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      Originally posted by gulland45
      listen i'm new and know little but one thing i do know is that the best way to clear the mind is sleep when you wake up it is just so peacful (somtimes)
      Maybe this is just me... but that doesn't seem to have much to do with this topic.
      Is this a mis-post perhaps?
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      so anyway.
      wtf has this crap got to do with dreaming?
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      Placebo self hypnosis and meditation are not one and the same.
      Self hypnosis is always a trance, not every meditation (form) is a trance.
      Pure meditation isnt even a trance.
      Of course they have links and u can easely mix them etc but there not the same thing.
      So they can be related but there absolutely not one and the same.

      But of course because self hypnosis is a suggestion tool for consciousness it could make you imagine things
      that are not there, of course that depends all on the suggestions that are used.
      Its not so that every suggestion is an illusion in selfhypnosis.
      Selfhypnosis is nothing more then the convertion of a suggestion into an association for your consciousness.
      PPl use that for example to lower there heartbeat with and that works.
      But of course when i would want to c naked woman and use self hypnosis for that, then i can experience
      that also and indeed it are then illusions.
      So u got a point, only you cant use it well here, its an option nothing more nothing less.
      Because how would u want to check if its an illusion or real?
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      Agreed - lucid dreaming and self hypnosis and meditation are not the same things.
      But they have strong links, for example the lowering of normal conscious barriers

      So u got a point, only you cant use it well here, its an option nothing more nothing less. [/b]
      I've lost track of what 'here' is
      Is this about the possibility of paranormal abilities being hallucinations?
      If so, I've proven this for myself at least - I have a video of myself doing telekinesis now
      Modest, but it satisfies me for 2 weeks of practice
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      Hi Placebo

      I ment with 'here' the post where u asked if the psi balls coming from selfhypnosis
      could be an illusion.
      Yes they could be, but no way to test that for real that i ment with it
      Still asking that question was a good one.

      You done telekinesis?
      What have you done then?
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      Ok, a lot of people are interested in pyrokinesis, it seems, so ere' go:

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      Pyrokinesis

      Pyrokinesis: The manipulation and production of fire and heat. Most of us have heard of it, seen it on tv, or even tried it. But for those of you who do not understand the concept of pyrokinesis, here it is. Pyrokinesis is the manipulation of fire, but it is not what Hollywood poses it to be. Pyrokinesis can be mastered, though it would take years to accomplish, The most anyone should expect is to make a small ball of fire, which I have never done, but I have heard of an account of a person creating one. So, also if you see a pyrokinetic, DO NOT ask them to make a ball of fire. They will most likely not be that advanced, and they will get mad at you for asking them, because it is clear you would no nothing of the subject. The point of this article, is to give you a clear understanding of the concept of pyrokinesis, and to show you varies technieqes on how to accomplice this skill. But I warn you, pyrokinesis can be dangerous, and you could get burned. It also uses a lot of psi, so you might get a bad headache.

      Why should I learn pyrokinesis?

      There are many reasons for learning pyrokinesis. If you are the fire element, for example, you would be closer acoceated with your element, and you have natural talent on this subject, so you would be able to accomplish pk easier. Also, it could provide more proof of pyrokinesis. You will gain wisdom, and would have a better understanding of the concept of pyrokinesis and the fire element. Also, pyrokinesis can aid in certain situations. For example, if you become cold, and have no source of heat, you could provide warmth for yourself. If you didn’t have a match or lighter, you could light a candle with pyrokinesis. When you think of it, there are many reasons to learn pyrokinesis.

      Pyrokinesis and myth

      Television has gave people a false understanding of pyrokinesis. I am sure you have seen a television charecter wave his hand at an enemy, and shoot a fire beam at the target. This tells people that pyrokinesis is a skill for combat, and is a powerful skill, and and pyrokinectic can produce huge amounts of fire, with no affect what so ever. This is not true, pyrokinesis is not to terribly powerful, it could provide protection, if one studied it for years.

      Pyrokinesis Tech #1: Putting out a match

      Many say that the putting out the match tech is cryokinesis, but that is a false statement. If that were true, it would be hydrokinesis to, right? No. it is still manipulation of FIRE. But anyway, along with the tech.
      First light a match. Make sure that there is no wind, so it will no go out. Stare at it. Become one with it. When you feel connected to the flame, blur your vision. Slowly start to close your eyes, and see the flame going out while your eyes slowly close. See it lowering to the base, and then going out. It should go out before you close your eyes.
      Once you have mastered this, move on to bigger things. Small sticks on fire, a candle. Once you have mastered this, move on to the next technique.

      Pyrokinesis Tech #2: Moving a flame

      Once again, not telekinesis, but kind of like a part of it. Still manipulation of fire, so it is considered pyrokinesis still. OK, first, light a candle. As in the first tech, become one with the flame. It may help to put your hands around the candle’s flame. If you have ever moved a psi wheel, this will be easy for you. There are two ways to do this. One way is to create a tunnel between you and the flame. See the flame moving with the tunnel. The other tech uses will power, and you have to see the flame moving in some way (invision your hands attracting it whatever way you wish, see and wind blowing it, or just concentrate on it moving the way you want). Once you have this down, move on.

      Pyrokinesis Tech #3: Producing the fire

      To create a flame, get your energy flowing through your hands. See a flame flickering in your palms. You should start to feel a little heat. Once you feel the heat, see the flame getting hotter and hotter. Invision it slowly coming toward the object your wish to light (paper, or a candle wick). See it covering it, burning it. Feel it getting hotter and hotter. I have never accomplished this before, though I am almost positive that it is possible.

      Pyrokinesis Tech #4: Fire meditation

      Ok, this will aid in your connection with fire. First, close your eyes. Let your mind get into a light trance. Then, see fire all around you, attempt pk techs (in your mind), and just feel yourself getting WARM, not hot, you could burn yourself. Do this every night, and you will see a small improvement on you pk skills.

      BE CAREFUL, AND HAVE FUN!

      ~ wer

      Tech written by psipog:

      Fire and Ice

      by Rainsong


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      Every so often, a fictional character in a book (or in a movie, or on the telly) produces flame by 'magical' means. Sometimes this is done with a gesture; other times, the character just stares at the object in question. What the character is performing is a form of psychokinesis: 'pyrokinesis', the psionic generation of heat. Although usually associated with science fiction and horror flicks, pyrokinesis is real.

      Or at least, if it isn't, the article you're reading was written by a figment of your imagination.

      Like other psychokinetic abilities, pyrokinesis involves molecular manipulation. The idea is to make the molecules excited. By contrast, 'cryokinesis' cools objects down, by slowing the molecular dance. Cryokinesis seems to have acquired several names, varying by specific application and also the location of the speaker, as these things tend to do.

      Pyrokinesis seems to be better known and generally more popular than its opposite number. In fact, many people have never even heard of cryokinesis by any name, much less tried it. However, the techniques for both are similar, because, in both cases, the intention is to alter the speed of an object's molecular movement.

      At its most basic, and in its most well-known form, pyrokinesis may be accomplished by concentrating on, for example, the wick of a candle. After going through the usual preliminary procedures*, if you have any, visualize the wick as being made up of many thousands of swirling dots or spheres. As you visualize them, see them swirling faster and faster, and as they swirl faster and faster, feel them becoming hot...becoming hotter and hotter until they glow like miniature suns. When the dots are glowing brightly, bring part of your focus back to the wick as a whole, while still seeing and feeling the excited molecules. See the wick as a whole become hot and start to glow. Then, visualize it bursting into flame, perhaps accompanied by some sort of gesture, such as a flick of the hand or a snap of the fingers, if you are feeling dramatic.

      You may find that it is helpful, at least at first, to produce a psi ball around the wick while attempting this, not so much for sake of the energy as for concentration. It may also be helpful by way of preparation, to focus on an already-lit candle and use your mind to change the shape or movement of the flame; concentrate on the base of the flame, the faintly glowing blue part.

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      Ok, I hope those helped.
      "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
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      "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about."
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      "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
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      My Two Sense
      Fire and Ice
      a poem from Robert Frost

      first stanize
      Some say the world well end in fire
      Some say in ice
      For what i tasted of desire
      I favor those who go with fire

      ok i just had to say that becuase that one guy was talking about Pyrokinesis

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      A bit of a rant...

      Personally the words pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, burgerkinesis, ferrarikinesis and all the other kinesis' give me shivers down my spine.
      First of all, it sounds so... immature, and shoddy. Fluffbunnish
      Second of all, its inaccurate - 'telekinesis' for example means 'tele' (distanced) 'kinesis' (movement)
      However pyrokinesis simply means 'moving fire'. I could pick up a candle and stroll around my house - that is pyrokinesis

      So what should they be called?
      Well either 'changing fire with telekinesis', or a new word should be invented.
      So far I've fallen short of any decent new name - Telepyromutatio just doesnt roll off the tongue
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      out of curiousity, who here lucids their mind on a multi universal level?

      Anyone?
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