Question for Everyone who has........

[robroy]

Hello: My name is Rob and I am new here. I have a question for anyone having had Lucid Dream type out of body experiences. Several years back before I heard about Lucid Dreaming I had experimented with OBE's. I experimented with different ways of inducing them. I had some successful experiences. At somepoint in my journey I discovered S.LaBerges books on Lucid Dreaming and noticed the point by point similarities between LD's and my OBE's. By logical extension it appeared to me that LD's and my OBE's were one and the same. However, what I did not find were people saying that they had ever experrienced anything physically painful in their LD/OBE. My experience is as follows: I am in my room attempting to induce an OBE. I go through my procedure of visuallizing a long rope that extends into infifnit space. I grab the rope and begin pulling myself upward. I try to FEEL myself seperate as I pull upward. I do this for several minutes perhaps twenty minutes to half an hour. It takes a great deal of energy to focus and hold my attention. Suddenly I am aware of myself laying in a fetal position and vibrating. The energy pulsations are intense. I FEEL myself roll out of my body and my feet touch the floor. SO far so good! But I can't move away from my body. I can see it laying there on the bed but it is like viewing it looking out the corner of my eyes. I can't seem to turn my head for a head on visual. This is odd. As I try to see myself and move away I feel an intense pain in the center of my head. I just can't move away and explore the suroundings. I end the OBE. My question is actually two rolled into one. Have any of you ever experienced viewing yourself "OBE" in this way, out the corner of your eyes? And have you ever experienced pain in the very center of your head? This has only happened twice in my many years of experience. Rob

[Oneiro]

I've never experienced pain, but many times I've viewed myself out of the peripheral of my eyes. The head is always the last thing that detaches. See the thread "Start of an OBE" for more info.

[robroy]

Tell me more about your experiences. You can send me a private email here. I am very curious about how you induce them. How often do you have them? Rob

[Oneiro]

No need for private mail, robroy. It's not that I exactly induce them, but they always happen if I take a nap in the afternoon during daylight. I used to get up at 6 am for work, and when I came home at around 4.30 pm, I would feel tired, and would lay down for 40 winks. It turned out to be a sure-fire way to induce an OBE. I've had several hundred now, over the years, but the incidence of them occurring during night time sleep can be counted on the fingers of one hand.. but if I sleep during the day, BANG! It was during one of the first ones that I realised that I could see my physical forehead and eyebrows from a distance of a few inches. I realised that my "ghost head" had popped out a few inches from my physical one, and that I could use my "ghost eyes" to look around both at myself, and at the surroundings. The visual quality is stunning.. can be crystal-clear. I've just remembered an LD session where I was shown how to induce them by two DCs. I found myself in-Dreaming and got lucid. On my left were my two young "nephews" who had appeared before in a couple of LDs. One of them said: "Go on then.. do the jump!" I didn't have a clue what they were talking about, and then the other one said:"Go on.. JUMP!" So.. I jumped up in the air on the spot, went up about 10 feet, and then slowly floated back down to the ground. I tried it again, and the second time I did it, I stopped in mid-air, and then BANG! I found myself lying on the couch in my living room, with my "ghost body" half-in, half-out of my physical body. I had gone straight from an LD to an OBE. I've tried it again, but it doesn't always work, because sometimes I lose my lucidity and forget I am dreaming, but sometimes I remember to try it and it works.. but.. the surefire way for me to induce one is just to sleep in the afternoon during daylight.

[robroy]

Very interesting. According tho the literature on Lucid Dreaming, LD's usually DO happen during short naps. There is an interesting book called Mind Trek by Joe McMoneagle. The book is actually about remote viewing, but Joe, actually did a spot on remote viewing target in a Lucid Dream state. It's worth getting the book from the Library just to read about the experiment. It just shows that PSI ( psychic experience ) can happen in the Lucid Dream state as well as in our ordinary dream states. Rob

[The Cusp]

I have on occasion felt pain in lucids. And I agree a lot of OBE descriptions I've read sound like lucids. But I don't get that feeling from yours. The problems you had moving reminds me of something I read in a Castaneda book. He had problem moving his energy body similar to yours. And that but vibrating you described sounds about right from what I've read of OBEs. Of course if that what you were expecting to happen, it's always possible you dreamt of the vibrations. Also it's very common in dreams, lucid or otherwise, to see yourseft as an observer. You have to learn to move around to know for sure.

[blade5x]

I've felt pain in sleep paralysis before having OBEs, but never while actually having one.