Drugs

[Digital.Totem]

I don't advocate the chronic use of any drug you do not need to lead a normal life, but I've also had enough medication to know that some have very startling effects on your dreams. For instance Rozerum cause horrible hallucinations, Lunesta made me have the same dream 3 times a night for a week, and the Seroquel that I take now makes my lucid dreams longer with less interuption. I also support the use of Marijuana and other all natural drugs. By all natural you know what I mean, if it grows it's ok as long as you know what it is and have someone trip sitting with you. A little shroom and a bit of weed, make for beautiful dreams.

[Terrorhawker]

If I smoke green, I don't remember any dreams that night.

[theyearthreethousand]

surely you cannot sleep on shrooms?

[avalonandon]

If I smoke green, I don't remember any dreams that night. That is because THC activates the dream state mechanism...you are partially dreaming when high. At the time you go to sleep, your body has had alot of its needed dream state activity already and you are less likely to dream while asleep. I think this applies to alot of other psychedelics as well. Smoke weed for two days and not the third and you will dream like crazy.

[avalonandon]

surely you cannot sleep on shrooms? Actually, I have had psychedelic experiences that fell into sleep and became amazing dreams.

[TempleGuard]

I had good results with smoking weed and lucid dreaming. I've had a lot of lucids when I was smoking for my first times, but I havent had any lucid after being high in the last 2 months(but I dont have many lucids at all the last few months, and that could be the reason.I also have a theory about this. THC disurbes REM, but if I smoke like 3-6 hours before sleeping, I dont remember any dream in the first half of the night (cuz they are being supressed), but in the night I think I have longer REM's, cuz I have shorter when still a bit high. And every smoker knows that is so much cooler to sleep high.

[Think0808]

I snorted heroin twice when I was 18 years old, and both times I had the MOST vivid dreams I’ve probably ever had. I will put a detailed post in my DJ but I was leaving the airport on a plane and I could feel the plane start to fly then malfunction and crash from a few hundred feet in the air, when the plane hit I was thrown out the small window out onto the pavement and rolled a hundred feet or so. I could feel the rolling the gravel and the scrapes everything the blood it was ridiculously vivid. And as far as shrooms go, I have done them many times probably 30+ and I’ve always wanted to fall asleep on it, but I normally can’t even keep my eyes closed long enough to enjoy the ridiculous visuals with closed eyes. So now I’ll just sit in a dark room, and we’ve had some bad encounters with spirits on shrooms, but that is another story.

[avalonandon]

I snorted heroin twice when I was 18 years old, and both times I had the MOST vivid dreams I’ve probably ever had. I will put a detailed post in my DJ but I was leaving the airport on a plane and I could feel the plane start to fly then malfunction and crash from a few hundred feet in the air, when the plane hit I was thrown out the small window out onto the pavement and rolled a hundred feet or so. I could feel the rolling the gravel and the scrapes everything the blood it was ridiculously vivid. And as far as shrooms go, I have done them many times probably 30+ and I’ve always wanted to fall asleep on it, but I normally can’t even keep my eyes closed long enough to enjoy the ridiculous visuals with closed eyes. So now I’ll just sit in a dark room, and we’ve had some bad encounters with spirits on shrooms, but that is another story. Id like to know the story

[Think0808]

t’s pretty simple. I left for the plane and could see my family and girlfriend in the window watching me take off. We got into the air, the plane started to shake terribly and I could see out the window the ground coming closer. When the plan hit the ground I was shot through the window shattering it and getting pieces of like plexy glass in my arms and face. I hit the blacktop it was really warm from the sun beating down on it, and skipped across it going probably thirty miles an hour just being tossed around and my bones were breaking, and I was getting scrapes from the pavement and gravel was sticking into my skin. I could feel the warm blood coming out of me, and the sting of the scrapes. I could feel my organs were destroyed and my bones were almost all broke. The last thing I remember is looking up to the window my family was in from the pavement and knowing that I was F’d. I’ve died in one other dream, when I was shot and it was a very comforting feeling to let go in both dreams. Any questions?

[avalonandon]

t’s pretty simple. I left for the plane and could see my family and girlfriend in the window watching me take off. We got into the air, the plane started to shake terribly and I could see out the window the ground coming closer. When the plan hit the ground I was shot through the window shattering it and getting pieces of like plexy glass in my arms and face. I hit the blacktop it was really warm from the sun beating down on it, and skipped across it going probably thirty miles an hour just being tossed around and my bones were breaking, and I was getting scrapes from the pavement and gravel was sticking into my skin. I could feel the warm blood coming out of me, and the sting of the scrapes. I could feel my organs were destroyed and my bones were almost all broke. The last thing I remember is looking up to the window my family was in from the pavement and knowing that I was F’d. I’ve died in one other dream, when I was shot and it was a very comforting feeling to let go in both dreams. Any questions? I meant the shrooms and spirits story. Ive read quite a bit of Terrence McKenna

[Digital.Totem]

Today is a switch in sleep aides for me so I may or may not be able to dream at all for a while. I liked my seroquel because I could always dream, but most of the time when they move me back to ambien I don't have any dreams that I can recall, though I do sometimes hallucinate. wish me luck.

[Think0808]

I meant the shrooms and spirits story. Ive read quite a bit of Terrence McKenna Well what I mean when I talk about spirits and mushrooms is that your mind has almost crossed the threshold of the sub-concious when on shrooms. My first experience of these ideas...wow I need to put this somewhere else because there is so much to explain. Once...on shrooms... I said "It'd be really great to see a deer right now" (while walking through the woods) and as soon as we walked ten steps BAM a fawn was standing in the brush about two feet away just watching us...It was so sureal, this is the third time on shrooms that I've been around animals, and animals know that there is something different, they have a very large amount of peace about them. You could really touch them, but just as you would not walk up to a stranger and pet him, animals don't want to be touched by strangers. 2x it was deer both times I was within a couple feet of them and they were young and they did not run at all, I actually ended up walking away. It was like they didn't notice me. The other time it was two racoons. I live in Illinois so these are common animals around me. They were used to teach me a leason of life and death and compaionship. Two racoons cross the street infront of me, a car goes flying by and kills one. It is injured by not dead, it crawls underneith a car near by and his friend follows. He is wimpering and obviously seriously hurt, about a minuet goes by and the wimpering stops...a pause...and the friend walks away very slowly. The thing is...the friend stayed with him until he died, then casually walked off. Powerfull to anyone? See the meaning? He left his friend after death...not before. Intellegence so high that he realized he was dead and there was nothing else he could do. He accepted it. After this I continue to walk through a park and it is 2:14am. I ask god for "more signs" I need more "signs" to know that I am on the right path. I then said almost these exact words ( I wasn't alone) "When you die...there is no more pain it is peace. All of your questions will be answered and we'll wander the earth as peacefull spirits until the people alive in the world completely destroy themselves." Then out of nowhere...at 2:17am in the morning a church bell rings seven or eight times. So I just seen something amazing = racoons dieing And I just asked for more signs that I am on the right path. Then I say something I came to realize because of the events, and I am answered with a sign that I am correct. CHURCH BELLS! Some may say that it was a ka winky dink but the chain of events and the spiritual feeling I was left with makes me think otherwise. ************BIRDS*************** Birds are very smart. I was once on acid and sitting next to the Rock River (shoots of the mississippi that I live on) and birds singing in different tones and pitches flying from tree to tree. They have a very sophisticated form of communication. ************SPIRITS************** The last time I tripped, I summoned and cast away spirits, I don't think it's a good idea. The spirits took the forms of things that I could visualize at first and then would come from them to a very clear face. The curtains became to change and a face came out of them much like Lawn Mower man if you've seen that and I am remembering right. I antagonized it, "You are weak, What are you going to do to me? You arn't even scarey" Like I do in dreams to spirits if they are trying to mess with me...you may have read other posts of mine. It tried hard to scare me but it failed and I laughed it away. Later that night...we were laying in the dark and I was telling my friend how tupac was still here supporting everyone who wants a better life for their friends families and communities, and we said "we miss you tupac" out loud and then...at 4:17am my phone goes off, and it is a unavaliable number...The ringtone....of course...Tupac...Ka Winky Dink?? I don't think so.... After that a darkness came from the ceiling...this spirit DID scare me. It had a very strong precense. It came slowly out of the ceiling like a puddle of water swelling to take the whole ceiling over. Then through the air long streams of blackness came swirling down like smoke drifiting up. My friend asked me if it was bad, I said yes. He said "I'm scared" I said "I'll take care of it" All I said was "In the lord jesus name I cast you away" In an instance it was gone. You guys will probably come to love me around here for my stories, I've done every drug there is and tried many things that a lot of people would never do. Now I'm exploring the dreams...and their powers...one day I'll be walking to all of you to share my knowledge in your dreams.

[wer]

I don't advocate the chronic use of any drug you do not need to lead a normal life, but I've also had enough medication to know that some have very startling effects on your dreams. For instance Rozerum cause horrible hallucinations, Lunesta made me have the same dream 3 times a night for a week, and the Seroquel that I take now makes my lucid dreams longer with less interuption. I also support the use of Marijuana and other all natural drugs. By all natural you know what I mean, if it grows it's ok as long as you know what it is and have someone trip sitting with you. A little shroom and a bit of weed, make for beautiful dreams. First of all, just because its natural DOES NOT mean its ok. I'm sooooooo tired of people saying this, because it just isn't the case. There are plenty hallucinogenic drugs that come from the ground that will kill you if you take just a little to much, Datura in particular. Psychedelics can have powerful psychic effects, and some can profoundly effect the quality of your dreams (positively and negatively). These drugs should be approached as teachers only. I've used Cannabis, Ayahuasca, Psilocybin Mushrooms, LSD (which is only semi-synthetic), San Pedro Cactus, Opium, Amanita Mushrooms, Nutmeg, Salvia and Datura (and these are only the naturals). My conclusion is that these drugs are not the answer if your serious about reaching enlightenment. They can teach you a lot about yourself and a lot about how the world works, but they will only give you lessons. Dreams are best experienced sober. Life is best experienced sober. These drugs will show you the nature of your mind, but overuse will surely lead to a spiritual crisis. Seeing "spirits" on drugs must be approached as a purely subjective experience. Many times its usually only a hallucination, a personification of something in your unconscious. Actual astral travel while tripping would be extremely distorted and distinguishing between what's real and what's hallucination would be near impossible.

[avalonandon]

First of all, just because its natural DOES NOT mean its ok. I'm sooooooo tired of people saying this, because it just isn't the case. There are plenty hallucinogenic drugs that come from the ground that will kill you if you take just a little to much, Datura in particular. Psychedelics can have powerful psychic effects, and some can profoundly effect the quality of your dreams (positively and negatively). These drugs should be approached as teachers, however. I've used Cannabis, Ayahuasca, Psilocybin Mushrooms, San Pedro Cactus, Amanita Mushrooms, Nutmeg, Salvia and Datura (and these are only the naturals). My conclusion is that these drugs are not the answer if your serious about reaching enlightenment. They can teach you a lot about yourself and a lot about how the world works, but they can only give you lessons. Dreams are best experienced sober. Life is best experienced sober. These drugs will only show you things, but overuse will surely lead to a spiritual crisis. I am 100 percent in agreement here, thank you for saying this and putting it so well. To me, the psychedelic experience became a temporary school that revealed a very deep reality and many important insights into myself and others. I think that since the experience has such a spiritual quality, it is easy to see why people (myself included in the past) think that enlightenment may be found there too. It is a sort of cheating to reach that profound state of mind but it is not permanent. I have grown as a person tremendously from these experiences but enlightenment itself, as you said, we have to find via the true path - not through a temporary window.

[fy_iceworld]

Dmt! Dmt! Dmt! Dmt! Dmt! Dmt! Dmt! Dmt!

[fairytale complex]

theres no such thing as cheating, and time is of the essence. drugs can ruin your life, be trashy and whore: smoke that shit: pass that shit: wait before rite before you dye and if you still cant cry, then i say fuck it . i just want to bleed violet out my eyes like a girl. on the other hand if you cant remember your dreams because your smoking pot you should realy quit, and getting scared from evil spirits isnt worth it. but half the city isnt there and the other half is hard to find. apathy mother fucker ill kill you. bleed violet out your eyes ill cry for you i promise---somthings fucking wrong ! i wanna give a shout out to the club kids i never fucking met you

[SKA]

I am defenitely going to try DMT and 5-CaO-DMT; a DMT analogue often said to be more visual, mystical and desirable than DMT. Off course I'm also going to try to fall straight asleep in my experience, but I won't be doing that just yet. Mushrooms have given me amazingly meaningfull and vivid dreams with remarkably bright lightlevels and perfect dreamrecall. LSD has given me the strangest sleep: Like I was not really sleeping, but still sort of sleeping while heavily traveling through dreamworlds. Soon I am going to take low doses of LSD (like 1/4th of a blotter or even less) and fall asleep with the piece of blotter under my tongue And once more people: This is NOT an Ethical Debate. You people ruin every intelligent discussion by flooding it with opinions. DON'T hijack this Topic. It is meant for discussing and investigating Psychedelic interaction with Dreams. If you want to debate the Ethical questions surrounding the whole drug issue; Start another thread. Now piss off and allow us to experiment where you would never dare going.

[avalonandon]

I am defenitely going to try DMT and 5-CaO-DMT; a DMT analogue often said to be more visual, mystical and desirable than DMT. Off course I'm also going to try to fall straight asleep in my experience, but I won't be doing that just yet. Mushrooms have given me amazingly meaningfull and vivid dreams with remarkably bright lightlevels and perfect dreamrecall. LSD has given me the strangest sleep: Like I was not really sleeping, but still sort of sleeping while heavily traveling through dreamworlds. Soon I am going to take low doses of LSD (like 1/4th of a blotter or even less) and fall asleep with the piece of blotter under my tongue And once more people: This is NOT an Ethical Debate. You people ruin every intelligent discussion by flooding it with opinions. DON'T hijack this Topic. It is meant for discussing and investigating Psychedelic interaction with Dreams. If you want to debate the Ethical questions surrounding the whole drug issue; Start another thread. Now piss off and allow us to experiment where you would never dare going. DMT is metabolized very quickly and unless you took a small dosage, you wouldn't be able to sleep, even if you had the time. As for hijacking the thread, you are right. It did get a bit off topic. As for me personally, not daring to go - Ive already been.

[wer]

Now piss off and allow us to experiment where you would never dare going. I've gone far past the limits many times, and have ventured into the esoteric. I'm only giving my verdict on the matter of the use of drugs for spiritual motives. The topic of this thread is simply "Drugs" (which belongs in the Extended Discussion by the way ), so as long as the discussion is about drugs, I see no reason why constructive criticism shouldn't be tolerated. I'm not reprehending the use of drugs for the purpose of spiritual discovery; I'm simply saying that they will only point you in the general direction, but as for opening the doors - that is something you must do on your own. theres no such thing as cheating, and time is of the essence. drugs can ruin your life, be trashy and whore: smoke that shit: pass that shit: wait before rite before you dye and if you still cant cry, then i say fuck it . i just want to bleed violet out my eyes like a girl. on the other hand if you cant remember your dreams because your smoking pot you should realy quit, and getting scared from evil spirits isnt worth it. but half the city isnt there and the other half is hard to find. apathy mother fucker ill kill you. bleed violet out your eyes ill cry for you i promise---somthings fucking wrong ! i wanna give a shout out to the club kids i never fucking met you Hmm...

[Digital.Totem]

I never said just because it's natural it's completely safe, night shade is very natural and will kill your ass in very small dosages. What I meant is that modern manufactured drugs are so chemically complex that when they break down in your body, many produce toxic dangerous compounds they may or may not easily filter out of your system. For instance LSD and Peyote both have similar effects, but LSD even in tiny doeses can cause permanant brain damage.

[wer]

I never said just because it's natural it's completely safe, night shade is very natural and will kill your ass in very small dosages. What I meant is that modern manufactured drugs are so chemically complex that when they break down in your body, many produce toxic dangerous compounds they may or may not easily filter out of your system. For instance LSD and Peyote both have similar effects, but LSD even in tiny doeses can cause permanant brain damage. I see what your saying and agree with everything except the bit about LSD. LSD causes no brain damage.

[SKA]

Sorry about having been a little rude and generalising. I've just seen far too many topics like this been hijacked and turned into an ethical debate that seeing this AGAIN made me lose my patience and politeness for a sec. As for DMT + dreaming: I've heard many sources state that 5-CaO-DMT (Calcium Bufotenate; The saltform of Bufotenine) can, and usually does last up to 2 hours: Enough time to dream with when you take it sublingually in a WBTB+ WILD session. Sublingual Salvia may also work for this purpose.

[wer]

Sorry about having been a little rude and generalising. I've just seen far too many topics like this been hijacked and turned into an ethical debate that seeing this AGAIN made me lose my patience and politeness for a sec. As for DMT + dreaming: I've heard many sources state that 5-CaO-DMT (Calcium Bufotenate; The saltform of Bufotenine) can, and usually does last up to 2 hours: Enough time to dream with when you take it sublingually in a WBTB+ WILD session. Sublingual Salvia may also work for this purpose. The drugs that I see generally as dream enhancing agents are Nicotine (patch form is preferable so its in your blood stream even as your asleep - it will give you some fucking INTENSE dreams), natural MAOI inhibiters such as Syrian Rue and Banisteriopsis caapi, and Amanita Mushrooms. Amanita Mushrooms are, in my opinion, the best psychedelic for inducing WILDs and other types of lucid dreams. Also, Valerian Root can have significant positive effects on dreams (although it also known to cause nightmares and sometimes messes up your dream recall), along with Kava Kava (although kava can have negative effects on recall). These herbs can be bought at your local natural foods store. There are many others I haven't mentioned that I know very little about, but are used specifically for the enhancement of dreams. SKA, I know of an extremely reliable plant supplier that sells a cornucopia of rare shamanic plants, several of which are specifically used for dream divination. The prices are reasonable and the quality is superb, better then any other supplier I've heard of. If you want the link, please PM me.

[mfratt]

Usually when I smoke, my dream recall will be very sporadic that night, and I'll usually only remember small bits and pieces. A good friend of mine, who smokes just as much as me (but has been smoking for much longer) says that it doesn't affect his dream recall or ability to LD in any way, but he did have to train himself to be like that.

[gesoinoza7]

I'm not really sure how smoking affects my dreams. I smoked yesterday and remembered 2 dreams, I can't even remember the last time I could recall multiple dreams.