Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

Wow...i just saw this thread...
I didnt read the entire thing bcuz i dont have enough time...
But im gonna do like The Cusp and challenge any DreamWalker or DreamStalker to enter my dreams. I want a DreamWalker/Stalker to help me become Lucid...and i want to see what they are made of.

This thread is a little....out there to say the least. I'm fascinated at this concept of Dream Walkers/Night stalkers though. Very little proof outside one's own experiences though.

C'MON NIGHT STALKERS MAKE ME BELIEVE!!!

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

What I'm most skeptical about it the how part. Any theory that involves an electromagnetic send/receive link is most likely bullshit because
1) any emissions on the EM spectrum would be detectable as they would interfere with communications
2) even if something was being sent, it would be drowned out by all the sources of EM we have in modern life - every part of the spectrum has something on it.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that. ChaybaChayba doesn't know what he's talking about. The statement that every part of the spectrum has something on it is not quite true, but close enough. Even if the waves were on a part of the spectrum that wasn't used for communications, thus would doubtfully be detected, there is a lot of noise at every frequency.

I don't know how dreamsharing would be possible, but for the sake of the conversation, let's say that it is. Then we just have to figure out why. EM emmisions are out. I'm going to edit my first post.

I heard that dream walkers could help you become lucid in your dreams. Im asking anyone who can to help me become lucid. I really want to be able to control my dreams!

Originally Posted by ubigcow

Good point. I hadn't thought of that. ChaybaChayba doesn't know what he's talking about. The statement that every part of the spectrum has something on it is not quite true, but close enough. Even if the waves were on a part of the spectrum that wasn't used for communications, thus would doubtfully be detected, there is a lot of noise at every frequency.

I don't know how dreamsharing would be possible, but for the sake of the conversation, let's say that it is. Then we just have to figure out why. EM emmisions are out. I'm going to edit my first post.

Yeah I was thinking a combination of communications and noise, which like you say would make it very difficult to detect.

Haha thanks, I've learned long ago that Chayba has no idea what he's talking about...

I'd love to believe in dream sharing and a few people even claim to have done it, but the mechanism eludes me.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

your eyes don't resonate with lightwaves, that's bullshit.
you have two types of light-detecting cells in your eyes, rods and cones.
rods detect light intensity
cones detect colour
nothing resonates.

How do you think they 'detect' light? By resonating. Duh? How else would this process be possible?! It's like a tuning fork that resonates with sound, thats how your eyes work. If you don't know what resonating means, why do you even bother arguing about it and saying it's bullshit and impossible! LOL please. What's next, you're going to say it's bullshit that the earth is round? Just do some random googling or read whatever source that talks about the mechanics of eyes and light detection.
http://homepage.mac.com/dtrapp/essay...oOnVision.html

There are several kinds of light detectors on the back side of the eyeball. Faint light is detected by rod-shaped detectors and brighter light of various colors is detected by three types of cone-shaped detectors, each sensitive to the different range of color with sensitivities centering on blue, green, and red light. The cones must contain different organic molecules with conjugated double bonds that absorb the light that matches the resonance frequency of the electrons in the conjugated double bonds. The energy from the absorbed light briefly breaks one of the rigid double bonds, allowing the molecule (called retinal) to rotate to a new shape. The newly shaped molecule interacts with a much larger protein (named opsin), setting off a series of chemical reactions which that causes ion channel proteins imbedded in photoreceptor membrane to open and for change in polarization, This starts an electrical signal passing along the cell membrane surface of the optic nerve to the brain. The chemistry of the retinal seems well understood and the successive protein and nerve reactions fit with many other similar enzyme reactions that occur in living creatures.

If they wouldn't resonate, how the hell would you explain interaction with waves if not through resonance? You seem to know better than current science, I'm all ears to hear your theory.

Besides it's obvious science isn't advanced enough to figure out how the mechanics of dreamsharing would work. Science can't even figure out the mechanics of gravity (of course some people will claim science can, eventho this is only an example, feel free to demonstrate and go off-topic without coming up with "bending of spacetime" if you can't help yourself), so how are you gong to start and figure out the mechanics of dreamsharing?!

I think we should all realize that since we (I would guess that almost, if not, all of us) will not be able to give a proper scientific explanation for several reasons:
1) Lack of scientific knowledge
2) Half-baked assumptions on generalized "facts" that certainly are not the entire truth there is to it. (Lets face it, we've all sinned on this one...)
3) Misunderstanding of scientific knowledge
4) And science itself doesn't know (or even have a fracking clue?) yet the things we want to know.

Therefore it is almost to the point of pointlessness arguing over such things here in this thread.
Or so I think, at least.
As much as I'd like to know how it is possible, flameing is not a way to it...

ChaybaChayba, when I said you don't know what your talking about, I meant about two things:

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Light is also an EM wave, nub. Light doesn't get 'drowned' out or doesn't interfere with communications or whatever.. you're so full of it.

Light does get drowned out. Have you ever tried to see my house? Or China? Or the top of the moon? Light gets drowned out by objects in its path. All EM waves do this too, but light is of smaller wavelenth than the EM radiation used for communications. This is why such small things as, say, a freshly picked booger can stop it. Light could theoretically be the median of shared dreaming, but if it was, then you couldn't share dreams with someone you can't see. Also, people would glow when they were sharing dreams. (emitting and recieving light) What I and probably adam has a dream meant was that all frequencies that could be used for relatively long distances and could get past moderate obsticals (like sheets) are transmitted on or have noise on them.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I don't understand why you would want to try so hard and come up with completely illogical explanations to try and show it would be impossible? This is the beyond dreaming forum fyi, not the science forum. And even if it was, your 'scientific explanations' don't make any sense at all.

I do not believe that adam has a dream is trying to "come up with completely illogical explanations to try and show it would be impossible." (the sentence I took this out of doesn't make sence at all.) He is showing that that explanation is impossible. That does not mean that shared dreaming is impossible, much like proving that mach 15 ram jets are impossible doesn't prove that mach 15 jets are impossible. Our 'scientific explanations' make sense.

Just found this thread, but in short are we suggesting that people are going to sleep and either consciously or sub-consciously vandalising other people's dreams? If that we true I imagine people's dreams would be a lot more messed up, but then again, maybe the person's dream which is invaded is somewhat distorted or protected by their host's mind.

At the very least bring it nightstalkers, I am yet to have a good fight.

Cheers

Could any Dreamwalkers/Dreamstalkers that are on this thread please PM me.
I'd appreciate it.

I'm going to bed now....
Gonna try for my first lucid...
Dreamwalkers/Dreamstalkers welcome.

I'm going to continue the tradition of challenging nightwalkers. So bring it on (mooooooga!(battle cry of the random))

Also, Sanzora you have the coolest avatar. Go me!

This post turned 1yrs old bout a week ago. Happy Birthday Post!!

So the mystery of the Anti-Spider is revealed!

Waaaaaaay back, in my first every lucid dream, about three years ago, I became Spider-man, and was incredibly powerful. However, something I called "The Anti-Spider" Showed up. It was the exact opposite of Spidey's costume (Red<--->Blue, Black<--->White), shot flaming webs , and was just nearly as fast as me, along with even stronger.

Incredible fight, lasted a good ten minutes, we tangled in the air for who knows how long. Eventually, we fell of the Empire state building and I woke up... from a six foot fall. (Loft beds are dangerous!)

I know I had control of the dream, so it seems the only explanation of there being something I absolutely cannot defeat.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

This post turned 1yrs old bout a week ago. Happy Birthday Post!!

O ya, Happy Birthday Thread. Someone posted that the thread would turn 1 about one or two pages ago, but I forgot about it when I posted my first post on here. Took me like 3 days two write. (kept getting distracted: stupid life)

BTW, its a thread not a post.

I will go ahead and concede the fact dream walking of some kind MAY be possible, simply due to the fact that a) there is a lot of things about the human brain we do not understand yet and b) there is a lot in the realm of quantum physics that we cannot understand. It's always possible until disproven that the human mind is capable of emitting some kind of brain waves or energy in some form while dreaming that we are unaware of or unable to quantify at this time. However that being said, I still find such things to be a bit of a stretch, along with telepathy in any form, and even OBE's as well. Always a skeptic but always willing and enjoy being proven wrong and learning something new.

"BTW, its a thread not a post."

good point! thanks.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

How do you think they 'detect' light? By resonating. Duh? How else would this process be possible?! It's like a tuning fork that resonates with sound, thats how your eyes work. If you don't know what resonating means, why do you even bother arguing about it and saying it's bullshit and impossible! LOL please. What's next, you're going to say it's bullshit that the earth is round? Just do some random googling or read whatever source that talks about the mechanics of eyes and light detection.
http://homepage.mac.com/dtrapp/essay...oOnVision.html

If they wouldn't resonate, how the hell would you explain interaction with waves if not through resonance? You seem to know better than current science, I'm all ears to hear your theory.

Besides it's obvious science isn't advanced enough to figure out how the mechanics of dreamsharing would work. Science can't even figure out the mechanics of gravity (of course some people will claim science can, eventho this is only an example, feel free to demonstrate and go off-topic without coming up with "bending of spacetime" if you can't help yourself), so how are you gong to start and figure out the mechanics of dreamsharing?!

Chayba, you stated that your eyes resonate with incoming light. That is a load of shit. While the quoted portion of the article is correct, it says that the chemical bonds in the molecules in your eyes resonate with light of a particular wavelength. That's entirely different to your whole eye resonating. Make sure you make accurate claims and understand what I'm saying before you tell me I'm wrong.

I didn't make any claims at all about resonance within bonds. If you'd like to go into a lengthy discussion about resonance, I'm quite happy to do that.

Don't go quoting science and then saying science is bullshit. Go live in a forest with absolutely no technology if you feel that way, otherwise shut the fuck up. Do you have an explanation for gravity? Science does! It might not be a quantum mechanical one but it's perfectly fine in the classical realm. I now ask you, what is your explanation for gravity?

Dreamsharing and gravity are two different things. Science can explain a whole lot of natural phenomena so your point is completely invalid.

In conclusion: EM radiation cannot be used to explain the mechanism of dreamsharing.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

Chayba, you stated that your eyes resonate with incoming light. That is a load of shit. While the quoted portion of the article is correct, it says that the chemical bonds in the molecules in your eyes resonate with light of a particular wavelength. That's entirely different to your whole eye resonating. Make sure you make accurate claims and understand what I'm saying before you tell me I'm wrong.

LOL you actually thought THE WHOLE EYE would vibrate along with the light? You didn't think I was talking about the rods and cones? Please... I said nothing about the whole eye, I said light detection happens through resonance. I said the eye resonates with light, and you agree obviously.

You can't even explain the mechanics of gravity, but you're confident you can explain dreamsharing? And now you admit yourself that your eyes resonate with the light, what the hell dude, first you say they can't, and now you say the complete opposite and say they can. We completely agree and still you go into arguing and claiming what I say is bullshit, but you say the same fucking thing. This is ridiclous...

LOL you actually thought THE WHOLE EYE would vibrate along with the light?
No, you said:I said the eye resonates with light
According to those words, that was your belief.
Reread the part of my post you quoted for my rebuttal.
Then deal with it.

You can't even explain the mechanics of gravity, but you're confident you can explain dreamsharing?
I didn't attempt to do either of those.
Reread the part of my post that refers to EM radiation and dreamsharing.
Understand that I stated EM radiation cannot be used to explain the mechanism of dreamsharing.
Understand that I stated I wasn't making any attempt to explain the mechanism of dreamsharing.
Then deal with it.


And now you admit yourself that your eyes resonate with the light, what the hell dude, first you say they can't, and now you say the complete opposite and say they can.
No, I didn't.
Re-read my original post.
Then re-read the top secion of this post.
Then realise you are trying to twist my words.
Then realise you are failing at twisting my words.
Then deal with it.

We completely agree and still you go into arguing and claiming what I say is bullshit, but you say the same fucking thing. This is ridiclous...
Read all of my posts about EM radiation in relation to the mechanism of dreamsharing.
Realise we are not saying the same thing, I am saying one thing, then you are attacking it with complete nonsense. After this I reply with a true statement. Then you attempt to tell me my statement is wrong, and finally you try to tell me that I was saying what you originally said.
Learn to read.
Learn to understand.
Learn to admit you were wrong.
Then deal with it.

I've had several verified shared dreams, but they happened randomly, I can't do it at will. If I ever learn to enter peoples dreams I'm definitely on the night stalker side

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

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Dude, when you say the eye detects lights, you also mean the rods and the cones, and not the whole eye. Just like when I say detection happens through resonance, I don't mean the whole eye together with the eyelids and the eyebrows resonates and vibrates along with light.. lol please. I just try to keep it simple. Light detection happens through resonance. This is a fact. No point in arguing about science, science is science, you can't change it. If you want to know wether I'm "lying" or telling the truth, do some research. I know you're too lazy to do so, so I did it for you. But you still go and argue about.. what? You do realize, in order to argue, you actually need to bring up some arguments. And "no", "wrong", and "bullshit" aren't arguments.

We completely agree that light detection happens through resonance, first you said BULLSHIT, and now you say.. what? You forgot to get to the point.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

your eyes don't resonate with lightwaves, that's bullshit.
you have two types of light-detecting cells in your eyes, rods and cones.
rods detect light intensity
cones detect colour
nothing resonates.

I have no idea anymore what you claim tbh, first you say one thing, and then you go and claim the complete opposite. You have lost your point and got stuck in arguing about your ego.

hey, I didn't knew there were people who used dreamwalk ability to stalk others... I only know that I can dreamwalk (go into other peoples dreams)