Monroe Institute.

Costs like 700 USD... But you can bend spoons and influence traffic lights!

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/progr...?program_id=23

I'm very skeptical of pay-for programs that teach you to do stuff like that - it's just too controversial to go selling it blatantly like that.

slim - yeah, we don't know if it *is* like lifting weights or not, but my point is that it takes most TKers quite a while to manage to do anything at all. Which is precisely why I lost some interest. It's just a thankless, difficult, impractical thing.
And size & weight doesn't seem to be the major factor. At least not at first. Otherwise, yeah, dustmotes would be great.

PS - nice sig.