Alien Channelers, Real? Hoax? Or Victims?

[juroara]

well, I'll be staying home today waiting for a phone call to find out if my art made it into a local competition, CANT LEAVE MY ROOM with that said! I wanted to have a more in depth conversation about my two latest threads in the extended discussion, the UFO Hoax and October 14 prediction. Ive been running into a lot of different materials, and its oh-so fun to read and oh-so confusing. I'll be slowly pouring them in here. here are the two threads if you haven't seen them - http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=65636 - http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=65380 I wanted to aim the conversation towards people who were open minded enough for multiple possibilities - hopefully at least three of the following 1. universal consciousness and all that implies with those words, including ego illusion 2. the ability to communicate with other souls through mind alone 3. the chance that ET's are real, and also evolving into conscious intelligent beings 4. but also, the mass amount of lies and garbage fed to us from all venues, from the media, to the government, to even..CHANNELERS 5. astral projection and what astral projectors say about aliens 6. to even what the religious world says about aliens I'll be posting my strangest, and trying to make connections and sense of the mess. With that said. . . I do not like fear based agendas. I am against fear. I feel fear is used primarily to exert control. Such as the church using the fear of hell. I also want to say, that although I am about to post a lot of different ideas here - I believe in nothing and in everything. That is I believe ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. But also that which is in front of me, can be an illusion in the tibetan sense. I wanna be honest here, growing up, I hated anything alien! That was because I was just a small little girl when that movie, what was it, fire in the sky came out. I WAS TRAUMATIZED! But I have a fear based relationship with things. If I fear something in one point in my life, later on I am obsessed with knowing everything about and unearthing it. I want to talk about various different Alien first hand experiences that are infamous in the sub culture world. From the Pleidians, to Blossom, to even Dr. Steven Greer! And take a closer look if these people are getting positive attention for their work or not. If they are being 'real and honest', 'deceitful and hoaxing' or 'victims of delusion'. Is their experience 'real'? That is, do we have any reason to believe they are lying? And despite saying something outside the box, do we have any evidence they are delusional? Is it a hoax? Do we have reason to believe the story is about money, or even the old CIA disinformation game? Or is the person a victim. Of either mental disease, spiritual delusion, uh, evil spirit mind control, or even mind control brought by machines and drugs ******************************** Now a lot of people hiss at the word channeler, especially religious folk. But at the same time, if I view channeling as 'consciousness connecting to consciousness', then couldn't we say, all spiritual gurus have channeled? I mean, you might be able to argue, Jesus channeled Tao? Buddha channeled, Higher Self? now as spirituality is concerned, channeling is a real possibility. But a precarious one. Many spiritual buffs argue, you can only channel/connect to a consciousness as far as high as you are willing to take your consciousness. Or even, as far as you are willing to drop the ego. Someone who can drop the ego, can then connect to Godhead - and speak in the name of such Godhead. Now I realize its not entirely accurate to say connecting to the higher self is channeling the higher self, because the higher self is YOU. And channeling implies 'someone' else. The reason I am drawing a connection is, because in the belief of the universal consciousness, the boundaries between you and me is an illusion. Because it is an illusion, one mind transcends boundary and connects to mind. Even, if is an alien mind. At the core, its all the same mind. This is the basis of alien-new-age. Nearly all alien channelers believed in that universal consciousness, and the non locality of the mind. Does this mean we should hold them up enlightened buddhas? NO. Because still in this non locality of mind matrix, you can connect to another's ego, and it's duelistic delusions. So even if we were to believe that channelers are in fact channeling the consciousness of another, how do you know that other is enlightened? or worthy of listening to?

[juroara]

How do you judge the merit of a channeler? (and if you don't believe in channeling don't worry, I've already looked into an alternative idea that I am going to post shortly, unless someone beats me to it. No, not just hoaxing or even delusion. . .something much cooler!) Well, the best spiritual gurus of humanity speak of the ego. The more enlightened you are about the ego and its duality, the more you can spot it in yourself *firstly* and in others. How duelistic does blossom sound? http://www.blossomgoodchild.com/ keeping in mind, if what important spiritual teachers teach is true, than a hoaxer out for money is BOUND TO HAVE duelistic messages. such a person out to steal your money, is trapped in ego illusion. Blossom, if you haven't already read - claims the Federation of Light has spoken with her, and they say they will appear on October 14, 2008 in a mass eyewitness account that will force global disclosure. Other channelers are starting to bark up the same tree, agreeing with Blossom. (ill link them as soon as I find them again) One channeler even said - the ship will be so large, an entire city will find itself in darkness underneath the ship. So were talking something from an observer on the ground - horizon to horizon. Sounds nutty huh? I found it amusing because they also said they (the aliens) would hang around for three days. So then the words, the three days of darkness popped up into my mind Blossom as well as the other alien channelers say, the aliens come in peace. Some have suggested Blossom is out for the money, since she is charging something like $15 for past lectures with the Federation of Light. so others are already screaming "SCAM!!" But there is more to it than that, for one she says she's a channeler of White Cloud, a native american spirit. That this Federation of Light business is relatively new stuff to blossom. White Cloud has given Blossom a sort of following, those who want to hear what White Cloud, the native american spirit, has to say. Do you think its realistic for Blossom to lose her White Cloud following base, over alien business? That's probably the part I'm having the hardest time understanding. If you have a faithful following, and you really are out for the money, why this drastic change? Especially with the Federaton of Light, that is being channeled by so many others? If she was out for the money, wouldn't channeling a native american spirit make her more UNIQUE? On the website you can find recent channels of the Federation of Light between AFTER the October 14 annoucement. Blossom says, she will keep channeling until the event. Here are two snippets. The Federation of Light is in bold. "5.Well, your announcement continues to rock the world it seems!! I have been asked to ask you so many questions, which you are probably aware of. I put my TRUST in you (CLEARLY!) and know that you will say what needs to be said. However … if I may be so bold … other channells that have confirmed this date have said that it could be changed at the last minute for our safety. Someone who I have come to highly respect has suggested to me this would be because … and I quote … ‘The Galactic Federation do not want a confrontation where they are forced to defend themselves, not that they couldn't as they clearly can deal with whatever is thrown at them. It would give the impression that some kind of Space War was starting, and that is the last thing they want. That may also put some of our people at risk, so they would not take chances where our safety was concerned.’ As much as I understand that …and if this is so … wouldn’t that be the case what ever date you showed up? I feel this is also a reason why you are being so discrete about where that ‘showing up’ is going to be. However … if I may be so bold? IF you don’t show up on the 14th, you are not only going to make me lose MY street cred but YOURS as well!! I KNOW you KNOW all this (here we go again) but are you able to enlighten me on this matter? I FEEL it is imperative you show on that day or people will just put it down to another crackpot under a ridiculous illusion. (Especially my mum, love her as I do!) Welcome to you first and foremost. We see how we have turned your everyday living into something very different from what it was and we send you energy as you have asked. Regarding the subject matter of which you have just mentioned … ALL PLANS are underway for this date." and a later one "I am trying, Truly I am . But one can get swept away with all that is being said about the event. The biggest concern for me being that other channels are saying it may not be possible on the 14th , but it will be happening soon/now/ up until feb09/ by the end of Oct? Etc, etc. At the end of the day it will be what it will be and nothing and no-one can change that. I get that. But would you say then … OK… deep breathe… cos you know how I shrivel in anticipation when asking questions … that you are going to appear on the 14th OCT? YES BLOSSOM. THAT IS AFFIRMATIVE! And do you know what … I believe you! THERE I”VE SAID IT!! YEEHA! I’m getting there … slowly but surely. I do question why you chose me though. I’m not exactly one of Gods most intelligent beings. I can’t retain information very well. A mind like a sieve. Then I decided … I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. And I KNOW WHAT LOVE FEELS LIKE. And … the rest?... well, that’s an individuals choice to feed the mind. That’s cool. Yet I find, in order to feed my mind … I must first of all make sure my soul has had breakfast! Phew… I can feel a bit of the Blossom I used to know and Love returning.. LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT LIGHT. LET’S KEEP THIS WHOLE THING LIGHT.!!!!! There is little time left now until the ‘BIG AWAKENING’. As excitement builds in all worlds let us remain uplifted. Let us remember why this is taking place. Let us send out PEACE to your planet and to every living thing that is involved in this CHANGE. WE ARE LOVE. YOU ARE LOVE THERE IS ONLY LOVE. KNOW OF IT. BE IT. Dear souls, who co join in THIS GREAT DIVINE PLAN, that shall allow freedom of self once again ... We say to you ... WELCOME TO THE RETURN OF YOURSELVES. YOU SHALL KNOW OF THIS BY KNOWING YOURSELF. In all humility, and I know I speak for many … THANK YOU!." I wonder why she hasn't bothered asking White Cloud if the date of the FDL is accurate.....How do you feel about blossom? Do you think she is out for the money even at the possible expense of her original White Cloud following? stay tunned! lots more to come! really

[tkdyo]

Blossom...well, she LOOKS like the kind of person who might scam, but at the same time you are right about the messing up her following. If this doesnt happen, I guess we get proof it was a scam right?

[euphoria_]

sounds interesting and if something is to go down 10/14...all we can do is wait.

[The Prodigy]

I really hope this is real.. the world needs something like this to happen

[Eonnn]

I've seen a couple of videos of people 'channeling' and it really is quite bizarre like they are not themselves. It may be that they are good at acting or really are channeling someone/something. One thing's for sure... if aliens show up on Oct. 14th it not only means we're not alone, but also that channeling is real. And if that's the case, then many of the channelings about everyone ascending to a higher dimension soon could indeed be true. But my guess is that she's pulling it all out of her ass just like every other person who claims to be a psychic or channeler.