Thread: LD - Spiritual Perspective

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I had a cool Aboriginal Dreamtime dream where I was playing didjeridoo with an Aboriginal man in the Outback.

Did he teach you how to "Circular Breathe?"

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Did he teach you how to "Circular Breathe?"

I've never understood that concept: in AND out...at the same time??!!??!!

Originally Posted by Kordan

I've never understood that concept: in AND out...at the same time??!!??!!

I only saw it once when our tv reporter, who was exploring Australia, tried to do it. It was so funny, sounded like a huge fart.

Anyway, saxonharp, That is very distinct from what I've been doing while awake. I am always going for the complete calm, free of all shapes and senses.
But I like what you are saying, and it is something I would really like to experience.

I can see how the dream level could be helpful to reach the higher one.
It is completly aligning (not sure if this is the right word...I'm not a native english speaker) with my view, cause consciousness itself has nothing to do with the body; and you are talking about - dreaming, LD, source energy. (hierarchy)
There must be an awaken level in between.

I must try that.

Originally Posted by Kordan

I've never understood that concept: in AND out...at the same time??!!??!!

Practice with a soda straw stuck down in a glass of water (or whatever liquid you prefer). Breathe in through your nose so that both your lungs AND your cheeks are as full of air as they can possibly be (yes...puffy cheeks are the secret to circular breathing) Blow out through your mouth (using your diaphragm) until your lungs are about 1/2 empty then continue to blow out through your mouth by pushing the air in your cheeks out by constricting your mouth. As you are pushing out with your cheeks, use your diaphragm to draw air into your lungs through your nose very quickly to replenish your lungs and cheeks.

Rinse, repeat.

It takes some people longer than others to get it. Personally, I'm still working on it.

Have fun!

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Practice with a soda straw stuck down in a glass of water (or whatever liquid you prefer). Breathe in through your nose so that both your lungs AND your cheeks are as full of air as they can possibly be (yes...puffy cheeks are the secret to circular breathing) Blow out through your mouth (using your diaphragm) until your lungs are about 1/2 empty then continue to blow out through your mouth by pushing the air in your cheeks out by constricting your mouth. As you are pushing out with your cheeks, use your diaphragm to draw air into your lungs through your nose very quickly to replenish your lungs and cheeks.

Rinse, repeat.

It takes some people longer than others to get it. Personally, I'm still working on it.

Have fun!

Thanks I think I'll try it with a glass of water (not really a soda person).

Originally Posted by Kordan

Thanks I think I'll try it with a glass of water (not really a soda person).

Mount Olomana, the mountain in your sig.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Practice with a soda straw stuck down in a glass of water (or whatever liquid you prefer). Breathe in through your nose so that both your lungs AND your cheeks are as full of air as they can possibly be (yes...puffy cheeks are the secret to circular breathing) Blow out through your mouth (using your diaphragm) until your lungs are about 1/2 empty then continue to blow out through your mouth by pushing the air in your cheeks out by constricting your mouth. As you are pushing out with your cheeks, use your diaphragm to draw air into your lungs through your nose very quickly to replenish your lungs and cheeks.

Rinse, repeat.

It takes some people longer than others to get it. Personally, I'm still working on it.

Have fun!

This is going off-topic, but since it's been asked...
I disagree with the above technique. If you want to learn to circular breathe through a straw in water, do this. If you want to learn to circular breathe through a didjeridoo, play a didjeridoo. The main reason I disagree with this technique is the embouchure is completely different between a didjeridoo and a straw in water. I tried this technique out of curiosity after playing for didjeridoo for about 7 or 8 years, and it took me a couple days to do the straw in the water thing. The only purpose I see for this is that you see your results in our visual oriented society. When you circular breathe the first time, you know anyway, so this technique is really a hindrance.

The traditional way of learning to play is you make your own didjeridoo, then teach yourself to play it in the outback on a walkabout mimicking the sounds of nature.

If you want to learn to circular breathe through a didjeridoo, buy or make a didjeridoo, then learn to play it.

A couple videos on playing:

How To Circular Breathe

How To Play the Didj

Back on topic: I recently had quite a few terrifying Castaneda-esque dreams.

A lot of my lucid dreams are very spiritual: meeting gods, seeing into past lives, meditating with Tibetan monks, my third eye opening, falling asleep in a dream, and last night I was attacked by bright balls of light biting into my flesh like pit bulls.

this is true,
a good dij will create a back-pressure with its vibrations so you can
circular breath without the sound cutting out.
But, I would think if you learn to do it with a straw in water, then going to a dij should be easy.

back to Casteneda too:
I've had dreams where I encounter seemingly random objects that are just gushing with energy, as if the objects themselves are pure energy. Usually they're so powerful that I feel an emotional attachment to these objects...even though they're just random objects.

Originally Posted by HonerableMoUsE

this is true,
a good dij will create a back-pressure with its vibrations so you can
circular breath without the sound cutting out.
But, I would think if you learn to do it with a straw in water, then going to a dij should be easy.

The easiest thing is to simply learn to play didjeridoo. You can make one out of PVC and and some beeswax for about 20 bucks. Why waste time learning how to circular breathe with a straw in water? You are still going to have to completely readjust your embouchure and to learn to make the basic drone. I am not saying this to brag on myself, but I feel I have to give myself some credibility. I have been playing didjeridoo for over 10 years. I can circular breathe for about forty-five minutes. I taught one person, (the only one who committed to more than one lesson) to circular breathe as second nature in three weeks. My video on how to play the didj has over 35,000 views on youtube.

I am not saying this to brag, seriously. I am very passionate about the didjeridoo. I love it with all my heart. I hope no one takes this as a personal attack or me being argumentative. I say all of this because I just don't want to see people wasting time on this technique when the best way is to do it the way the originators of the instrument have been doing for thousands of years. I think they know what they are talking about.

back to Casteneda too:
I've had dreams where I encounter seemingly random objects that are just gushing with energy, as if the objects themselves are pure energy. Usually they're so powerful that I feel an emotional attachment to these objects...even though they're just random objects.

Interesting. So, have you tried to see the energy of these objects?

Do you think they are scouts?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Interesting. So, have you tried to see the energy of these objects?

Do you think they are scouts?

I would like to think they were scouts. But, for the few times it has happened to me, it has never felt dangerous or threatening. It can best be described as a feeling of nostalgia. and the detail of the objects becomes exquisite, almost to the point that they don't belong...but I can't tell for sure, I wasn't lucid either, it was just one of those super-vivid dreams that stick in your memory as if it actually happened.

Once, there was a piece of paper with some abstract drawing on it that pulled me in....it issued forth streams of bright colored light...it reminded me of that Mac screen-saver...haha.

The same stuff I've once seen coming out of the sky in a dream too.

man, didj sessions in Hawaii...arrg, what a life.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

This is going off-topic, but since it's been asked...
I disagree with the above technique. If you want to learn to circular breathe through a straw in water, do this. If you want to learn to circular breathe through a didjeridoo, play a didjeridoo. The main reason I disagree with this technique is the embouchure is completely different between a didjeridoo and a straw in water. I tried this technique out of curiosity after playing for didjeridoo for about 7 or 8 years, and it took me a couple days to do the straw in the water thing. The only purpose I see for this is that you see your results in our visual oriented society. When you circular breathe the first time, you know anyway, so this technique is really a hindrance.

The traditional way of learning to play is you make your own didjeridoo, then teach yourself to play it in the outback on a walkabout mimicking the sounds of nature.

If you want to learn to circular breathe through a didjeridoo, buy or make a didjeridoo, then learn to play it.

Fair enough. That's just how I learned to do it.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Fair enough. That's just how I learned to do it.

I sincerely apologize if I sounded offensive, saxonharp. I would love to play didjeridoo with you if you ever come to Hawai'i. I am going to start a monthly didj circle going here on Oahu soon. Sorry!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I sincerely apologize if I sounded offensive, saxonharp. I would love to play didjeridoo with you if you ever come to Hawai'i. I am going to start a monthly didj circle going here on Oahu soon. Sorry!

Ho'oponopono... S'all good bra.

Originally Posted by saxonharp

Did he teach you how to "Circular Breathe?"

here's the excerpt:

I saw Earth in front of me. I could spin the image of the Earth around like Google Earth. I saw Japan was asleep. Then, I thought about Australia, and the Dreamtime. Suddenly I was in Australia. It was night. I was in The Outback. I was The Maxx. "This will never do," I thought. I have to become an animal. I thought about the great animals of Australia. I became a red kangaroo. I went bounding over the plain. A freshwater crocodile appeared and attacked me, biting me in the stomach. I teleported away, healed my wound, then, I leapt up and stomped on his head. He got pissed, and as I turned for another attack, he lunged up at me, exposing his underside, so I punched him in his chest.The crocodile disappeared.

I saw an Aboriginal man playing a didjeridoo on the plain. I became me again. I heard other men playing far far away in a canyon. I sat down in front of the man on the plain. I pulled out a didjeridoo. He opened his eyes and looked at me. He was a little surprised to see an outsider in the dreamtime. He smiled at me benignly, then began playing again. We both played together. I got lost in the music. Stars began pouring out of his didjeridoo, and I stopped playing, transfixed. The stars flew up into the sky, forming constellations.

I saw a dingo, a crocodile, owls, kangaroos, koalas, and other animals. The constellations told a great story, The Story, the story of our origins, our past our future, it was all the same, it was all one. I was overwhelmed. I couldn't understand it, but I kept staring up at the constellations. I felt like crying.

Then, I was playing with the man again. We both stopped our song at the same time. He looked at me, and smiled again. It was time for me to leave Australia.

From my viewpoint:

When we have non-lucid dreams, we basically are in a universe created by our unconscious mind.
When we have lucid dreams, we can change that universe with our will, or create our own universe.
And when we are awake, we are in a universe constantly created by all of us.
In our dreams, we are gods. We can do anything. Only our beliefs and what we are used to in "real life" limits us. But you can change that with practice.
However, in "real life", it's kinda hard to create/destroy matter, or change it by will since we all kinda accept reality the way it is. You can change reality for yourself though. But it won't change for others. But don't expect to see the changed reality trough your eyes, since your eyes are bound to see what we all "agree" in. So yeah, that's my spiritual viewpoint on dreaming and real life.

Originally Posted by SolvedSnake

From my viewpoint:

When we have non-lucid dreams, we basically are in a universe created by our unconscious mind.
When we have lucid dreams, we can change that universe with our will, or create our own universe.
And when we are awake, we are in a universe constantly created by all of us.
In our dreams, we are gods. We can do anything. Only our beliefs and what we are used to in "real life" limits us. But you can change that with practice.
However, in "real life", it's kinda hard to create/destroy matter, or change it by will since we all kinda accept reality the way it is. You can change reality for yourself though. But it won't change for others. But don't expect to see the changed reality trough your eyes, since your eyes are bound to see what we all "agree" in. So yeah, that's my spiritual viewpoint on dreaming and real life.

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

moving off topic once again....

Kenny G. is a pro at circular breathing....he can hold a note for as long as he wants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkA_pxHaNZQ

...sorry

I feel that all is dream & that all dreams of form are equal. they all contribute something. I feel that in lucid dreaming, which I believe is an umbrella term, to be the 2nd most readily accessible reality to us all. I feel that dreaming is a way of remembering why we came here.

I feel that lucid dreaming is a doorway to even greater states of consciousness or better yet a corner market where you can learn/purchase it & return to your house/body with it to benefit your life.

As for circular breathing its really not that hard. It might help to understand circular breathing to know that you are breathing in and out at the same time but, not exclusively with your lungs. I play the didje & I circular breathe. When you are circular breathing you group the organs nose & lungs with mouth lips. While you breathe out your mouth you use your cheeks to press out while sucking in your nose. The kicker here is that you learn to close your throat while breathing in & open to resupply air to your cheeks w/o losing continuity of breath.

I hope that makes sense. I just woke up few minutes ago...

@Spaceexplorer
Yes I'm also highly surprised to hear you used to be a buddhist-monk
You sound like just the type of guy who should take the time and effort to read Thomas Campbells: "My Big Toe." 800 pages where he tries to describe the way he sees the universe(s), how it is structured and most importantly that you shouldn't believe a word of it until you can discover it yourself.

He describes how everything is one big consciousness and that we are all connected. He uses the analogy of computers to describe it all. Everything exists side by side, organised in different realities apart, but we have the power to see whats going on in the other parts of memory/harddisk if we can gain increase our consciousnes ("lower our entropy" as he describes it)

Its a very interesting read and best of all: He don't want the reader to believe anything he says, but go into the text with as an "open minded skeptic" (Sounds like you Spaceexplorer) and try to discover things by ourselves to not make any pseudo-knowledge - that will only work as a barrier, making it even harder to make something out of our own experiences with consciousness.

btw. Campbell is saying that when we die, our fragment of consciousness is still held together, so we don't just fade away into the ocean of consciousness. We still exist.

Mind you - I haven't got the brainpower to summarize this great piece of hard workmanship, so I can only hope to wet everyones appetite. It have a scientific approach to everything, but still have passages with more "spiritual" context. Simply put: If yoy want to think even deeper about life and the universe as we know and don't know it then this book is for you.


It can be read on the internet: http://books.google.com/books?id=6To...age&q=&f=false

or bought: www.my-big-toe.com

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

here's the excerpt:

I saw Earth in front of me. I could spin the image of the Earth around like Google Earth. I saw Japan was asleep. Then, I thought about Australia, and the Dreamtime. Suddenly I was in Australia. It was night. I was in The Outback. I was The Maxx. "This will never do," I thought. I have to become an animal. I thought about the great animals of Australia. I became a red kangaroo. I went bounding over the plain. A freshwater crocodile appeared and attacked me, biting me in the stomach. I teleported away, healed my wound, then, I leapt up and stomped on his head. He got pissed, and as I turned for another attack, he lunged up at me, exposing his underside, so I punched him in his chest.The crocodile disappeared.

I saw an Aboriginal man playing a didjeridoo on the plain. I became me again. I heard other men playing far far away in a canyon. I sat down in front of the man on the plain. I pulled out a didjeridoo. He opened his eyes and looked at me. He was a little surprised to see an outsider in the dreamtime. He smiled at me benignly, then began playing again. We both played together. I got lost in the music. Stars began pouring out of his didjeridoo, and I stopped playing, transfixed. The stars flew up into the sky, forming constellations.

I saw a dingo, a crocodile, owls, kangaroos, koalas, and other animals. The constellations told a great story, The Story, the story of our origins, our past our future, it was all the same, it was all one. I was overwhelmed. I couldn't understand it, but I kept staring up at the constellations. I felt like crying.

Then, I was playing with the man again. We both stopped our song at the same time. He looked at me, and smiled again. It was time for me to leave Australia.

Very interesting. Your Dream describes the belief of some Indigineous Australians that this reality was created out of the Dreamtime by the Ancestor Spirits in their Songs.

Very powerful Dream.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

here's the excerpt:

I saw Earth in front of me. I could spin the image of the Earth around like Google Earth. I saw Japan was asleep. Then, I thought about Australia, and the Dreamtime. Suddenly I was in Australia. It was night. I was in The Outback. I was The Maxx. "This will never do," I thought. I have to become an animal. I thought about the great animals of Australia. I became a red kangaroo. I went bounding over the plain. A freshwater crocodile appeared and attacked me, biting me in the stomach. I teleported away, healed my wound, then, I leapt up and stomped on his head. He got pissed, and as I turned for another attack, he lunged up at me, exposing his underside, so I punched him in his chest.The crocodile disappeared.

I saw an Aboriginal man playing a didjeridoo on the plain. I became me again. I heard other men playing far far away in a canyon. I sat down in front of the man on the plain. I pulled out a didjeridoo. He opened his eyes and looked at me. He was a little surprised to see an outsider in the dreamtime. He smiled at me benignly, then began playing again. We both played together. I got lost in the music. Stars began pouring out of his didjeridoo, and I stopped playing, transfixed. The stars flew up into the sky, forming constellations.

I saw a dingo, a crocodile, owls, kangaroos, koalas, and other animals. The constellations told a great story, The Story, the story of our origins, our past our future, it was all the same, it was all one. I was overwhelmed. I couldn't understand it, but I kept staring up at the constellations. I felt like crying.

Then, I was playing with the man again. We both stopped our song at the same time. He looked at me, and smiled again. It was time for me to leave Australia.

Awesome dream! Thanks for sharing it. I'm always amazed at meeting dream characters and their attitudes - they remind me of long, lost friends and we usually are so pleased to be meeting each other again.

Very very interesting theory. I love philosophy.
Although so many people have existed on this planet. You'd think that by now someone would have found or achieved a higher level of consciousness, if it was possible.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Very very interesting theory. I love philosophy.
Although so many people have existed on this planet. You'd think that by now someone would have found or achieved a higher level of consciousness, if it was possible.

After they enlighten them selves with the fact that life is a dream, they probably say: meh, screw you guys (I'm going home?), I found it on my own, you go along that path to, I'm not helping.

Originally Posted by Luanne

After they enlighten them selves with the fact that life is a dream, they probably say: meh, screw you guys (I'm going home?), I found it on my own, you go along that path to, I'm not helping.

Selfish people...

Originally Posted by Loaf

Very very interesting theory. I love philosophy.
Although so many people have existed on this planet. You'd think that by now someone would have found or achieved a higher level of consciousness, if it was possible.

Ever hear of The Buddha? Jesus? Mohammed?

I think many would argue that a LOT of people have achieved a higher level of consciousness. We choose to accept that or not based on our own beliefs. Or, we allow our personal biases to blind us to the Truth.