Thread: Convince me?

What makes you think so? lol I find it disrespectful not to read people's arguments. It's even a logical fallacy if you ask me

Well i already said what you're disagreeing with me. I said it supports no afterlife, and you're saying "Who said we don't know if the mind isn't only the work of the brain?".

Yep, but that was not all your post was consisted of. Re-read the last parts of your post - that's what I replied to.

How do you see a light (the tunnel) if your nerves were severed at birth and you been completly blind? Don't you need nerves to see this in the first place? They say the tunnel is created because those nerves in your eyes, when they get severed it's impossible to see any light, right? youtubing NDE research and saw this story.

lol. You don't need sensorial input from the nerves to see random images. Proof of this? Dreams. Dream images are all completely made up by your brain.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Are you even reading what i'm saying or just taking pieces out of it?

Hey just leave it. It's pointless to discuss, he did the same with my post.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

lol. You don't need sensorial input from the nerves to see random images. Proof of this? Dreams. Dream images are all completely made up by your brain.

How you supposed to see? aren't nerves the last thing connected to the eye? sever them and you're blind, how can you even see if they are severed?

Lol.

Dreams. Hallucinations. Those are all produced by your brain, not by your eyes. Blind people do actually dream of random colours, much like our hypnagogic imagery.

And the thinsg people see in NDEs is the same - hallucinations. It would be dumb to state that the things they see comes from their eyes.

Physiology lesson 1:

eye -> nerve -> brain

a person with a severed nerve will not get input fro mhis eyes, but it doesn't mean the person cannot "see" images formed by their brain alone (dreams and whatnot). When you are dreaming, you don't use your eyes, there is no sensorial input coming from them, and yet you see many htings, things created by your brain. A blind-born person wouldn't dream of objects, as they have no idea of how they look, but the ydo dream of lights and colours. This doesn't disprove NDE "beyond" experiences, but it explains to you how blind people can still hallucinate which means NDE experiences could be all made up by yoru brain.

A blind person doesn't see what we see, unless of course they got blind later in life and saw this stuff before they were blind. Blind at birth you cannot see anything except smell, touch, feel, taste, and whatever else i'm missing.

And the thinsg people see in NDEs is the same - hallucinations.

Or so your theory says. It's just that, a theory untill we can know for sure when we see this stuff is....like, is it in the before, or waking up stage which would mean NDE's are hallucinations, or is it in the time we are clinically dead, brain ceases to function, everything is dead. Only time will tell what's true and what's not true. If i have an NDE i wanna try proving this unless of course the feelings overtake me like 82% of NDErs. Goodluck trying to disprove someone who's had an NDE and tell them they are a wackjob for believing what the brain tells them to see/feel. Best evidence for NDE's is the Pam Reynolds(sp?) case of being brain dead for an hour, she was already dead and saw the instraments, sure she coulda saw them before she died, what about hearing things in the room if she was dead?

BTW since you know this how long is the waking stage? a few seconds or minutes? a few seconds and i'll laugh at people who say it's part of the waking stage, it's like a dream and dreams last what...a few minutes? seems like days but time is non existant in dreams.

First of all, the hardest thing to determien is actual death. Patients being clinically dead and coming back to life isn't as rare as it looks. But once your brain stops working completely, that's it. Although it takes a lot for your brain to completely stop. Brain death = death. If she came back to life either she was given a new brain or she wasn't really brain dead. And, above all - technically, if she was dead, she could not be alive today. Death is death, if you get what I mean (clinical death being another thing).

LOOL time is existant in dreams. What you may get is the impression that more time passed, through your brain creating false memory. But in a usual dream, Stephen LaBerge's experiment shows an average of 90% of the time perception of waking life. And I have no idea what you mean by "waking stage"

I ment not existant, wtf was i smoking. Time doesn't exist or it wont feel like days have passed, and every second is a different minute/hour dream time, not real time since dreams are only a few minutes real time.

waking stage like when your brain wakes up from it's death from being clinically dead. The time in the middle is what i'm getting at. Before waking stage, but after death....the in between time if you get what i'm saying.
If the "death means no coming back" part is true, we will never find out about any of this, except of course living our ignorant lives thinking we know the truth. The ultimate question is....does anything happen?



BTW if blind people can't see, or if they are deaf and blind and they expierienced this and became undeaf/blind what's that mean? just a big huge couincidence, they never got told the story of this whole afterlife thing, either. Alot of NDE's/OBE's are created by the brain because of the stories they read/heard, what if this happened to 1 or more deaf/blind people from birth and they became undeaf/blind like i said and told this story? Also how about this...if it's all in the brain how come NDE's only happen to 18% of people, if it was brain related shouldn't all 100% expierience this? it's like 18% have a brain and 82% don't have a brain lol. Too many zombies i guess.

ps- go study

Lol. Death, the very concept of it, means no coming back (unless good'old Flying Spaghetti Monster brings you back). If a perso nwas called "dead" and came back to life, she wasn't really dead.

Yeah as I said and repeat million times: blidn people are able to see colours in their dreams. Hallucinations are like, existant for everyoneone. I think blind people seeing the exact same thing other NDE people see is just further proof it's all made up by your brain, but that's only me. People boast around sayign "blind peopel saw things in NDEs" but they never bother to know if blind people dream.

LOL NDEs are really subjective because NDEs are near death. Maybe some people who had NDE actually died, and maybe other people were not close to death enough to have a NDE. Maybe some were experiencing different brain conditions, and maybe people only don't remember it (just like one wouldn't remember a dream they had). And, just another thing, 100%'s don't exist in medical science - there are always exceptions, of varying percentages.

ps- go study

Go study or i'll make this longer.

Medical science >>> debating about things we wont ever know

lol, please stop the ad hominem.

Ok, whatever that is.

First, prove for me that I can prove anything for you? ..

Originally Posted by G0MPgomp

First, prove for me that I can prove anything for you? ..

A who in a what now?

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

A who in a what now?

If GOMPgomp was trying to explain an ad hominem, he was wrong.

An ad hominem is where you do nothing to attack the argument but rather attack the person's character.

Originally Posted by Grod

If GOMPgomp was trying to explain an ad hominem, he was wrong.

An ad hominem is where you do nothing to attack the argument but rather attack the person's character.

Thanks. then i wasn't ad hominening, i just told him to study because he is supposed to be on here less if you saw his thread in the lounge.