If astral projection is real then it should be closely related to dreams. I say train lucid dreaming, you win either way. |
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I've have a few OBE's but they weren't that convincing, and I don't remember them well, my main point Is that I just can't seem to grasp Astral projection. I want to prove that it is real but I just can't do it |
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If astral projection is real then it should be closely related to dreams. I say train lucid dreaming, you win either way. |
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Scatterbrain is right. Your astral form is exactly the same as your dream form. they are in fact the same concept. If you train how to do a WILD, you will get closer to having an OBE. They are very closely related. I have had many OBEs of varying types. |
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That makes sense I only just day dream my way into a dream I don't use WILD. But I try to do that. |
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Astral Projection is definetally harder than lucid dreaming. It takes way longer than a couple of months to do it perfectly. I've only had one OBE, but it was fully consious, and way too convincing. I suggest trying to do it in the mourning after you've been awake for about an hour. That prevents you from falling asleep so easily =/. |
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Keep trying, it is WELL worth the effort. |
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That's not true. For some people it takes years, others it takes days. I will agree that it is quite a lot more difficult than lucid dreaming. Except it's backwards for me. But I guess that could be just because I started working on astral stuff ages ago and just started LD related stuff. |
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What's so great about AP anyway? besides the being in another plain if you actually are or just dreaming. |
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I understand where your coming from it bothers me alot to know reather something is real or not too, but the best I can do is try it out for awhile in your case it's AP and in my case it's instant wild mine might be easier to prove but still keep it up AP would be much more wortwhile to prove, I know it sucks when you don't know if it's real because you don't have near as much motivation. |
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I wanna be the very best
Like no one ever was
To lucid dream is my real test
To control them is my cause
That's often a matter of open-mindedness. There is currently no sure way to scientifically prove that it exists. The only moderate form of prove that exists is etheric/RTZ validation. The reason it's not reliable is because it's very difficult to do, unless you're a serious pro. |
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good, point how long did it take you guys to learn how to astral project. |
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It took me AGES. I thought I'd never get it. Then one day...poof! I just popped right out of my body on one of my attempts. Yes, the vibrations is the peak time to will yourself out, but you won't always feel vibrations. As a matter of fact...I never feel them anymore, and I use to get them all the time. |
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I've always had the Notion that OOBEs are WILDs that have been differently interpretted. Dreams can mimick the Waking world with rediculous convoction and credibility. And dreams are clearly not in the Material world and in a way Out of the Body. It seems to me that Dreams are "our spirits traveling to the world of spirits" and OOBEs being our spirits traveling oout of our bodies into the Physical, Material world; the same our body is in. This is off course all Methaphorical and therefor a bold Lie, but it was the best I could do to explain it. Thusfar I've always thought that OOBEs were no different from Lucid dreams accept the interpretation that one is outside the body and still in the physical world while in fact it is a very realistic dream of the physical enviroment one went asleep/practiced the OBEE in. |
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Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
among other teachers taught me
not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.
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