Thread: How do you explain...

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Scientifically One of those things where you can have a group of people
and they conjure up a spirit (like materialize infront of you)?

Two words: They don't.

...like i hear they do at spiritualist churches (Take this with a grain of salt as its just a website but hear they talk to people aswell).

You'll need a lot more than a grain to mask that bad taste. You heard wrong. You heard the tale they (some one) want(s) you to believe.

I just wanna know the scientific term for this without "mass hilusination" because that would be....impossible.

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth

It simply does not happen. That's not the way the world works. If you want to try to believe then go ahead but think about it before you commit to magical explanations for waking world happenings. Myths like that often start with wishful thinking and metaphoric mis-interpretation.

You can't all have the same hilusination at the exact same time all the time.

Probably not in the way you're thinking, no. But mass hysteria is a very real phenomena and large crowds can think something happened that didn't happen. At least, not in the way it was perceived.

In the case of the church, it's nothing more than a barrel of BS with a dash of suggestion and wishful thinking.

I been wondering about this for a long while so i figure i might aswell ask.

Let not your little heart be troubled.

Well i got 1 answer sofar.

I am not sure I am understanding this question properly, and don't know if your meaning 'group' as in mediums collectively and in general, or if you mean when a 'group' all see the same thing at once. I also don't know what datura is, but surely you don't think all mediums are taking drugs (coz they certainly are not) so we'll go for some other explanations/clarifications.

Clairvoyance happens both objectively and subjectively.

Subjective, which is the most frequent way, is basically seeing an image in your mind the way you would if you deliberately tried to imagine/picture something, tho it is usually a lot more vivid than it would be if you tried to picture something deliberately. Sometimes it is like glimpsing snap shots, sometimes it is like viewing mini film clips. If tuned in together, it is possible for more than one medium to see an image.

Objective is also done with the mind, however the image appears to be projected in to your external field of vision so appears in front of you. Barring a small proportion of incidents where I have seen spirits surrounded in blazing light, they generally just look like exactly like people do, ... solid, full color, animated. To me they don't slowly manifest before my eyes, they are just there in a split second. More than one medium can see an objective image at once too.

Manifestations as seen in physical phenomena, do not require clairvoyant vision and can be seen by everyone present medium or not, ... and none of these types of incidents involve anyone taking any drugs or other substances. Of course I can't vouch for every person in every incident, so of course some individuals may have done that, but it is not a standard practice, you don't rock up to circle and pass the drug plate around (lol), and when others who have not, or more likely - everyone who has not, can see the same thing anyway, it is not as tho it can be classified as a drug fuelled mass and shared vision.

Hope that answers your question

/rant on/
I fought back some dark shadow thing that was inhabiting my old house.

My closest friend, in bed with me told me of the event the next morning.

Mass hallucination my ass.

You use that word to make everything better, to make you feel like this simple materialistic world is all there is.

A dog can hear things that typical humans cannot, Cats react to seemingly nothing. Wild animals run "Before" earthquakes. Its a matter of senses. What are you equipped to deal with? We are at the point of being able to perceive these things but not quantify them on instruments... I mean c'mon look at past science, the atom was thought up before it could be measured, as were X-rays and many others.

In most cases humans have had the unfallable ability to tune out extremely disturbing and chaotic memories, as if they never existed.


... /Rant off/

Originally Posted by Serinanth

/rant on/
I fought back some dark shadow thing that was inhabiting my old house.

My closest friend, in bed with me told me of the event the next morning.

Mass hallucination my ass.

You use that word to make everything better, to make you feel like this simple materialistic world is all there is.

A dog can hear things that typical humans cannot, Cats react to seemingly nothing. Wild animals run "Before" earthquakes. Its a matter of senses. What are you equipped to deal with? We are at the point of being able to perceive these things but not quantify them on instruments... I mean c'mon look at past science, the atom was thought up before it could be measured, as were X-rays and many others.

In most cases humans have had the unfallable ability to tune out extremely disturbing and chaotic memories, as if they never existed.


... /Rant off/

Well i'm trying to get a scientific approach for this 1 thing i posted about
, not to start anything against the believers. Anyway i've expierienced ALOT of stuff too, but who knows if it was real or not. Like hearing noises in basement followed by footsteps coming up the stairs towards me, then stopping behind me, then noises in the basement again. Also seen an image of a woman in pain reaching out to me for help and i been afraid of being alone at the woods at night since then, and many more including seeing a man wave and smile at me and walk/dissapear in the darkness, i followed him. Anyway we can't let somethings that we cannot explain a paranormal event even if it was as real as heck, brains are beyond powerfull and should not be dismissed nomatter what.

The whole dog/cat thing. They can sense things we cannot sense, like maybe a guy is breaking in nextdoor and we don't hear it but they do. They look at walls and bark or growl but it's sounds they don't like most likely. My old dog once growled in the dark so i walked into the dark to check around outside. We think animals sense the paranormal but we don't know. We know they can hear sounds ALOT better then we can.


I don't wanna sound like a typical close minded person but i'm just giving the other side it could possibly be without going paranormal.

Originally Posted by Serinanth

/rant on/
I fought back some dark shadow thing that was inhabiting my old house.

My closest friend, in bed with me told me of the event the next morning.

So someone witnessed you acting out your dream. It's not unheard of. But that doesn't prove you "fought back some dark shadow that..." I mean, you'd think that if you were up and about, fighting off demons, you'd remember something. Hmm, let's see: Nocturnal fits manifest in physical movement, amnesia... yup, sounds like a dream to me. Ask anyone who knows anything about night terrors, sleepwalking or any part of the entire field of somnambulist activities.

http://www.thebrgs.homestead.com/philipexperiment.html

Was given this in the thread called "The Phillip Experiment". Take it for what you will...real or some type of special ability.

You dont fight a shadow with your fists
I did not get up nor did I stir.

She thought I was asleep, Druidic teaching goes on about using light as a shield as a means of communication, of weakinging the world walls, you know the druids were the worlds first hippies? They developed the black light =D Called them a PelanTan they hung blue blown glass spheres with black candles in them in trees and caves.

Anyways, I used the light shield stuff I learned and pushed the thing back and then drove it off. She told me of how the thing came at us how it was stopped tried to get closer and was then pushed back and dissipated.
I couldent see the thing, I just felt it and thats exactly what I perceived.

So I was not asleep, nor was I sleep walking. Quite a few people mentioned how that room was "Not right".

Heh, I found this interesting too. My landlord came in the house and saw I had candles in my room, and he got all nervous and rambled on about me getting wax all over the place and that I had not get it all over the wood floor like the last people. I wondered if some one preformed some ritual and let something loose in there? I duno thats speculation but who knows.

As for people creating ghosts and stuff I wouldent be surprised.