Thread: Hey, all you skeptics!

Originally Posted by Sandform

Someone can believe up is down or down is up, it doesn't mean its true.(up being the opposite direction of gravity, and down being the direction gravity pulls, just so you don't make some other retarded statement.)

Under the same frame of reference, the direction that you call up would be down to someone on the other side of the planet, so it's all relative. Same thing goes for space, there down would be wherever your feet are pointing I guess. :p

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Under the same frame of reference, the direction that you call up would be down to someone on the other side of the planet, so it's all relative. Same thing goes for space, there down would be wherever your feet are pointing I guess. :p

That would be why I described up and down in parenthesis as the same flow, and the opposite flow of gravity and not terms of direction...

Originally Posted by Mark75

Well that's all fine and good except for the fact that there is no absolute truth.

Well that's all fine and good except for the fact that the statement "there is no absolute truth" happens to be declaring an absolute truth...oops!

This is another one of those pseudo-philosophic statements that seems to be profound, but is otherwise just a meaningless combination of words that forms nothing but an empty paradox. Often those of questionable intelligence mistake these little tidbits with deep and enlightening truths, simply because it makes your brain go "ihfslerhf!".

In fact, the "there is no absolute truth" statement is more or less the same as the "this sentence is false" statement. It’s a self-invalidating paradox that confuses the mind by way of linguistic tom foolery. Fortunately for us, paradoxes of the "self-invalidating" sort don't require a debate because they instantaneously disprove themselves for us!

Ain’t that somethin’

Yo mark!!!! hehehe. good point

As you guys have stated, science is not all knowing. Don't you think that is holding us back. Let's just use the example of....uh.....psi. hehe. Ok, it doesn't matter what we use, let's just use that. Now, I believe it cause I have experienced it. However, science hasn't proved it, yet, so you science huggers don't believe it and thus have not used it to see its benefits. That would be an example of how science holds us back.

Discuss.

or maybe people like you are holding us back because you refuse to let sceince understand this phenomenon?

I refuse? No, science, you now have my approval. You may now say that it is real. :p There. I'm not holding it back any more.

Seriously though, don't turn this around. I am not holding it back at all in any way. That accusation has no backing whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Flaunting science around like it proves everything. But science doesn't know everything! Besides, science is subjective.

Science might not know everything. but it's the best we've got.


Also, your brain isn't capable of influencing things in a quantum level.


Find a skeptic that tried those shit and had positive result, and I'll take that as proof.

Have you ever thought that to get it to work you had to believe in it. And because the skeptic didn't believe, it didn't work? yes, that's why!

That is why people who are skeptic do not have too much if any success with things like you were talking about or psi. Belief is quite important when it comes with doing things with the mind, of course.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Have you ever thought that to get it to work you had to believe in it. And because the skeptic didn't believe, it didn't work? yes, that's why!

That is why people who are skeptic do not have too much if any success with things like you were talking about or psi. Belief is quite important when it comes with doing things with the mind, of course.

I'm pretty sure there are many people who were skeptic abotu LDing, and it worked for them.

Yet I see no scientifical proof psi exists. Your argument is lik saying "to prove God exists, you must believe it!"

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Well, at least psi believers are somehow more agreeable than religious zealots. I'm open for discussion.


Proof is made to make people believe things, am I right?

Originally Posted by magicdood

Seriously though, don't turn this around. I am not holding it back at all in any way. That accusation has no backing whatsoever.

Oh really? Its people like you do not allow science the opportunity to study and understand such abilities, only to turn around and criticize the scientific community for being “ignorant” or “skeptical “of such abilities...der?

I hate to break this to you, but its people like you who are the problem. If this phenomenon is real, its people like you who are to blame for why this phenomenon is still unrecognized. Only people like you can change that, but people like you don’t. Instead, people like you just sit around talking shit about the problem that they themselves perpetuate.

pssh

Ethan- If that's what you think, then fine. The fact that you have no idea about my personal back round, yet you are still criticizing me for what you are shows your lack of understanding. How do you know I could somehow make everyone believe in psi?

I am not the problem. You are more of the problem for not at least trying it out with an open mind and belief system. I have done my work. I have done it. You on the other hand just sit here wasting, and calling me the problem? That makes no sense. You are more the problem because you are not willing to work at it. Don't blame me for your laziness. I have nothing to prove to you. I don't care that you do not believe, I am just saying that it is science that is holding us back as a race. But the fact that you don't believe in psi doesn't bother me one bit.

Kromoh- Well it is kind of true about God. You can't prove he/she/it exist. It's a belief thing.

But yes, that is what I'm saying. I'm sure you wouldn't believe a video, or my word. So, personal proof would be the way to go. That's how I came to fully believe in it. It's called not being lazy, and just practicing until you have success. Not waiting for someone else to go through the long process of getting it proven.

Post a video of you saying "hello dreamviews" and then doing that psi things


Of course it is still not to be fully trusted, but it definitely is something.

I'd try psi if you do that.

Btw I must see you saying it... only adding audio won't fool me.

Youtube.com. I feel no need to post videos. Damn that makes me look fake. Oh well, sorry, no can do. I guess for the time being I can't do anything that I claim. Too bad. Carry on with your regular lives. My argument is pointless. I have no proof. Sorry to disappoint, but I actually have no proof. Ah well. hehe

Originally Posted by magicdood

Youtube.com. I feel no need to post videos. Damn that makes me look fake. Oh well, sorry, no can do. I guess for the time being I can't do anything that I claim. Too bad. Carry on with your regular lives. My argument is pointless. I have no proof. Sorry to disappoint, but I actually have no proof. Ah well. hehe

Wel have in mind I won't be trying it then

haha, somehow I guessed as much.

Originally Posted by magicdood

Ethan- If that's what you think, then fine. The fact that you have no idea about my personal back round, yet you are still criticizing me for what you are shows your lack of understanding. How do you know I could somehow make everyone believe in psi?

By getting some reliable proof, by giving science a chance.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I am not the problem. You are more of the problem for not at least trying it out with an open mind and belief system.

There is a difference between having an open mind and being naive, and that difference is a reasonable degree of skepticism. And that’s exactly what I have. I have tried TK before (before I had any sort of bias) and have even gotten "positive" results. But I later found my results to be the cause of something other than psi. I know this means nothing of the phenomenon itself, just don’t think you can get away with that excuse with me. Not everyone who is skeptical is closed minded or lazy.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I have done my work. I have done it.

Actually you haven’t. When it comes to establishing an unrecognized phenomenon, cultivating the skill is only half of the work. Substantiating that skill is the other half you have yet to do. And yet you have the nerve to blame me for what you yourself haven’t even done…nice try.

Originally Posted by magicdood

You on the other hand just sit here wasting, and calling me the problem? That makes no sense. You are more the problem because you are not willing to work at it. Don't blame me for your laziness.

Oh give me a break, of course people like you are to blame. How is science supposed to verify PSI when those who can actually do it refuse to let science verify it !? It sure as hell isn’t the skeptics fault that people who actually have the ability are the one’s keeping it questionable.

And tell me, which is more lazy: expecting someone to substantiate their own abilities, or expecting the world to do it for you, without you?

Don’t even try to blame the lack of evidence on the people who can’t do it. That doesn’t make sense. If you don’t care what the world believes, then fine. But for those that do, it’s up to them to substantiate their own abilities. It’s just common sense. You can’t blame science for needing empirical evidence, ok? But, you can blame those who want scientific recognition, and have the ability, yet refuse to submit to scientific analysis.

After all, since the problem here is missing evidence, who’s to blame for that evidence being absent except those with the ability?

Originally Posted by magicdood

I have nothing to prove to you. I don't care that you do not believe, I am just saying that it is science that is holding us back as a race.

And people like you are holding science back. See how that works? When it comes to PSI, science wouldn’t be “holding us back with their ignorance” if people like you weren’t purposefully keeping them in the dark. Only those with the ability can change that all of that…but they don’t for some reason. What they do do, however, is complain about the consequences of their own actions, and put the blame on the very people who are willing to give them what they want, recognition and legitimacy.

I see what you are saying. I understand it. But I don't mind that science doesn't believe or have proven psi. I mind that people won't take chances and believe things that haven't been scientifically proven.

Ethen: I have not yet seen Magicdood state that he will plainly not allow science to study Psionics in any way, although, you keep on saying that he is holding back science himself. I do not see this to be the case.

Science is on it's own, I don't think it needs the help from some teenager on an internet forum. Since you defend it so much, why don't you help it? You certainly seem suitable for the job.

Originally Posted by Nameless Epitaph

Ethen: I have not yet seen Magicdood state that he will plainly not allow science to study Psionics in any way, although, you keep on saying that he is holding back science himself. I do not see this to be the case.

His inaction is what is holding back science. But obviously its not just him, its every psion who sits by, passively waiting for someone else to do what they themselves are fully capable of, or so they make it seem.

Originally Posted by Nameless Epitaph

Ethen Science is on it's own

And that’s the problem. Scientists need psions as subjects in order to study this phenomenon. They can’t magically do it “on their own”…though that would be nice.

And since scientists depend on these people to volunteer themselves, their time, and their abilities to them (so that they can study it), its ultimately out of the scientist’s hands. They can’t force these people come forward, nor can they "break any ground" until they have something in their labs to study.

So they do nothing, because in this case that’s all they can do on their own. The lack of progress can't be blamed on them, however, because there is only so much they can do without the subjects. They can't get to work until they have something to work with.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Did you even watch the Matrix? All your questions are answered there.

The Matrix is just the Hollywood version of Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Originally Posted by ethen

His inaction is what is holding back science. But obviously its not just him, its every psion who sits by, passively waiting for someone else to do what they themselves are fully capable of, or so they make it seem.



And that’s the problem. Scientists need psions as subjects in order to study this phenomenon. They can’t magically do it “on their own”…though that would be nice.

And since scientists depend on these people to volunteer themselves, their time, and their abilities to them (so that they can study it), its ultimately out of the scientist’s hands. They can’t force these people come forward, nor can they "break any ground" until they have something in their labs to study.

So they do nothing, because in this case that’s all they can do on their own. The lack of progress can't be blamed on them, however, because there is only so much they can do without the subjects. They can't get to work until they have something to work with.

I see your points.

Although, I do not think that you or anyone else to that matter, can say that no psion has tried to help science. And, even if they haven't, just because it has not yet been proven in science, it does not make that psion responsable for the lack of scientific knowledge. We are all ourselves, we are free (to some point) and if we humans choose not to go to some extra lengths to help out science, then we aren't bad, we aren't lazy. We just are.

Most psions that I know are teenagers. I do not think that a teenager is ready to go and do experiments with scientists. Give it a little time. Have patience, a psion will help science.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I see what you are saying. I understand it. But I don't mind that science doesn't believe or have proven psi. I mind that people won't take chances and believe things that haven't been scientifically proven.

((many of the "YOU" statements aren't directed towards any one person, but to the whole side of those against science.)

Uh, ok where do you think new revelations come from? Er...Science. Who do you think proposed that the Earth was round and not flat? A scientist, Er infact, people who were not scientific tried to have him killed for claiming him to be a heretic. Not that you are part of this religious group, but you share the same charectoristics, you want people to believe things that aren't proven based on the WORD alone. If you told us that you could fly would you want us to believe that as well?

Every single thing you say was "limited" because of science was not limited at all. It was discoverd/created by science. Know what you say before you speak. Science doesn't know everything, but it is in fact open to everything. Just because you say that science isn't open yet again does not mean that its not. The only reason you think science isn't "open" is because they haven't written in some text book somewhere that is recognized by most other scientist that you are right. While it is quite the contrary, science wants to study new fields, and is open to studying them. I believe in another forum someone said,

"Science has fields in even the most retarded areas."

Science isn't your enemy, it wants to be your friend...you are just afraid of it. Which is rather ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Science isn't your enemy, it wants to be your friend...you are just afraid of it. Which is rather ridiculous.

love your post




people jus tdon't think that, by using a computer to post, they use science. To conclude 1+1=2, they use science.


If they hate science so much, why don't they burn down their computer and go live in a cave?