Thread: Scientifically Created OBEs

No, it's not like that, you misundertood me.

Your eyes do indeed get information fo what you see. But the task of interpreting them, and allowing you t oobserve things, understand them, and act upon them, is all on your brain. It's more or less liek a computer: the processor sends information about the graphics that have to be created (eyes), and the graphics board interprets the signals, and creates the graphics for display (brain).

If you are able to see your keyboard using your eyes, then your brain is equally able to recreate when you aren't actually lookign at a keyboard.

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By the way, what can't science explain about OBEs? How real they feel? How one person heard what was said in a waiting room? How thousands others didn't? I'm not closing my eyes to what I don't know, I just choose not to believe what doesn't have (logical) evidence in its support.

Well i'll let someone more expierienced then me go on further, i'm not really edumacated in either areas.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

By the way, what can't science explain about OBEs? How real they feel? How one person heard what was said in a waiting room? How thousands others didn't? I'm not closing my eyes to what I don't know, I just choose not to believe what doesn't have (logical) evidence in its support.

You are wrong. Science relies on factual evidence, not logical.

As the definition of OBE is experimenting something non-physicial (out of body), then there's no way, at least now, to get factual evidence about it with science usual mesurements, unless the out of body is also physicial. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Therefore it's just a matter of interpretation, not what is right nad what is not.

This is exactly why people should not believe everything they see. They miss stuff alot on DV and everywhere else by the looks of it.

Well, maybe scientists aren't able to reproduce yoru concept of OBE - that of really being out of your body. I'll not rely on the arguments for it being completely false, since it doesn't come to what we are discussing now.


If scientists are able to recreate what you experience during a supposed OBE scientifcally (and not by actually getting yo uout of your body), then it's a great evidence if favour of it al being only in your head. I doesn't exclude the possibility of "real" OBEs, but for those I've also got arguments

I'm pretty sure this an old article. I've seen or read something very similar to it a few months ago. Anyway, this doesn't disprove OBEs. It certainly doesn't prove them either. The major difference between this experiment and traditional OBEs if the sensory input being received by the observer.

In this experiment, it sounds like this people are wide awake, and are being provided with sensory input from an outside source, where as an OBE, where does it come from? The brain? The Astral Plane? Who knows. The believer in the traditional OBE is no different in respect to those people who believe dreams are some kind of separate reality.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Well, maybe scientists aren't able to reproduce yoru concept of OBE - that of really being out of your body. I'll not rely on the arguments for it being completely false, since it doesn't come to what we are discussing now.


If scientists are able to recreate what you experience during a supposed OBE scientifcally (and not by actually getting yo uout of your body), then it's a great evidence if favour of it al being only in your head. I doesn't exclude the possibility of "real" OBEs, but for those I've also got arguments

If you mean me i mean people say 1 thing and people say a different thing saying they missed such and such in their arguement, happens everywhere so i said this is why we should not believe what everyone says. I guess you really gotta believe what you wanna believe.

Aff man, believeing what you want to believe is closing yoru eyes to the bitter truth and choosing the sweet way to go. Believing what you want to believe is accepting that your beliefs will most probably be (scientifically) false.

And blade5x, I don't think experienced people actually believe dreams are "journeys out of your body", unless they are those kidn of people who believe what they want to believe.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Aff man, believeing what you want to believe is closing yoru eyes to the bitter truth and choosing the sweet way to go. Believing what you want to believe is accepting that your beliefs will most probably be (scientifically) false.

And blade5x, I don't think experienced people actually believe dreams are "journeys out of your body", unless they are those kidn of people who believe what they want to believe.

No offense or anything but you sound like those christians, except using science. Please stop, i actually liked reading your posts.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Aff man, believeing what you want to believe is closing yoru eyes to the bitter truth and choosing the sweet way to go. Believing what you want to believe is accepting that your beliefs will most probably be (scientifically) false.

And blade5x, I don't think experienced people actually believe dreams are "journeys out of your body", unless they are those kidn of people who believe what they want to believe.

I guess what you are inherently saying that if we dont believe in science's postulates, then we are the ones 'who believe what we want t believe'.

Im sorry if I sound harsh, but as LucidFlanders said your attitude isnt different than the attitude of the Inquisition christians.

You see science is just another intepretation of reality, it's a metaphor because the use of language limits us to refer reality with metaphors. But metaphors like yours (scientific, religious, etc) are the worst of all, because they are the only ones who claim to not be a metaphor, and claim to be the only truth. Thus 'killing' the rest of the metahpors "for the sake of truth" (they even believe they are doing something good to ones who are "wrong").

And believe it or not, many of humanity's problems have arisen from this way of thinking.

Try reading some Nietzsche. You'll see how true power and creativity can only come from the plurality of interpretations. It is the weak men who hide behind their claims that they hold the only truth.