Thread: Psionics

I like the way this guy explains them, as a physical exercise and nothing supernatural. However, I am going to try these exercises out for a while first...then I'll give my opinion

Quite fictional.

Wow this guys put a lot of effort into writing this.

Either it is real,
He is a really good liar with some kind of legitimate reason for lieing, like perhaps money,
Or he is crazy...like he says he might be.

I'm going to dedicate myself to actually trying these excercises...but honestly I doubt the validity of the claim because if the author can do all these things why isn't he showing the world that he can do them rather than telling people how to do them? (or better yet both).

His OBE claims make me larf.

Essentially what he is claim as OBE's are really just situations where you carry consciousness into the dream state...

WILD anyone? Hehe. It makes me wonder about his other claims when I can so easily discount that one...

I'm a psion!
I have been for about 7 months now.

For years, I've been able to make psi balls that I could feel between my hands, but I've always had my suspicions that it's just me tricking my mind into "feeling" something though. Very convincing trickery, though.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Essentially what he is claim as OBE's are really just situations where you carry consciousness into the dream state...

You know, a lot of people think that you can't be conscious while dreaming, if you aren't asleep it's just a daydream. Just saying, it was interesting to me how you phrased that. (Although yeah, I totally believe that's just WILDing)

So, yeah, I dop believe that psionics exist, I don't, however, believe that it's something that gcan be harnessed easily like these "Psichics" say. One's mind can affect mater, since the mind is a pattern of energy and energy affects matter, I just don't think that it is that simple to brink these coincidences and unconscious effects under conscious control. (Like poltergeists, that's the perfect example of what I'm talking about, if you believe in thw\em.)

Originally Posted by tkdyo

I like the way this guy explains them, as a physical exercise and nothing supernatural. However, I am going to try these exercises out for a while first...then I'll give my opinion

I'm trying them as well. I can pool psi in my abdomen and direct its flow within my body (up to my chest, through my arms, etc.) but have been unable to form a substantial, easy-to-feel psi ball yet.

More practice, I guess. The guy said it took him a week of trying to make a psi ball when he first started.



@ Sandform: Wow, a triple post! Must be a new record!
Btw I don't mind that you disagree. I welcome arguments and opposition!

I believe in psionics, having been able to do some minor telekinesis myself (excersises from psipog, no less). But I, along with every other psion I know of, know that TK isn't practical enough to use for anything other than its own sake... but it's pretty freekin awesome to be able to do it

well, I have the same results as some other people have been having...I can feel a ball in my hands, but idk if I am tricking myself. I am not in a deep meditative state when I do these exercises so I suppose it is harder to trick yourself in to feeling these kind of things if you are quite aware of your surroundings

I've been able to create psionic shields. I'm sertian they are real because they have done things independent form my expectations Plus I have a friend who messes with me a bit. gives proof that It is independent of my thoughts and whatnot

I tried to develop psionic powers when I was in elementary and middle school.

I felt the prickling when I pointed my finger tips at one another, but I don't think that's proof of any kind of psychic ability. Most likely its a nerve signal of some kind related to your body's ability to keep track of where its limbs are. At the most your finger tips can sense the electro magnetic field created by your nervous system, although I think thats a bit unlikely since that field has to be incredibly weak, otherwise how could a person use a compass?

Anyway the fact that I always imagined that the practice created a cylinder and that people on the web talk about psi balls suggests that its not any kind of real telekinetic energy.

I would like to add that as a child I never watched dragon ball Z. Draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by MadHatter17

I would like to add that as a child I never watched dragon ball Z. Draw your own conclusions.

That should be like a qualifying statement after ever opinion any person on Earth gives...that or I never cared about what happened after freezer died...

Well I actually meant it with slight significance. Since I'd never watched the show or played (Is it tekken that has Haduken?), the idea of a ball of psychic energy was not something I thought of. Thus when I tried the pointing finger tips at one another thing, I didn't go to that image and instead visualized a cylinder.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

well, I have the same results as some other people have been having...I can feel a ball in my hands, but idk if I am tricking myself. I am not in a deep meditative state when I do these exercises so I suppose it is harder to trick yourself in to feeling these kind of things if you are quite aware of your surroundings

You have to believe that you aren't tricking yourself, and keep doing it.

I tried the basic exercise. I've had previous training in this sort of thing, but only as a chi focus, though once before I (unsuccessfully) atte,pted moving a ball of paper. Instead of trying to force the energy, or tell it where to go with my mind, I pictured the next place it should go (upper abdomen, heart, split across the chest, shoulders, arms, wrists, hands, between hands), and sort of breathed it forward, like ebb and flow sort of thing, going three steps forward and two back, metaphorically. It wasdn't actually breathing, it was, like, the same thig as breathing but not using lungs or muscles. So, I focused on directing the "energy" to a space between my handsabout the size of a soccer ball, the whole time sort of sliding back down the wall until the space between my hands was directly over my solar plexus. It eventually started feeling vaguely like a sphere, I focuses more on the area around the surface of the "sphere" and continued to let the energy, real or imagined, continue as it was, but without leaving the globular area I had defined between my fingertips and, eventually, my palms as well. When I couldn't get myself to make it any more "dense," I tried moving my hands, and there was a pulling feeling against the skin of my palms and fingers, like when you stick your hand to a large glob of silly putty and let it melt to your skin, then try to move your hand. I tried again, the same feeling of suction where there should have been nothing. I tried pushing my hands inward, and I couldn't move my arms very far because they may have fallen partially asleep, but my hands felt pressure, and the skin of the palms was actually flattenign (It appeared that the skin was staying in place on my arms for some reason and warping the skin on my hands, not that I was pressing anything). It felt sort of like a mostly-full basketball (not squishy, but not firm unless pressured) coated with a thin layer of silly putty. I allowed a rift to form opposite me, directly above me, and "allowed" the "energy" to release, slowly, in a sort of low-density column the width of the steadil increasing, mre and more circular rift, until it begam to collapse from a sphere to a sort of molten/squished/flatttened basketball shae, and my hands feall to each side.

Really weird. Most of it I can explain, but some of it I can't. I expect I could explain it, if I had recorded it or written it down precisely I may have been able to find stuff that the current anatomical and neural sciences could explain, but maybe not. (Anyway, after that, I felt all drained, like I had been running only without the effect of asthma, and the weird thing is that since then I've only just started feeling, even lightly, the fuzzy "energy"-y feeling between my gut and solar plexus that i can usually feel if I concentrate even a little.)

I've had some experiences which make me undecided whether it was esp or coincidence, so I like to keep a hopeful open mind.

However, most, if not all of the esp claims seem like bullshit. Why all the paper-wheel spinning, pen-on-a-table rolling and etc?

It would be so much more credible if the supposed telekinetics made videos of floating water or sand.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

It would be so much more credible if the supposed telekinetics made videos of floating water or sand.

Do you have any idea how DIFFICULT that is? Even the more advanced telekinetics can only slide books, let alone lift an object. It can and has been done, but the best I've heard of is with a ping pong ball, several inches of lift at most. Liquid or sand? It's just too much. If someone could do that, they'd be lifting the lighter objects and flicking them around with expert precision. That would be the first example of practical telekinesis I've ever seen.

Rantoff.

It's not too much.

If one could "mentally" create an horizontal force strong enough to slide a book, then no doubt he could also create a vertical force able to lift an amount of sand or water with the same weight as the book.

Even someone who can just move well a paper-wheel should be able to lift at least a small water drop.

Rather conveniently, "psionics" only seem to be able to create movements which can easily be faked.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

It's not too much.

If one could "mentally" create an horizontal force strong enough to slide a book, then no doubt he could also create a vertical force able to lift an amount of sand or water with the same weight as the book.

Even someone who can just move well a paper-wheel should be able to lift at least a small water drop.

Rather conveniently, "psionics" only seem to be able to create movements which can easily be faked.

If you take yoda in to account If you truly are able to control lifting or moving anything you can move anything.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

It's not too much.

If one could "mentally" create an horizontal force strong enough to slide a book, then no doubt he could also create a vertical force able to lift an amount of sand or water with the same weight as the book.

Even someone who can just move well a paper-wheel should be able to lift at least a small water drop.

Rather conveniently, "psionics" only seem to be able to create movements which can easily be faked.

I'm going to make an opinion that the reason why it'll be harder to move a pile of sand or water is that there is too much to concentrate at once? There is only one item, like a book etc. Its easier compared to having to concentrate on small specs of pieces. That's like trying to roll hundreds of pencils at once. That'd be too hard. It could possibly kill you. Just a thought.

I just tried sliding a little peice of paper across my desk.

I failed. My head hurts.

I better keep practicing.

Originally Posted by Eos

I'm going to make an opinion that the reason why it'll be harder to move a pile of sand or water is that there is too much to concentrate at once? There is only one item, like a book etc. Its easier compared to having to concentrate on small specs of pieces. That's like trying to roll hundreds of pencils at once. That'd be too hard. It could possibly kill you. Just a thought.

Then how about a plastic bag?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Then how about a plastic bag?

You mean put them in a plastic bag? I guess that could work. X3