Thread: Dangerous?

Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That books is stupid as hell and isn't worth it's weight in feces.

You're fine, keep lucid dreaming.

Yep, I don't believe in any of the soul/leaving body/getting lost in dreams thingies (not to say something else).

So, to me, it is completely clear and without shadow of doubt that it is impossible. If you believe it or not, your problem, but I'm sure nothing would happen anyway.

Its a load of bollocks. Theres spiritual and New Age beliefs, and then there is just utter crap.

Our dreams are simply one thing: Hallucinations. Every night when you go to sleep there are two things that make up your dreams, Seratonin and Dimethyltryptamine being pumped out like mad by the Pineal Gland in your brain. Our dreams are effectively creations of our minds, based on our experiences new and old, our thoughts, ideas, feelings, emotions and the people around us. Everything about a dream is in your head simply based on the brain's reaction to the chemicals its pumping out and taking in.

Lucid Dreaming is simply realizing this truth that what you're experiencing is merely a dream, a product of your mind. Astral Projection, OOBEs, thats a different story if you believe in such things, but Lucid Dreaming is simply knowing that what you're experiencing is all in your head.

Complete bullshit. I've fallen off of many things and hit the ground straight on...I was dead in my dream but fine in real life. If you die in a dream you officially suck!

And just to clarify my statement a bit. You can still gain all emotions and learning from dieing in your dream. In invaluable learning in my opinion. I mean, it can be exactly like reality. However, you don't die and you still feal like you did. Imagine, learning a lesson like that from a dream.

Just to add on to the answers, it is rubbish. You cannot die in a lucid dream (or any dream for that matter) and your sould NEVER leaves your body. That is absolutely rediculous, anything that happens happens inside your brain. It is sorta like thinking, try thinking of dieing right now, I am 100% sure you will not die from it.

i found out a little more about it- something about parallel dimensions orsomething, i do not fully understand... i don't know she warns me and believes this. i told her that its proven that dreams are a product of your subconcious, but she says the soul leaves and gets trapped.

i will post later when i read it more.

what your grandma believes is one thing (strictly unscientifical but anyway)

if you are going to believe it, it's another thing heh

I would say that Dreamviews seems to have a fairly normal mortality rate.

I'm fed up with all this krap of people trying to deminish LDing simply because they have little knowledge of it. For now on I'm not waisting my time trying to prove to people that Lucid dreaming is safe!!! If they indeed know much about LDing then they would probably know that it's completely safe!!! For now on, everyone needs to learn how to use research before judging

thats so stupid. what kind of people buy books like that? think of all the people here that have been LDing for 10+ years. if there was a threat, even a small one, dont you think these people would have found it by now?

thats exactly what she says that its not proven. when i give her the facts, she just has a solemn look on her face and says that she warned me.
its not a book to discourage lds. its a book to help u in life and how to be sucessful...

If that was true then how would anyone know? Anyone who would've experienced it would be dead. Don't worry, you're completely safe

It's hard for our soul to leave our body, when it doesn't exist.


The soul that is.

I find that funny that you think the soul doesn't exist. Science can't prove everything, and religion can't prove anything, so why believe what either says unless you find out for yourself? If your scared to LD then don't, its just that simple.

I'm not gonna get my self into some huge discussion about faith and other things, but why would a simple work of chemicals and mechanics, which is exactly what our body is, have a soul? I fail to see the connection.

At the risk of being the pariah of Dreamviews, I'm going to disagree with everyone here.

I'm not saying it's absolutely true what your grandma told you. I'm saying that I don't know. For everyone posting in this thread to boldly say "No, there is absolutely NO danger in LD's. The soul DOES NOT even exist," takes a real lot of balls. HTF do you know there is no soul? HTF do you know that people who died in their sleep didn't get lost in a dream?

You're all just like the first cosmonauts who came back to earth and brazenly declared, "Wellp, we've been to 'heaven.' Didn't see God there! He doesn't exist!"

With regards to OP's question, I'm going to give you the first honest answer this thread has seen. Here it is: I don't know, and guess what, no one else knows either. Everyone has their opinion. But you know what they say about opinions and a**holes. Everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. So your grandma may be right, she may be wrong. I would venture to say that the people who wrote that book though have about as much evidence to back up what they say as the people you've asked here, which is none. Yes, I fall into that category too.

Hey, I'm not going to argue over all the scientific evidence there is aginst a 'soul'. That discussion belongs in R/S forum. But you can't say we don't have evidence to what we say if you don't know.

That's my point, I think. We don't have evidence that there is no soul or that what OP's grandma says is or isn't true. Yet everyone is posting in this thread with absolute conviction that they are 100% right, and the whole concept is hogwash, when the correct answer is "we don't know."

You can say what you think, and what your opinion is, but to say you know is not true.

I'm in the "its complete rubbish" category.
But like unseen wombat said, we can't say definitively one way or the other. We can only speculate on what we know to be true from our own perspective.

So I see it as this; I don't believe the soul literally exists. Its more like a concept to me, a man made concept to describe our consciousness because we couldn't understand how such a thing could exist otherwise.

So, to quote Suresh from Heroes (yes, I'm a geek) "Scientifically speaking, if the soul exists, it exists in the brain."

The soul can't be separated from the body. In the same way that software on your PC can't be separated from its hardware. If the mind (software) could exists outside the brain (hardware), then the brain would be pointless. It would have no reason for existing. We would be walking around without a brain. That to me, is proof enough that it isn't possible.

So if you don't believe what your grandmother said is true, then I say continue LDing and just tell her you've stopped. That way she is happy and thinks your safe and so do you. Everybody wins.

Not meaning to insult her or anything, but your grandmother sounds fairly closed minded in her beliefs. She rebuts your beliefs with no flexibility or reasoning. You've shown great flexibility in believing she was wrong but still wanted to research it and check to be sure. I commend that. If only more people could think that way.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

At the risk of being the pariah of Dreamviews, I'm going to disagree with everyone here.

I'm not saying it's absolutely true what your grandma told you. I'm saying that I don't know. For everyone posting in this thread to boldly say "No, there is absolutely NO danger in LD's. The soul DOES NOT even exist," takes a real lot of balls. HTF do you know there is no soul? HTF do you know that people who died in their sleep didn't get lost in a dream?

You're all just like the first cosmonauts who came back to earth and brazenly declared, "Wellp, we've been to 'heaven.' Didn't see God there! He doesn't exist!"

With regards to OP's question, I'm going to give you the first honest answer this thread has seen. Here it is: I don't know, and guess what, no one else knows either. Everyone has their opinion. But you know what they say about opinions and a**holes. Everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. So your grandma may be right, she may be wrong. I would venture to say that the people who wrote that book though have about as much evidence to back up what they say as the people you've asked here, which is none. Yes, I fall into that category too.

Because one takes a truthful standpoint does not mean one claims the soul does not exist. I do not claim the soul does not exist, I merely stated a fact completely irrelevant to whether the soul exists.

The soul may exist or it may not, but the belief that our dreams are dangerous because the soul "leaves during a dream" is preposterous. The fact of the matter is, whether the soul exists or not, that our dreams are simply chemical reactions in the brain, hallucinations while we sleep. There is no reason to attribute this to a soul even if it does exist.

For the record, I don't believe either that the soul leaves the body during dreams. As a Christian, I base this on the passage that says "the body without the soul is dead." So in that much, I'm in agreement with Hiros. Though while you believe that it doesn't exist, I believe it does, and one day, when you die, that is the only part of You (capital You meaning, your being) that will continue to exist.

Exobyte, I was combining what you had said with someone else's comment that there was no soul. That probably wasn't fair to you. I just found it preposterous that every single person in here was stating so bluntly that they KNEW that OP's grandma was wrong. Then someone comes in and says they KNOW there is no such thing as a soul. There's no way anyone can really know either of those things.

Also for the record, I loev Heroes too. It's my favorite show.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

that is the only part of You (capital You meaning, your being) that will continue to exist.

I like how you're using Plato's "Forms" Did you know that?

I don't know if i believe in a soul. It's a possibility. I do know that no matter what, upon the exact moment of death, a human being loses a certain amount of weight. I forgot the exact amount but it's the same amount for everyone. I rebutted my teacher with, "Well, that may be the blood in the body losing pressure as it stops flowing" and that's not it -- especially since our blood doesn't stop the moment we die.

I also know that you can't die in lucid dreams. You can die while IN a lucid dream probably, but the dream won't be the cause of your death. We dream every night, multiple times. A lucid dream is just when you become aware of it. The same exact mechanics are going on inside your body when you're lucid or not.

I think what your grandma was talking about is Astral Projection while dreaming. I don't believe that you actually phase out of your body during AP, only that you stream into another level of consciousness or you're just dreaming it all up.

People do believe that you can get lost during an AP though, or evil spirits can take over your body or soul or whatever, but the majority that believe the evil spirit thing also believe that you have a silver chord connecting you to your real body and if you ever experience danger, you'll just snap back into your body.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

For the record, I don't believe either that the soul leaves the body during dreams. As a Christian, I base this on the passage that says "the body without the soul is dead." So in that much, I'm in agreement with Hiros. Though while you believe that it doesn't exist, I believe it does, and one day, when you die, that is the only part of You (capital You meaning, your being) that will continue to exist.

Exobyte, I was combining what you had said with someone else's comment that there was no soul. That probably wasn't fair to you. I just found it preposterous that every single person in here was stating so bluntly that they KNEW that OP's grandma was wrong. Then someone comes in and says they KNOW there is no such thing as a soul. There's no way anyone can really know either of those things.

Also for the record, I loev Heroes too. It's my favorite show.

The soul is merely a human construct, deviced to explain our consciousness. Since then we've learned, that using super-natural explenations for things we don't understand, is not the right answer.
I find it amazing, that the majority of modern humans still tend to rely on fictional concepts, that are literally over thousands of years old.