Originally posted by Crucible
When I say OOBE I am using the words literally. I mean that you are actually out of your body.
Since neither of us are experts on going OOB I decided to check with two of the foremost authors who are: William Buhlman (Adventures Beyond the Body.. How to Experience Out-Of-Body Travel) and Robert Bruce (Astral Dynamics - A New Approach to Out-Of-Body Experience).
Per Buhlman (pg 7), \"In 1972 the term out-of body experience had not even been coined; back then, the most common description was astral projection.\"
Per Bruce (pg 541), \"Out-of Body Experience (OBE): Where consciousness is perceived as existing and operating outside its physical body. Also called OOBE, projection, or astral projection.\"
Originally posted by Crucible
If you were able to touch something then you were not out of your body. You would become etheral.
Per Buhlman (pg 33), I also recognized that breathing was no longer necessay and that sensations of temperature appeared non-existent. Even though I experienced no sensation of temperature, I did have a sense of touch and could feel objects and even feel my grip. In addition, while my sense of hearing remained the same, my sense of taste appeared to be absent. Later I was to discover that all five senses are available if we focus on them.\"
(pg 263), \"Will I be able to see, hear and feel as I do now? In your early out-of-body explorations, you will most likely experience your surroundings with a physical-like perception.\"
Per Bruce (pge 100), The projected double uses the same basic senses as the physical body, albeit at a greatly enhanced level. It can still see and hear and smell and taste and touch, but through direct energetic mind sensing. For example, the projected double can receive light energy directly, without needing physical eyes, although it must of course have experience with sight to translate this energy in a visual way.\"
(pg 346), \"Falling was interesting, as it seemed to happen in slow motion. I would feel a kind of slow and heavy impact when I hit the ground.\"
Originally posted by Crucible+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crucible)</div>
What I experience now is a subtle but distinctive *shift* in my consciousness. When this shift occurs, I simply wait until I know that I can roll out. The knowing of when I can roll out is something that has come from practice and from trial and error.
Hmm, in an OOBE you would literally be out of your body. You would not roll out, you would pull yourself out.[/b]
Per Buhlman (pg 166), \"Rolling out. This method is extremely effective. After you recognize the vibrational state, you simply do a sideways roll. As weird as this may sound, it gets to be fun. Several people have told me that they rolled off the physical bed and fell to the floor laughing to themselves. This method is used effectively be many people; author Robert Monroe states in his book Far Journey that he often uses a rolling technique when separating from his first-energy body and moving to his second energy form.\"
Per Bruce (pg 272), \"Rolling out of the body is a popular and reasonably effective projection technique. It makes use of a natural whole-of-body awareness movement - that of rolling over or out of bed - something you have done thousands of times.\"
Originally posted by Crucible
Does everything look EXACTLY like it does when you are awake? I mean not even the smallest thing can be different. It has to be exactly the same. All of these must be the case to have had an OOBE. If one was not then you astral projected. An astral projection is like a very very realistic lucid dream. Although it is very realistic, you can easily tell it is not.
Per Buhlman (pg 263), \"What does the out-of-body environment look like? The environment perceived depends upon the vibrations frequency (density) of the participant. Many people report a physical-like environment. This environment does not necessarily correspond to their immediate physical environment.\"
Per Bruce (pg 453), \"There are no simple explanations for the underlying causes of the reality fluctuations that plague real-time projectors shortly after their exit out of body. In most cases, especially with new projectors, reality starts to fluctuate only a couple of minutes after the exit. Reality fluctuations are more noticeable during real-time projections, especially inside projectors own houses, as the details of this area are well known.\"
(pg 454), \"For example, if an object, shape, or shadow is vaguely seen during a projection, the surface mind will often guess what it is, even if the projector is not thinking about it. This can stimulate the subconscious mind into altering the object, or into creating form to fit whatever has been half-guessed.\"
Originally posted by Crucible
Listen, I am just going to stop right there because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue about OOBE if someone has not experienced it yet. Almost every single person who claims they have, really had a lucid dream or astral projection. Once you experience it you will have the EXACT same experience. It is the same for everyone.
You're right, it is impossible to argue about OOBEs if someone has not experienced them yet.
I too am done now.
(2/28 10:08 pm - I fixed a typo)
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