Thread: Auras

You are seeing energy. It's funny how even if we don't believe in things, it doesn't matter if it's real. The only thing disbelief does to reality is makes us convince ourselves that we are not seeing what we are seeing.

Originally Posted by Nicky the nodreamer

I think i spelled that wrong but anyways...

I saw a thread on here about auras a few weeks ago so i practiced it (for the fun of it because i really didn't believe it) but today i went to track first period my coach looked carefree and happy he was sitting infront of a white wall and i see this ting of scarlet around him sure enough 5 minutes later hes making us do the hill (a very hard punishment which involves doing lunges up and down backwards on a steep hill) because yesterday 3 kids were sent to the office for getting into a fight. But can someone clarify a bit more for me on what aruas really are?

It's spelt "Auras", and there is no evidence whatsoever for their existence.
In fact, there are experiments you can do yourself which will show you that they are not some spiritual energy field.

What most people see when they think they see Auras, is actually an optical illusion, due to how the cone cells in your eyes work, combined with the way our eyes dart around constantly.

What you are basically seeing is an inverted colour after image, of something you were looking at earlier.

I made this a while ago to demonstrate kind of how it works...

Good point spaceexplorer, we can't prove auras. Why is that?

What we do is create a virtual reality (based on rl) in our imagination which is the representation of our perception, what you see in front of your eyes is a projection from your imagination. This is how we are able to lucid dream in the first place because the brain copies the entire world and makes it's own version of it, also during waking life. Seeing through this virtual version is seeing energy directly, auras. This is what The Matrix was about, it's the same thing as Neo seeing 1's and 0's. (The original name of the movie was "The Third Eye"). Plato tried to explain this with his allegory of the cave and the world of ideas. What science is trying to do here, is collecting emperical evidence within the virtual world, while auras are beyond this virtual world. You first need to exist the cave before you can see, break out of the matrix.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Good point spaceexplorer, we can't prove auras. Why is that?

Because they don't exist.

There have been plenty of experiments to test Auras.
One simple one, was to get the person who claimed to see Auras (you can do this yourself at home try it), to pick two people with very different Auras.
Then you get those two people to walk into the other room, leaving the door open. They will then stand to the side of the door (hidden by the wall), but close enough so that the aura should be visible through the doorway by the "aura seer".
Taking it in random turns to stand by the doorway... it should be a simple matter for the Aura Seer, to see the colour of the Aura through the doorway and say which person is there.
Can they?
Nope, under hundreds of experiments, no-one, absolutely no-one has ever been able to pass this simple test.

I've experienced this effect by staring at speakers who stand in the same position so long, that an image begins to burn into my eyes. I always thought that this whole "seeing aura's" kind of thing was somewhat flimsy.

I think that a lot of what gets associated with the aura is inaccurate, as mentioned already...seeing an after image or seeing the inversion of a certain color. However, this is very different from seeing a person's true aura. I've tried to see auras before with little result...however I do have one friend who single handedly makes me believe that auras truly exist. This is because he is incredibly bright and seems to be surrounded in a brilliant white light. I would think I was imagining things if I hadn't witnessed strangers approach him on the street just about everywhere he goes and comment about how bright he is. I think all the major religious figures are depicted throughout history as being surrounded in this same bright light, aura, or halo. I have no doubt that people with higher vibrational frequencies have bright auras which can be seen or sensed by just about anyone. But in general, I think most people's auras are too dim to be seen by anyone who isn't extremely sensitive, well practiced, gifted or has psychic abilities.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Because they don't exist.

There have been plenty of experiments to test Auras.
One simple one, was to get the person who claimed to see Auras (you can do this yourself at home try it), to pick two people with very different Auras.
Then you get those two people to walk into the other room, leaving the door open. They will then stand to the side of the door (hidden by the wall), but close enough so that the aura should be visible through the doorway by the "aura seer".
Taking it in random turns to stand by the doorway... it should be a simple matter for the Aura Seer, to see the colour of the Aura through the doorway and say which person is there.
Can they?
Nope, under hundreds of experiments, no-one, absolutely no-one has ever been able to pass this simple test.

That is because an aura is not an actual color like how it is with (sun)light, but a translation of how someone feels, into a color. So the color here is a metaphor for someone's energy.

And oh hey, a welcome back to Aquanina

Originally Posted by Xetrov

That is because an aura is not an actual color like how it is with (sun)light, but a translation of how someone feels, into a color. So the color here is a metaphor for someone's energy.

And oh hey, a welcome back to Aquanina

So are you saying its just a fancy way for saying what mood someone is in?

I can't see why that would effect that particular experiment.

If the seer themselves chooses two people who have distinctly different auras (either in colour or mood, or whatever you wish to call it), they should still be able to "see" that aura without the person themselves being visible.

Otherwise, it becomes all a bit silly and meaningless.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Because they don't exist.

There have been plenty of experiments to test Auras.
One simple one, was to get the person who claimed to see Auras (you can do this yourself at home try it), to pick two people with very different Auras.
Then you get those two people to walk into the other room, leaving the door open. They will then stand to the side of the door (hidden by the wall), but close enough so that the aura should be visible through the doorway by the "aura seer".
Taking it in random turns to stand by the doorway... it should be a simple matter for the Aura Seer, to see the colour of the Aura through the doorway and say which person is there.
Can they?
Nope, under hundreds of experiments, no-one, absolutely no-one has ever been able to pass this simple test.

That is indeed a pretty convincing experiment but I know what the problem is. The aura is in the imagination, if someone is behind a wall and you can't see the person the aura won't shine around the corner as the imagination creates the aura. Without seeing the person, the aura won't be created in the imagination. I hope you see how misleading scientific experiments can be if they don't know the nature of what they are investigating.

So it's all just imagination? How does that make sense? I know, its pretty unbelievable, but I'm still trying to figure this out myself. I could give you a few theories, but in the end science hasn't figured this out yet. They are exactly stuck at this point with the unexpainable wave-particle duality... the act of observing changes reality. The world is still full of mysteries.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

That is indeed a pretty convincing experiment but I know what the problem is. The aura is in the imagination, if someone is behind a wall and you can't see the person the aura won't shine around the corner as the imagination creates the aura. Without seeing the person, the aura won't be created in the imagination. I hope you see how misleading scientific experiments can be if they don't know the nature of what they are investigating.

So it's all just imagination? How does that make sense? I know, its pretty unbelievable, but I'm still trying to figure this out myself. I could give you a few theories, but in the end science hasn't figured this out yet. They are exactly stuck at this point with the unexpainable wave-particle duality... the act of observing changes reality. The world is still full of mysteries.

Well it makes sense a LOT.
It's in the imagination... it's a fictional mental phenomena.
If you have to see the person to see the aura, and the aura tells you about their "mood" or "feelings", then, let's just accept, that you can tell someones mood and feelings by their body language.
Sure maybe somepeople have a kind of bodylanguage Synesthesia, but thats all it could ever be.
The very fact that you are required to see the person, to be able to establish their aura, negates the need for an aura.

It's like saying "i can read books without reading them, but i have to be staring at the page to do it."
It makes no sense.

Anyhow, i've heard psychics claim they can see auras in pitch darkness, so that contradicts what you are saying. Those psychics themselves should be able to pass the doorway test, yet they cant.

I am open to the idea of a mental phenomena that creates body language Synesthesia, that seems plausable. It would be a non psychic explanation for Auras.

But personally i think its a combination of optical illusions, self delusions/delusions of grandure, cold reading, empathy and peoples need to believe there is some kind of soul.

Auras have a pretty weak basis. Take a pencil. Hold it up against a well-lit white wall for about a minute. You'll notice a green or red "aura" around it momentarily.

spaceexplorer I like how you ignore my post...if auras don't exist how do you explain why some people are seen or depicted as giving off a bright light?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

spaceexplorer I like how you ignore my post...if auras don't exist how do you explain why some people are seen or depicted as giving off a bright light?

I didn't ignore your post, we can't all reply to every post in every thread, don't take it personally.

but if you insist

Let's break it down, because the thing with concepts like Auras, is that once you start to think them through, the cracks in the logic really start to show.

So you mention your friend who people refer to as "bright", well is it not simply possible that people are refering to his charisma and intelligence?
Is it maybe not that he has an energetic intelligent personality that attracts people to him? Maybe he's pretty handsome too, people tend to respond to that pretty readily. Seems more likely to me than a "higher vibrational energy"... which lets face it, is just a string of words with no foundation.
What is this "vibrational energy"? and why should some people be "higher"?

Why are figures shown with halos or auras in religious art?
Well could be lots of reasons for that, artistic liscence being probably the most likely candidate. Historically important figures wear crowns, so it dosn't take a huge leap to think that artists would add a "spiritual crown" to characters that they deem important. Same mentality that virgins are normally painted as wearing white, it dosn't reflect reality, it is an artistic shortcut to get a point across that is hard to visually represent.

But as for Auras,
What does the seeing?
Is it the eyes?
What processes the information? is it the physical brain?
If it's not the eyes, why can't blind people navigate by the auras of living beings?
Why do bats use Sonar when they could hunt by seeking out the auras of their prey?
What is the source of the aura?
People say it reflects the mood and health of a person, but mood an health are the result of changes in the physical body (hormones etc.).

I'm skeptical about the existence of Auras, partly because i'm fascinated by optical illusions, and have spent a great deal of time learning about how they work. Also being a Migrane sufferer, we get an effect also called "auras" before a migrane strikes... it's a kind of shimmering energy that appears over your visual field. Caused, rather boringly, by increased blood flow through certain veins, that push against the optic nerve.

But most importantly, and this is something that i find a useful yardstick for many psychic style claims... there are no examples of nature using the phenomena. Because evolution tends to use pretty much any minor advantage and niche, and then runs with it. We don't see psychic predators, or insects that find flowers by aura... yet we do find animals that use Sonar, and insects that see beyond our own visual spectrum.
We see animals using all sorts of crazy, complicated and subtle tricks to make thier way in the universe... following the earths magnetic field, seeing via heat, sonar, ultraviolet etc. etc.
Evolution by natural selection is a harsh judge, it will give any animal with a slight advantage over its rivals the right to breed and life.
So all these psychic phenomena, which would clearly be an advantage in an evolutionary sense... where are they in the world?

Originally Posted by Aquanina

spaceexplorer I like how you ignore my post...if auras don't exist how do you explain why some people are seen or depicted as giving off a bright light?

Didn't you read his argument? He claims the people who see them are just plain crazy motherfuckers who having delusions of grandeur. How do you argue against that? His mind is already made up before he even entered the discussion.

I noticed in history that some people simply hate new discovieres. Something to do with human nature. Wilhelm Reich scientifically proved the existence of auras. What did they do? Burn all his books and locked him up in jail where he died of a heart-attack. Why? Because he was crazy and auras don't exist. There is nothing you can do against this angry mob mentality that spaceexporer is displaying. He talks out of hate, calls us crazy and delusional. This is not the scientific method. This is pure madness. Something is very wrong with humanity if people start killing eachother and calling eachother crazy just because they made a new scientific discovery. It's amost as if the stupidity of the people is holding back scientific progress. You can't talk about auras without being called crazy. And apparently, you can't prove the existence of auras without having all your books burned and being locked up in jail.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I'm skeptical about the existence of Auras, partly because i'm fascinated by optical illusions, and have spent a great deal of time learning about how they work. Also being a Migrane sufferer, we get an effect also called "auras" before a migrane strikes... it's a kind of shimmering energy that appears over your visual field. Caused, rather boringly, by increased blood flow through certain veins, that push against the optic nerve.

Lol this explains everything. You see hallucinations because you have a migraine and you assume its the same for the whole world. You have never actually experimented with auras, have you?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Didn't you read his argument? He claims the people who see them are just plain crazy motherfuckers who having delusions of grandeur. How do you argue against that? His mind is already made up before he even entered the discussion.

I noticed in history that some people simply hate new discovieres. Something to do with human nature. Wilhelm Reich scientifically proved the existence of auras. What did they do? Burn all his books and locked him up in jail where he died of a heart-attack. Why? Because he was crazy and auras don't exist. There is nothing you can do against this angry mob mentality that spaceexporer is displaying. He talks out of hate, calls us crazy and delusional. This is not the scientific method. This is pure madness. Something is very wrong with humanity if people start killing eachother and calling eachother crazy just because they made a new scientific discovery. It's amost as if the stupidity of the people is holding back scientific progress. You can't talk about auras without being called crazy. And apparently, you can't prove the existence of auras without having all your books burned and being locked up in jail.

You're trying that old technique of making a personal attack against the person you are arguing against, rather than addressing the argument itself.

I am completely open minded to new ideas. If Auras had a shred of evidence, i'd be all over it like a rash.

Life is short, and I don't want to waste my short life chasing rainbows.
There are enough miracles in nature for a billion billion lifetimes of study.

So, when I'm making my choices about what to study, and what to believe, excuse me for being picky.
It's nothing to do with "hating new things" (don't know where you get this stuff from sometimes really!)
It's to do with a genuine love for knowledge and the universe.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence before accepting things.
Our entire legal system is based around that principle. If you disagree with it and would rather people be locked up or killed because of "belief", you'd be better off back in the witch burning days.

As for Reich, i think this quote sums him up:

...unlike Sir Isaac Newton, Reich was not willing to stand upon the shoulders of giants. He stood only as high as his own experiences would allow, and from this low perch imagined himself to be a lone eagle soaring higher than any other man had ever reached. --Roger M. Wilcox

Rather, than take political style character assasination shots, why not try and answer some of the questions from my previous post?

About your migraine, try going into it. It's probably your third eye opening. Next time you have a migraine, put your hand on your stomache and try to feel as much pain as possible also tense your stomache muscles as hard as possible, tell me how it went, I'm really curious.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Lol this explains everything. You see hallucinations because you have a migraine and you assume its the same for the whole world. You have never actually experimented with auras, have you?

Are you so dim that you completely miss my point?

If a convincing visual "energy field" can be created by a increased blood flow in a vein next to the optic nerve, as most migrane suffers experience...
Then what is to say that your "auras", don't have just as simple an explanation?
Or are you better than everyone else?


Tell me, what is closed minded about asking questions and demanding evidence?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

About your migraine, try going into it. It's probably your third eye opening. Next time you have a migraine, put your hand on your stomache and try to feel as much pain as possible, tell me how it went, I'm really curious.

Excuse me if i don't take you up on your offer.
But migranes have been both explained, understood, and can be treated by modern medicine... and are a purely biological issue.

The fact that you instantly try and jump on a spiritual explanation for it, says a lot about how eager you are to put a spiritual explanation on things.
That to me, shows that you are a victim of the very thing you claim others to be... you have a blinkered approach, you have choosen your belief and you edit reality to try and fit your belief.

Try doing it the other way around, try and edit your beliefs to fit around reality.

you you you... this is no longer a discussion about auras, you're trying to break me off, I can feel your anger in your words. I hope one day you will realize the reason why you are so interested in auras is because deep down inside you know it's the truth. You don't go around arguing about the existence of unicorns and faries.

Anyway, theres plenty of scientific proof, you just chooe to ignore it. I can't do anything about that.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

you you you... this is no longer a discussion about auras, you're trying to break me off, I can feel your anger in your words. I hope one day you will realize the reason why you are so interested in auras is because deep down inside you know it's the truth. You don't go around arguing about the existence of unicorns and faries.

Anyway, theres plenty of scientific proof, you just chooe to ignore it. I can't do anything about that.

This is an internet forum, we are communicating in text.
By its very nature, it is an emotion free medium.
How you interpret my words, what emotional elements you attribute to them, are entirely the fabrication of your own mind and prejudice.
To be honest, I'm really quite apathetic towards the subject, just it's an interesting debate to enter into whilst i drink my cup of tea in the morning, or whilst im eating lunch.

It's funny that you consider my words have some kind of strong emotion behind them, because im sitting here in my undies, h aving just had a shower, drinking a cup of tea, with my mind wandering off on other things, like the cute girl i met in the highstreet the other day.
Strong emotions couldn't be futher away. To be honest, I find the whole thing a bit like explaining to a kid that Father Christmas dosn't exist... and have about as strong emotional feelings as you would do towards that.
I think you're just projecting your own feelings onto me, fair enough, but you are completely off the mark.

Auras, whatever. I am not "so interested" in them, it's just interesting to debate something online on a rainy day. It'd be interesting if they were real, i'd quite like that. Problem is, because nobody has even a shred of evidence for them, it looks as if they are a load of cobblers.

What is more interesting, I find, is how people like yourself, cling to beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Now that IS interesting. It dosn't make sense to me, why would do people choose to believe things that they don't have any evidence other than their own need for them to be true?

If you can give me proof, i'll happily have egg on my face, and accept them as part of reality. Until that point, Auras will be just another of the many grown up fairy tales that sit with about as much credibility as the tooth fairy and father chrismas.

Sorry, but you think I care, I don't.
I'd just rather have a chat on a forum, than read the paper over breakfast.
And, although my posts seem long, im a touch typer and can pretty much write faster than i can speak... so it's really not that much effort to churn out a long post.

As with all things new age and paranomal... simply prove it.
It's not much to ask, but no on ever does.
You say you have evidence... share it.
Beause you're earlier "evidence" was some whack job who got busted by the FDA for trying to con a bunch of people.


ps. do you notice how you avoid each question I have, by trying to change the subject by making it about personal feelings or other pointless sidetrack? That's what people do, when they are backed into a corner.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

This is an internet forum, we are communicating in text.
By its very nature, it is an emotion free medium.
How you interpret my words, what emotional elements you attribute to them, are entirely the fabrication of your own mind and prejudice.
To be honest, I'm really quite apathetic towards the subject, just it's an interesting debate to enter into whilst i drink my cup of tea in the morning, or whilst im eating lunch.

"Communicating in text." Emotion is brought up in communication. People emphasize things and make sarcastic remarks to show how they feel towards things.
When you read something a persons mind can take pieces of that information and automatically emphasize the word that they think would be emphasized.
ChaybaChayba was most likely frazzled and when he read your text his mind could have emphasized certain words that could have made you perceived as angry do to the fact he was frazzled.

I certainly just thought of your text as just a rebuke and not a snide remark, you said excuse me, showing courtesy. Then used the the word "but" to imply your view of point.
It was perfectly civil to me, and did not show any sign of you being mad.

But that is just the way I perceived it when I read through it.


As for the topic itself. For the glow of the aura I have to say spaceexplorer would be right in saying it is an optical illusion. Nothing but your eyes playing tricks on you.
But haven't you ever had a stirring emotion before you met someone that they were bad or friendly? I consider the emotion people put off to be considered an aura. And imagine this, your emotion you get is perceived by how people talk, act, and gesture... Hmmm, what an interesting kawinkydink. :3

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

You have never actually experimented with auras, have you?

One point here, have you? Because if not, you're have about as much a place arguing about it as noogah in the "should Marijuana be legal" thread. If you really want to know the truth about something like this, try it yourself, and let that be the evidence for your claims, whatever they may be at that point.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

This is an internet forum, we are communicating in text.
By its very nature, it is an emotion free medium.
How you interpret my words, what emotional elements you attribute to them, are entirely the fabrication of your own mind and prejudice.

Oh right, so calling people dimwitted, wackjobs and delusional is being emotion free. Gotcha. Anyway, I'm in a bad mood so yeah I could be project my feelings onto you, but I don't think like your way of communication I guess. I mean, theres so much scientific evidence but why do you ignore it? Let's start over.

The memory acts as electromagnetic field. www.pmemory.com for a free ebook. This EM-field basically represents our consciousness, our aura:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro..._consciousness

This EM-field also represents our emotional state: lie detectors get plugged onto the skin to detect electrical tension. Now, our skin works both as receiver and emitter for this electrical tension and this is how you can feel auras. Auras are basically emotions which people give off.

Everyone can feel this, you don't need to be psychic or special or whatever, it is natural communication. This is a new field in science, if you are truly interested and truly scientific minded, you would experiment with this, what is holding you back, you see people each day all you need to do is feel?

Anyway, I did a lot of experimentation, and I think I also found the scientific explanation for auras, if you see a flaw in my reasoning, please do point it out.

Originally Posted by Supernova

One point here, have you? Because if not, you're have about as much a place arguing about it as noogah in the "should Marijuana be legal" thread. If you really want to know the truth about something like this, try it yourself, and let that be the evidence for your claims, whatever they may be at that point.

Of course, why else would I ask in the first place? I always talk out of first hand experience. I know auras exist, without a doubt.