The Experiences of Near Death

[juroara]

The source of the near death experience is the testimony of individuals. The NDE is first and foremost then, an experience. You can argue all night long about the objective experience of the NDE. But science isn't any position to argue what these individuals did or did not experience. The best a scientist can do is hook these individuals up on a lie detector and see if they made it all up. A scientist can try to explain what physical processes in the brain created the experience. But for this, one first has to examine the subjective experience of the NDE. For those of you too lazy to do it yourself, you've got me! If you'll give me time. There are nearly 1000 experiences recorded on the website I am quoting from. I'm not any where near done! The purpose of this thread then is to share these NDEs. And show examples of everything experienced in the NDE, from the classic tunnel, to the not so classic 360 degree vision. Or show examples that defy religios beliefs, such as a homosexual experiencing heaven. Please have some respect for these individuals, with an open mind, try not to insult their intelligence. Once our minds are fully awake in the morning, we have the intelligence and reason to distinguish dreaming and waking. These individuals claim their experience is not a dream. That their experience was real. Yet they wake up every morning and still call their dream a dream. This thread is not to debate whether or not their experience was real. But to understand why these individuals would feel their experience is real. To understand how their experience is vastly different from normal dreams and hallucinations. And to understand how their experience effected them emotionally or mentally. I'll start you off with some themes in the next post

[juroara]

EXPERIENCES OF THE LIGHT tee-hee “The entire universe past, present, and future collapsed down to a single Center upon which everything depends for its existence. It is That which does not change. It is the "Light" of Pure Consciousness which illuminates all things. It is the ultimate meaning of the enigmatic Biblical passage, "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light" (Matt. 6:22). It is the great Nothing-for it includes all things, and therefore, is Itself not a thing. That's how It gets to be the All-in-All. Furthermore, there was (and still is) absolutely no doubt as to Its authenticity anymore than one would doubt upon awakening from a dream that the waking state is "real" and that the dream was "just a dream." In short, God Himself took over my reins in the sense that "I" no longer existed as a distinct entity-only He exists, There was an overwhelming feeling of bliss, love, compassion, and strangely enough a foudroyant sense of deja vu. The knowledge obtained that the True Home and the True Self of all things had been miraculously revealed.” “My fears dissolved as the light grew. This childhood memory is similar to the visual experience of going towards the light, but the feelings and emotions could not have been more different. I was experiencing pleasure beyond what my human mind had ever imagined. As the light grew and overpowered the darkness, I came into the most beautiful place I have ever seen.” “When it swallowed me whole, an explosion of Ecstasy and Love started from my belly and expanded into the light itself. Soon, I became the Light” “Upon seeing this shimmering Light that is indescribably beautiful, I had a revelation. This Light is not, in the strictest sense, "God" in the traditional meaning of the bibles of various religions, including Christianity. This Light, which is an energy gestalt, is an aggregation of many multitudes of immortal souls from all walks of life, e.g., plants, mammals, fish, and is collectively a life-force. This Light is a life-force from which all life is originated, and is neither a single entity, for each immortal soul is part of "God," nor multiple entities, for each immortal soul is but a part of the collective entity, i.e., this Light is in a broad sense a single "God" who sits on a throne in heaven that rewards or punishes souls. Without this life-force, i.e., energy gestalt, there is no life on earth, or any inhabitable planet in the universe. It is commonly asked, "Is God dead?" Is it not egocentric to believe that man still maintains that he was created by God in his image and likeness, even though the universe may be brimming with life? That God handed down the Commandments for Man alone? Those on earth who are in search of "God" are in vain, because they have already found "God": themselves; people need only look into themselves to find a sense of purpose or faith from religion, and therefore find that there is a God, i.e., Light, on a throne in heaven who punishes or rewards souls.” “As I approached the light, my speed slowed and I noticed the incredible warmth emanating from the light, unlike any warmth I had ever felt. When I was nearly in the light, if such a thing can be described as such, I had stopped and was floating in front of a figure which looked human, though the background light was so bright that no face could be made out. The arms were held out as if to embrace me and I wanted nothing more than to be in that light.” “Then I went into the light just like you would jump into a swimming pool. I was completely covered by the light. Out of the middle for the light came a voice, it said everything would be all right. I have never felt such peace, there was no pain, and the love I felt there was so great there are no enough word in the world to tell you how great it was!!!” “I entered into the light, and was transformed by a feeling of utter absolute joy. There was nothing but joy. I said to the light "I'm here", and the light said "Great" in a voice that rang with happiness and bliss. I gave myself up to the bliss and learned many things that sound corny when described but are truths for me that resonate through me now and forever. I learned that I am eternal and though I may experience many forms of death, I will always know who I am. I have nothing to fear, only more to experience and I am the one that ultimately chooses what I experience. It sounds hokey but believe me it feels really, really good to know these things inside yourself. Eventually, I became disenchanted with eternal bliss and decided to leave. I said to the light "I'm leaving" and the light said "Great" continuing it's utter joyous and blissful existence unaltered in anyway by my presence.” “However at that critical moment I pleaded for an answer to the riddle of Life as that thought had fully engrossed me! There was a beautiful vision of stars roaring past me. At the centre of all that tumult was a glowing light. Each star appeared to be a minute centre of consciousness. It was merging into & emerging from the central consciousness as desired by that cosmic WILL which shone like a very huge sun!” EXPERIENCES OF THE TUNNEL “Suddenly, I felt myself being pulled very swiftly through total blackness to the entrance of a churning tunnel, its walls reflecting the neon-blue color that my noncorpeal body was emitting. I still had all of my faculties and feelings. The feeling that I had was that the ties that bound me to the earthly world were cut. A low, steady droning sound filled the narrow passageway, this sound coming not from the walls but from me. As a profoundly deaf individual, hearing this sound was beautiful, since it brought comfort as would a mother's voice for a child. Strangely enough, although I had no limbs and was flying as would a hummingbird, I was not frightened. I was merely a shimmering light. In reminiscing, because I was in another dimension, it would logically follow that I could not be in the same form. It was as if I had shed the cumbersome earthly body, and was in the natural, free form that was not human. As I continued instinctively through the churning tunnel that moved in all directions, up, down, and side to side, the droning sound from my wings in the manner of a hummingbird being the only sound, a bright shimmering Light at the end of the churning tunnel increasingly drowned out the blackness of the tunnel, as well as the neon-blue light that the walls were reflecting back to me.” “I remember at first being very cold and scared, in a place completely black except for a tiny shining light at the end, like a pinhole. I could feel the wind as I moved forward toward that light, slowly enough for me to see that I was in a fairly small tunnel as the light increased. I could see the texture of the sides of the tunnel looking like a rough, earthen tunnel might.” “My next realization was that I was in a tunnel. I estimate the size of this tunnel to be a diameter of six to seven feet. I could stand without touching the top. My height was five foot ten inches. Immediately I was hurling along the tunnel much faster than I wished. The speed was tremendous. I was scared. Somewhere along my journey in this tunnel I slowed to a stop and a man calmed me and told me the trip was nearing an end. Away I went again at the same speed as before. I do not know how I survived the trip. The speed had to be at the speed of light or even faster. I felt no g-forces, only fear and the exhilaration of a terrible speed. Finally I stopped moving through the tunnel and had a good chance to look at it. The tunnel looked like a large vent pipe used on clothes dryers. The light was not primarily inside the tunnel but from the outside shinning in. During the trip inside the tunnel I heard a loud buzzing sound which hurt my ears.” “A cool gray fog enveloped me and swirled into a tunnel of light, taking me upward into the heavens. I felt this increasing love come to me and at the same time a faint sound growing stronger and stronger, swelling up and surrounding me into a rich full “HUUU.” The hum was also centered inside me.” “From out of the corner of my left eye I saw a spark of white light come from behind me, I turned around in the direction that the spark of light came from and saw a portal of sparking white light, and the feeling of Unconditional Love coming from the portal, I flew through that portal so fast as if my britches were on fire” “An immediate sense of fright came over me as I floated upwards towards a huge long tunnel that resembled a party hat on its side. The opening that I came through was large but at the end of the tunnel the exit became smaller and there was a bright bright light almost blinding at the end.” “Soon I came to the entrance of a tunnel in the black. The tunnel seemed to be constructed of gray cloudlike material and wound far away and up to the right. Then it branched and I couldn't see where it led. From the branching on the right extended a yellow white light that helped to softly illuminate the tunnel. I glanced down at myself and noticed that my body was gone. It had been replaced by a blue white light sort of equilimbed cross/star that pulsed. This seemed" natural and pleasant to me at the time. It was very freeing to no longer be attached to a weighty form. Looking back into the tunnel, I noticed there were doorways in both sides of the structure. A few other cross/stars were wandering about in the tunnel, some blue like myself, some amber colored. Two other blue cross/stars appeared beside me and gently propelled me into the tunnel. I floated along and up observing that some "door-ways" were open while others seemed to have been shut. The first doorway I peered into resembled a classic Hell.”

[LucidFlanders]

Why is it always the same thing? pure love. If these are not real and just our brains, does that mean deep down we know our real purpose in life is to love and be loved? seems to be the only message you get from these things. Why is chemicals in the brain the most important thing in your life? why not something else? why love?

[juroara]

THE LIFE REVIEW "At some point, I underwent what has been called the “life-review process,” for I saw my life from beginning to end all at once. I participated in the real life dramas of my life, almost like a holographic image of my life going on before me – no sense of past, present or future, just now and the reality of my life. It wasn’t as though it started with birth and ran along to my life at the University of Moscow. It all appeared at once. There I was. This was my life. I didn’t experience any sense of guilt or remorse for things I’d done. I didn’t feel one way or another about my failures, faults or achievements. All I felt was my life for what it is. And I was content with that. I accepted my life for what it is. During this time, the light just radiated a sense of peace and joy to me. It was very positive. I was so happy to be in the light. And I understood what the light meant. I learned that all the physical rules for human life were nothing when compared to this universal reality." "The events of my life up to that point were unhurriedly and nonjudgmentally reviewed in great detail-not in chronological order, but somehow all at once-although some events were emphasized more intensely than others. Subsequently, "I" was allowed to exist again (there was no choice in the matter-it simply happened) and was given the opportunity to be aware of anything that I wanted to be aware of with the understanding that time was not a factor; indeed, there was "all the time in the world." I proceeded to focus on this or that aspect of my life and concluded that there wasn't too much to be ashamed of " "He stood beside me and directed me to look to my left, where I was replaying my life's less complementary moments, I relived those moments and felt not only what I had done but also the hurt I had caused, some of the things I would have never imagined could have caused pain, I was surprised that some things I may have worried about, like shoplifting a chocolate as a child, were not there whilst casual remarks which caused hurt unknown to me at the time were counted, when I became burdened with guilt I was directed to other events which gave joy to others, although I felt unworthy it seemed the balance was in my favor, I received great Love." " Later my guide turned me over to another man and this man explained to me that I would now go through my life's review. During this review which lasted about one second or less, I saw all that I had previously seen while living on earth. I relived every conversation I had had. I saw each pet I had owned. I saw again each piece of clothing I had worn. I relived every class I had attended in school. I saw everything again." " Even my shortcomings were mentioned in love and understanding." "The next thing I knew I was seeing a sleeping baby I knew to be me. I watched with fascination as I saw the highlights of each stage of my life. It was like seeing a circular movie screen and many different scenes flashing by at tremendous speeds. Somehow I was able to see and grasp not only what was happening, but the feelings I was experiencing at the time as well as the emotions I caused in others. I watched and felt my mother’s shame as she bore me out of wedlock right up to the elation of love and the crushing pain of rejection and betrayal. I understood the fear and insecurities of the man that caused my pain and his own guilt upon breaking up with me upon learning of my pregnancy. I felt every good or bad deed I had ever done and it’s consequences upon others. It was a difficult time for me, but I was supported by unconditional love and weathered the painful parts." "While I did not sense a life review on specific terms, I was shown, by understanding- not pictures or movies, many significant things in my life. The good and the bad. All focused on my contributions- how I handled myself. I remember the almost palpable absence of all fear. I was made to understand that this fear is what underlies many of our poor choices. That there is nothing to fear. I felt compassion toward myself like I never could imagine possible." "I reviewed my life and I did the judging."

[killguta]

http://bibleprobe.com/ekechukwu.htm http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/past...g-resurrection . Read this.

[Arutad]

Why is it always the same thing? pure love. If these are not real and just our brains, does that mean deep down we know our real purpose in life is to love and be loved? seems to be the only message you get from these things. Why is chemicals in the brain the most important thing in your life? why not something else? why love? I was wondering the same... Juroara, are there any NDEs among the 1000 you're quoting from that happened to be nightmarish? A scientist can try to explain what physical processes in the brain created the experience. But for this, one first has to examine the subjective experience of the NDE. I have to disagree, because subjective experiences prove nothing. When you're LDing you know that nothing is real, although you experience everything very vividly. And when you're dreaming normally, you actually think that everything is real, although it is not. So things aren't that simple, you cannot judge realness by subjective contents of your experiences. Whether these NDEs were real or only subjective experiences would be of great interest to discover for certain, but what makes you think that you can judge by contents? This thread is not to debate whether or not their experience was real. But to understand why these individuals would feel their experience is real. To understand how their experience is vastly different from normal dreams and hallucinations. And to understand how their experience effected them emotionally or mentally. There are other experiences that people think are real, like astral projecting or OOBEs, and they're alike in the same manner: all people who experience them often experience the same things. Does it make them real? As a subjective experience it does, but not in the sense of a solid second reality. Not unless somebody proves it in some way other than recounting what they saw.

[juroara]

I was wondering the same... Juroara, are there any NDEs among the 1000 you're quoting from that happened to be nightmarish? one step at a time, I'm getting to them! Hellish experiences are more rare. There's a few I read years ago. But I'm trying to weed my way through these experiences one page at a time. So it might take me a while to collect enough enough hellish experiences. I want a handful so you can compare them. I have to disagree, because subjective experiences prove nothing. I don't think you understand what I meant. It had nothing to do with subjective experiences proving anything true or false. The question at hand is why these subjective experiences can be so similar. Why they share traits. Why they share themes. Such as the light, such as the tunnel, such as the life review, and in many cases, in that order. When you take the time to study NDEs, you realize they are not arbitrary or random. If NDEs were as diverse as dreams, that is, sharing little in common, no one would care. It would just be known as dreams you have almost dead. This is the question being posed onto the scientific community. If NDEs are just hallucinations caused in the brain, why do they share so many common traits? Why aren't they arbitrary or random? Assuming it is caused by a physical process? For the scientific community to tackle this challenging question, it first has to KNOW what those common traits are. Thus, someone has to take the time and understand the near death experience as a whole. That was all I meant. And the purpose of this thread, to understand the near death experience as a whole. Whether these NDEs were real or only subjective experiences would be of great interest to discover for certain, but what makes you think that you can judge by contents? Why not read the 1000 experiences for yourself? When they start to sound like broken disks, you'll understand. There are other experiences that people think are real, like astral projecting or OOBEs, and they're alike in the same manner: all people who experience them often experience the same things. Does it make them real? As a subjective experience it does, but not in the sense of a solid second reality. Not unless somebody proves it in some way other than recounting what they saw. the only important thing to understand is that the experience of the astral projection is real enough, real enough that anyone can experience it. real enough in that it is a different subjective experience from regular dreams, or even lucid dreams. which is why it isn't called lucid dreaming. I am not saying this means that it is an objective experience of reality. Only that it is different enough to give it another name. But in my opinion youre statement that "all people who experience them often experience the same things" isn't exactly true. Astral projections are as diverse as dreams. Which is why many people think they are just lucid dreams. With NDEs we can list the themes, and cross reference NDE experiences. See how those themes were different, or how they were the same. I'm not saying all NDEs are the same. They aren't. But even the ones I find that break the mold, still have common traits.

[LucidFlanders]

This is the question being posed onto the scientific community. If NDEs are just hallucinations caused in the brain, why do they share so many common traits? Why aren't they arbitrary or random? Assuming it is caused by a physical process? Because everyone who expieriences them say this is how it works, so the next person will know what will happen and follow the same pattern.

[Xetrov]

Because everyone who expieriences them say this is how it works, so the next person will know what will happen and follow the same pattern. Yes but there are vast masses of people totally unaware of the typical NDE experience, and yet they too have NDE experiences that share similarities. So this is only a semi-valid point at best, I think.

[Scatterbrain]

How does a common theme or themes in NDEs prove they're supernatural experiences? We are all of the same species, we share the same DNA, it's not surprising if we share similar experiences in death. Please have some respect for these individuals, with an open mind, try not to insult their intelligence. Once our minds are fully awake in the morning, we have the intelligence and reason to distinguish dreaming and waking. These individuals claim their experience is not a dream. That their experience was real. I think it's ironic finding this in a lucid dreaming forum. An avid dreamer will tell you that dreams can be as real or more real than waking life.

[LucidFlanders]

How does a common theme or themes in NDEs prove they're supernatural experiences? We are all of the same species, we share the same DNA, it's not surprising if we share similar experiences in death. If it's all the same, why different expieriences and not the same then? Similar, but not the same, and some don't expierience. There is more then the same species, and same DNA to consider considering all types of expieriences/non expieriences. Just like if these are processes, why do alot not go through what these select few go through? out of say 1500 people who have cardiact arrest, say 3% have this. What makes them more special then anyone else when everyone goes through the same thing? i guess perhaps a trait? edit- by 1500 i mean 1500 who survived.

[Scatterbrain]

Obviously we wouldn't all experience exactly the same thing. Sleep paralysis is an excelent example to look at here: just a small percentage of the population suffers from it, the experience varies from person to person but there are recurring themes. Why people experience what they do in NDEs is a question better suited to ask a neurologist.

[sleepingdog]

The purpose of this thread then is to share these NDEs...This thread is not to debate whether or not their experience was real i hope you're not feeling swamped juroara. im enjoying the read, sidetracks aside.

[juroara]

that's sleepingdog, might take me a while to get the next installments going How does a common theme or themes in NDEs prove they're supernatural experiences? if you would like to debate whether or not the NDE is an objective or subjective experience, take it to one of many moonshines thread the purpose of this thread is to share and understand the depth of the experience of near death

[juroara]

http://bibleprobe.com/ekechukwu.htm http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/past...g-resurrection . Read this. I've read a few other stories that were similar. I remember reading a story where a man was supposedly dead for three days *no not Jesus!*. They had already placed the mans body in the freezer these are amazing stories, too amazing that even I take with a grain of salt!

[juroara]

This is a fairly short NDE. In the classic NDE, you have the near death, the OBE, the tunnel, some sort of heavenly experience, the life review, and being told you have to go back for one reason or another. In shorter NDEs, you're just short of some of those elements. I'm just posting it if you are unfamiliar with what NDEs are like. If you are familiar with your NDEs, skip it. "I began to feel my life slipping away and my thoughts were of my babies and what would happen to them, who would love and take care of them? My hearing was excellent, I could hear every word being exchanged in that room. There were two physicians present and three assistants. I could tell they were concerned as they tried to obtain a heart beat and blood pressure, At this moment, I began to slowly float toward the ceiling where I stopped and looked down at the scene taking place below. There was my lifeless body on the table and one doctor said to the doctor just walking through the door, "where have you been, we called you, now its too late, she is gone, we can not get a heart beat or blood pressure." Another doctor said, " what are we going to tell her husband, he's on assignment in England and only been gone a week." From my position above them, I said to myself, "Yes, what are you going to tell my husband, that is a good question. Pretty thoughtful of you." I remember thinking at that point, "How can I be humorous at a time like this?" I did not see myself below on the table or the occupants of the room anymore. I was suddenly aware of the most heavenly light that was all encompassing. My pain was gone and my body felt as never before, free. I felt joy and contentment. I heard the most beautiful music that could only have come from heaven, I was thinking, "so this is how heavenly music sounds." I became aware of a sense of peace that passes all understanding. I began to look at this light and perceived what was happening to me and I never wanted to leave. I was in the presence of a divine being, one called the Son of God, Jesus. I did not see Him, but He was there in the light and spoke to me telepathically. I felt the overflowing Love of God. He said to me that I had to return to my little children and there was work for me to complete on earth. I did not want to leave but I slowly returned to my body, which by this time was in another room, being prepared for surgery. I became conscious long enough for staff to explain that my heart began to beat again" And that experience brings me to my next NDE pattern!! That phrase TV has popularized! 'It's not your time!' To Be or Not to Be! "I knew that the man on the other side of the wall was going to take me to God....He was gentle, compassionate, and focused on me. I looked into his eyes and suddenly knew it wasn't my time to die. I was stunned, I knew if I just stepped over the wall I could go on - that I had a choice, but he and I both knew I must return. As I looked into his face I said, "It's not my time." And he replied, "No, it Isn't." " 'You must return, you have a task to perform.', I wanted to argue, I wanted to stay, I glanced back at Granddad (deceased) and was propelled quickly towards the entrance, at the threshold all became blackness, nothing, no awareness." "I was in the presence of a divine being, one called the Son of God, Jesus. I did not see Him, but He was there in the light and spoke to me telepathically. I felt the overflowing Love of God. He said to me that I had to return to my little children and there was work for me to complete on earth. I did not want to leave but I slowly returned to my body, which by this time was in another room, being prepared for surgery." well you get the idea, being told you have work to do is pretty common place in the NDE! So I was shocked when I had found an experience with just the opposite. The Mother who was told NOT to Return.... "Shortly after his birth I had the most horrific dream that I would be in a terrible car crash that would take my life... As I was exiting the freeway with usual caution, I made a left hand turn on a light that had been green for some time. This was my lucky day I thought. Then in an instant I was gone. Immediately I was in the most beautiful serene place I had ever been. My grandfather, another person whom I had known in a previous life, and a guardian were ready to help me with the transition. They told me of the accident, showed me the site. It was my time to come home they said. The overwhelming love and happiness of that place was so inviting. I could feel myself becoming lighter each moment. In a fit of fear and panic I began crying. No, I couldn't be dead. What would happen to my son? He was seven months old! He would never remember me. His father didn't even know how to take care of him. I didn't want him raised by his father's parents. No, no, no...this was not the time to go. They were wrong. In an embrace of love they calmed me by showing me that my son, my entire family would be okay after my death. My mother could lean on my grandmother. It would take time, but she would heal. My husband, hurt, sad, and lonely would also heal and eventually find love once again. Death is part of the lessons we are to learn on earth, and my death was an important lesson for those involved in my life. I was shown my funeral, taught how to be near those I loved and told I could eventually communicate with those whose spirits were open. I could accept this. They would be fine. I was feeling lighter all the time. But wait...my son. I couldn't leave my son! Babies need their mommies. I needed to be his mommy. I couldn't let go. So much patience was shown to me - so much love. My guides explained that the feelings I was having were still a connection to my human side. Once my Human-ness wore off, I would feel light as air, utter happiness, and extreme love. Words do not do the feelings justice. They worked to help me throw off my human weight. The feelings were so great and seemed to pull me in stronger and stronger; yet my connection to my son was so strong. We wandered in this beautiful place for what seemed an eternity. We discussed my life, we discussed religion, we discussed secrets of the soul that as humans we must forget, lest we'd never be able to thrive on earth. All the while I was in awe. Some things were just as I always dreamed an afterlife would be; some I was just plain wrong and I remember thinking "wow". Where were my other loved ones? When could I see my other grandparents who had passed. 'In time - they were on a different plane.' When my transition was complete I could choose to go to other levels when I was ready. Every now and then thoughts of my son would make me heavy once again. I couldn't bear the thought of him growing up without a mother. I was told others would be a mother for me. First grandparents, and then they showed me Jake's life. He was the most beautiful boy, so happy, but with a touch of sadness that seemed to pierce his soul. This was his lesson to tackle. He knew coming into this life the main lessons he was to learn. It was meant to be. I saw a new mom for Jake when he was about 7 or 8. A beautiful woman, kind hearted who definitely cared for Jake, and treated him well, but she was to have her own child with my widowed husband and the love she showed for her own child was different and unequal to the love she showed for my child - her stepchild. This isn't what I dreamed for Jake. This couldn't be. I was happy for my husband. He was okay. He was happy. My son was a different story. Other lessons were learned in the constant-patient job of transitioning me to the other side. I had to let go. At times I became hysterical and then moments later I was calm and serene. I saw a girl child who had been meant in Jake's place, but before conception, plans changed and there was a need for Jake's spirit to take her place. There was much upheaval that Jake could help mend (and he did). At a time when I felt the closest to accepting my death, I experienced a resurge of sorrow and pain, longing for my son, for my life. I couldn't let go of my human life. My guides tried their hardest, they never gave up, they never became discouraged. It is unbelievable the amount of patience and love they exuded. Finally, my hysteria was calmed by a higher spirit who seemed to envelop me in love. My guides were instructed to allow me to return. Despite their pleas to allow them more time, they were told that at this point, my spirit would not rest. It was best to let me return, to settle my spirit, learn further lessons. My pleading won my return for the time being. I understood before my descent that my friends and family had lessons that were being postponed, but they would have to learn the lessons at some point that my death taught. Arrangements were made for when, where, how my spirit would return; what lessons were I to have enriched or acquire new. Some lessons learned in my arrival on the other side would have to be forgotten, and it was not good for my soul to know when I was dying again or else as a human I would focus on only that, especially as the time neared. The last things I remember were being taken back to the accident site, and just before my descent, I was told when my children were older it would be time to come home for good. I accepted it immediately, but then, wait! What qualifies as older? Does it mean only a few years older? Teenagers? Will I live to see them marry and have their own children?... I was told I was lucky to survive. A large utility truck ran a red light and hit the driver's side of my tiny compact car. Despite wearing a seatbelt the doctors say I would not have survived if it were not for the airbags to open, something that is not supposed to happen in a side impact. The first year after the accident was an attempt to live the best I could, the happiest I could. I was suffering however from severe pain from a fractured shoulder bone, broken ribs, and two hip fractures. I was told the pain should disappear in six months to a year at the worst. Three years later, the pain has not gone away. The second year however seemed to be the worst. I became so suicidal. All I wanted to do was to return to this place, this life that was so awesome, so love-filled, so joyous. My son, and later my daughter were the only things that made me go on. I was here for them. Today, only three years later I have accepted my return to earth, long to return to my after-life home, and struggle to find peace and happiness until my time here comes to its final end." ironic huh? she battled to live, and now seems to long for death.

[Jorge]

There amazing to read.

[Arutad]

one step at a time, I'm getting to them! Hellish experiences are more rare. There's a few I read years ago. But I'm trying to weed my way through these experiences one page at a time. So it might take me a while to collect enough enough hellish experiences. I want a handful so you can compare them. OK I'll wait. The question at hand is why these subjective experiences can be so similar. Why they share traits. Why they share themes. Such as the light, such as the tunnel, such as the life review, and in many cases, in that order. Do you honestly think that this question can be answered? Scatterbrain mentioned sleep paralysis here, and that's as good an example as any: cases of sleep paralyses are similar too. In case of sleep paralysis we know that it's needed not to act out our dreams, but the topic that you offer is hardly going to yield an answer close to the truth. I can see it going into the interpretation of visions and nowhere else. How are you planning to interprete them or what other plans do you have? This is the question being posed onto the scientific community. If NDEs are just hallucinations caused in the brain, why do they share so many common traits? Why aren't they arbitrary or random? Assuming it is caused by a physical process? I'd like to know if their randomness really is true. What do we know about NDEs from different cultural milieus?

[velinxs]

how real is reality? how real are dreams? how real are ndes? to determine whether or not these experiences are "real" one has to define "real" The mind is a receptive tool of perception, the delta mind seeks to know all and perceive all on a never ending quest of knowledge (think of a baby, whose minds are predominantly delta waves, babys never stop investigating their surroundings). i believe methos has a post about this but is reality even real when we are not perceiving it? research and you may find your findings surprising. reality = perception , dreams = perception , ndes = perception thus ndes and dreams = reality. it also would mean reality = a dream, which is what buddhists believe and i'm positive a lot of mystics agree. basically what is real to the mind should be treated as "real" in your definition of the term. to think life exists solely on this dimension of time and space where physics take place is what is inhibiting many of us from truly freeing our minds. it must be accepted that reality (and our minds) is much stranger and more multi-layered (as most mystics and those who claim cosmic intelligence would agree) than it appears to be. you don't have to believe these things are real, this is just my opinion, but i have also like most of you journeyed through the mind via meditation + brainwaves and i refuse to believe that life is a meaningless vast expansion on this planet. there are extra dimensions. both Jesus and Buddha knew this. you might not find that in the bible though. think about it like this, the earth has brainwaves (the Schumann resonance proves this) and all mammals have brainwaves... ELF electromagnetic low frequencies exist throughout our entire universe and the secret of consciousness (and what is called cosmic intelligence or "god consciousness") is in those ELF waves. oh and if you meditate to a .5 hz (with shortened wavelength) and focus your mind entirely upon your third eye chakra you will feel experiences similar to the NDEs described above. probably not quite as visual but it sure is the most euphoria i have ever gotten out of meditation or any brainwave session. it is hard to achieve this state though without a lot of practice, it took me a year of two hour meditation sessions every day to be able to achieve a full delta experience. which was like pure love and lifting, as described, except i was conscious and crying. I came to terms with everything in my life because why fight with life when there is just so much beauty in the world. I literally watched what felt like the birth of the universe, a light all encompassing made of pure love. if you don't believe me google around and you'll find reports of people who would meditate to near death experience, this is how suspended animation is achieved and that is proven to exist. it's reported to be so heavenly and divine that to awake from suspended animation is like self inflicted torture. EDIT: when i referred to "methos' post" i was referring to a different forum called transparentcorp.com where he regulars, i recommend this site and forum the people are very knowledgeable.

[killguta]

how real is reality? how real are dreams? how real are ndes? to determine whether or not these experiences are "real" one has to define "real" The mind is a receptive tool of perception, the delta mind seeks to know all and perceive all on a never ending quest of knowledge (think of a baby, whose minds are predominantly delta waves, babys never stop investigating their surroundings). i believe methos has a post about this but is reality even real when we are not perceiving it? research and you may find your findings surprising. reality = perception , dreams = perception , ndes = perception thus ndes and dreams = reality. it also would mean reality = a dream, which is what buddhists believe and i'm positive a lot of mystics agree. basically what is real to the mind should be treated as "real" in your definition of the term. to think life exists solely on this dimension of time and space where physics take place is what is inhibiting many of us from truly freeing our minds. it must be accepted that reality (and our minds) is much stranger and more multi-layered (as most mystics and those who claim cosmic intelligence would agree) than it appears to be. you don't have to believe these things are real, this is just my opinion, but i have also like most of you journeyed through the mind via meditation + brainwaves and i refuse to believe that life is a meaningless vast expansion on this planet. there are extra dimensions. both Jesus and Buddha knew this. you might not find that in the bible though. think about it like this, the earth has brainwaves (the Schumann resonance proves this) and all mammals have brainwaves... ELF electromagnetic low frequencies exist throughout our entire universe and the secret of consciousness (and what is called cosmic intelligence or "god consciousness") is in those ELF waves. oh and if you meditate to a .5 hz (with shortened wavelength) and focus your mind entirely upon your third eye chakra you will feel experiences similar to the NDEs described above. probably not quite as visual but it sure is the most euphoria i have ever gotten out of meditation or any brainwave session. it is hard to achieve this state though without a lot of practice, it took me a year of two hour meditation sessions every day to be able to achieve a full delta experience. which was like pure love and lifting, as described, except i was conscious and crying. I came to terms with everything in my life because why fight with life when there is just so much beauty in the world. I literally watched what felt like the birth of the universe, a light all encompassing made of pure love. if you don't believe me google around and you'll find reports of people who would meditate to near death experience, this is how suspended animation is achieved and that is proven to exist. it's reported to be so heavenly and divine that to awake from suspended animation is like self inflicted torture. EDIT: when i referred to "methos' post" i was referring to a different forum called transparentcorp.com where he regulars, i recommend this site and forum the people are very knowledgeable. I agree with you 100%! in some cases What if we were the gods of our own realms? What if there's no heaven or hell, just "paradis"? What if this "realm" is built with our thoughts and some shaped it, without knowing it, into heaven or hell? But this is just a speculation and I hate myself for becoming the "loony" believer, but I can't deny what I have experienced in my life.

[Kuhnada29]

What mystics thought about death and meditation "With intangible breath in center of forehead, as this reaches heart at the moment of sleep, have direction over dreams and over death itself." Taken from ChaybaChayba's WILD thread.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Very delightful readig it must say! Thank you for finding all these quotes. I advise all of you to listen to music while reading, the music has to be fitting though. The music can enhance the meaning of the words. (I listened to Zoosters Breakout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcPoyqoanRY )

[moonshine]

The question at hand is why these subjective experiences can be so similar. Why they share traits. Why they share themes. Such as the light, such as the tunnel, such as the life review, and in many cases, in that order. When you take the time to study NDEs, you realize they are not arbitrary or random. If NDEs were as diverse as dreams, that is, sharing little in common, no one would care. It would just be known as dreams you have almost dead. This is the question being posed onto the scientific community. If NDEs are just hallucinations caused in the brain, why do they share so many common traits? Why aren't they arbitrary or random? Assuming it is caused by a physical process? I'm sorry, but if the "question at hand" is really "why these subjective experiences can be so similar" then why do you seem to be discouraging discussion of one potential source of answers? In any event, I've added possible (some might even say probable) answers here, for anyone who's interested in why NDE's can be so similar. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=80944 Turns out its a lot to do with the thing all human beings have in common.

[LucidFlanders]

I think we need a forum called "NDE" or something, seems all the talk is about that now.

[Scatterbrain]

if you would like to debate whether or not the NDE is an objective or subjective experience, take it to one of many moonshines thread the purpose of this thread is to share and understand the depth of the experience of near death You should have a mentioned in the OP that the thread was just for posts based on the assumption that the experiences are supernatural.