Has any one actually experienced and verified?

[killashags]

I was wondering if anyone has intentionally made a plan to have a shared LD and been successful in their attempts? I'm not really sure if I believe in shared LD but I am not ruling out the possibility.

[27]

It should be really easy to test.

[Carôusoul]

GTF back to beyond dreaming. Shared dreaming seems ludicrous to me; I don't understand why it would logically exist.

[Alric]

Well if you believe in the more spiritual stuff, and astral projection and the like, then theres no reason it can't exist. If you don't believe in any of that stuff, it pretty much kills the idea. Anyway I have seen a few people on this forum try before. Its seems very rare for it to actually work. Then again even if you believe its possible, most people don't have the kind of control to try it.

[Photolysis]

There is no such thing as shared dreaming. Why? Because all dreams are a construct of your mind, and if shared dreaming existed, it would be a form of telepathy, which is impossible. There's no such thing as the "astral plane". It's simple. Your mind shuts off input from the rest of the body, and contructs worlds and generates information for the senses, based on memory, expectations, emotions, and such. It takes place entirely within your mind. I mean, come on. A magic fantasy plane people go to at night when they dream, and can meet up with other people? How stupid is that? It's on the same wavelength as believing you go to Fairy-land at night, where elves, pixies, and goblins *really* exist. Who would believe that, other than naive children? Can people not see just how childish and foolish the suggestion is? I would have expected people on this site to be a bit more clued up on the nature of dreams, and the brain's ability to simulate convincing realities. Why would anyone think, in their own private world, that they can join in someone else's, potentially miles away. It's simply, a stupid, delusional, foolish, childish idea. I can appreciate that it can be fun to share a dream with a friend (or your interpretation of them, as a construct of your mind), but people need to realise that's all dreams are. Constructs of your mind. You don't go anywhere, you can't share dreams, you don't have telepathic powers, and if you believe so, you need to get educated, or get help; thinking you have superpowers (in the real world) is a sign of mental instability. Of course, when it's expressed like this, I wonder how many people seriously believe in the notion. Well if you believe in the more spiritual stuff, and astral projection and the like, then theres no reason it can't exist. If you don't believe in any of that stuff, it pretty much kills the idea. Well, when we disregard science and the laws of physics, then there's no reason why anything can't exist. It doesn't matter in the slightest if you believe in something, it has no effect on it's existence. There are plenty of reasons why it can't exist, and it doesn't matter in the slightest how much or many people want it to be.

[Serkat]

The one thing I never understand is why someone who has the ability to LD and have OBEs would STILL want to believe in supernatural garbage. Take a hint... LDing and OBEs are already so incredibly sexy, why the hell would you need to associate that with supernatural stuff? Just enjoy the ride. It's already sexy without being supernatural. That's the whole point of LDing (to me anyway).

[Spartiate]

The one thing I never understand is why someone who has the ability to LD and have OBEs would STILL want to believe in supernatural garbage. Take a hint... LDing and OBEs are already so incredibly sexy, why the hell would you need to associate that with supernatural stuff? Just enjoy the ride. It's already sexy without being supernatural. That's the whole point of LDing (to me anyway). Uhh, OBEs are pretty supernatural too ...

[Universal Mind]

I was wondering if anyone has intentionally made a plan to have a shared LD and been successful in their attempts? I'm not really sure if I believe in shared LD but I am not ruling out the possibility. No, but I have shown up at the meeting places when the other person did not show up, and once when I did so I came across a bunch of really weird coincidences concerning the other person's life and future. I have never shown up at a meeting place and woken up to find out that the other person showed up there too. I don't really believe in shared dreaming any way. I just think it is a fun idea to play around with. Uhh, OBEs are pretty supernatural too ... If the term is taken literally. I think "out of body experiences" are really just WILDs.

[tkdyo]

photo, it may be true that such things are impossible, but why get so heated about it? Nobody is getting hurt by people wanting to try it out and seeing if it works. As UM said, it is a fun thing to play with even if we dont think it is possible. I dont think it is, but when I can get lucid I would love to play with the prospect. I wont be dissappointed if it doesnt work, and Im asleep gettin my rest anyway so why not?

[Spartiate]

If the term is taken literally. I think "out of body experiences" are really just WILDs. I've always heard of it as a synonym of "astral projection", where you can see real events unfolding as you sleep.

[Serkat]

I use 'OBE' for those WILD-like experiences with crystal-clear quality. Where you start out near your bed and you think you just woke up because it's so real. The direct experience of leaving your body (from SP), as opposed to just entering a dream.

[Photolysis]

photo, it may be true that such things are impossible, but why get so heated about it? Nobody is getting hurt by people wanting to try it out and seeing if it works. As UM said, it is a fun thing to play with even if we dont think it is possible. I dont think it is, but when I can get lucid I would love to play with the prospect. I wont be dissappointed if it doesnt work, and Im asleep gettin my rest anyway so why not? Such silly beliefs, which are clearly ludicrous when you spend a moment's thought thinking about them, annoy me. If an adult came up to you and (seriously) told you that he believed in fairies, unicorns, pixies, goblins, and dragons, what would you do? Would you really take him seriously and respect such stupid beliefs, or would you treat it with the scorn it deserves? This is honestly no different when you think about it. Sadly I get the impression that most people don't do this. Furthermore, I am disappointed that people on this site of all places, where people should be clued up on the nature of dreams (as it's useful info for lucid dreaming), could believe in such childish nonsense. And if anyone actually claims to have telepathic powers - as essentially anyone who champions the idea believes (whether intentionally or not), - that disturbs me, and such thinking should not be given respect. I've always heard of it as a synonym of "astral projection", where you can see real events unfolding as you sleep. They're not real. Or if they are the same as real events, it's a coincidence (or perhaps the brain is detecting other information such as a conversation between 2 people you know). It's well known that when asleep the brain can be influenced by outside stimulation, such as light, or sound for instance. Again, why do people not understand that the brain can duplicate events that look utterly real? You can construct entire worlds effortlessly; how hard is it to construct a small room, and realistic behaviours? Especially when involving people and places you know well.

[Universal Mind]

Photolysis, the fun of trying shared dreaming is that you can go into a mental state that very much resembles the situation of meeting your friend somewhere in reality. It is really about using your friend to go on mental adventures with yourself. If you can both pull off the meeting, separately in your own separate minds of course, it is a trip to talk about both having been there and seen each other. You don't have to believe you were really there to enjoy it. It is unrealistic to think Star Wars or The Matrix is real too, but it is still fun to watch them and entertain yourself with a willing suspension of disbelief.

[Photolysis]

Photolysis, the fun of trying shared dreaming is that you can go into a mental state that very much resembles the situation of meeting your friend somewhere in reality. It is really about using your friend to go on mental adventures with yourself. If you can both pull off the meeting, separately in your own separate minds of course, it is a trip to talk about both having been there and seen each other. You don't have to believe you were really there to enjoy it. It is unrealistic to think Star Wars or The Matrix is real too, but it is still fun to watch them and entertain yourself with a willing suspension of disbelief. I'm not talking about where you interact with a simulated version of your friend; far from it. I can fully appreciate how much fun that could be! I'm simply attacking the concept and those that *truely* believe in nonsense like The Astral Plane and shared dreaming. And there are those people. And even if some people are simply using shared dreaming as a metaphor for interacting with a simulated version of their friend (sometimes the same night as their friend does the same thing), there's no need for the metaphor. There's no need to keep up the shared dreaming charade. Why the unnecessary label if you know what's really going on? When watching stuff like star wars, you don't have to fool yourself into believing it's real whilst watching it. Sure, you suspend disbelief to allow you to enjoy it, but you don't actually delude yourself. Of course, your body can react as if it were real, but that's a tangent. The thing is, at the end of the movie, any sane person doesn't go around making claims - metaphorical for something else or not - that it's real. They don't go around making comments like "I went to a magical land where I was really in that film with Luke and Han!". They might say "Gosh, that film felt so real it was LIKE I was actually there" (which you can do for dreams), but they don't claim nonsense. So why bother with shared dreaming? If you know about the nature of dreams, why bother with an elaborate metaphor for experiencing someone in your dreams as they experience you in theirs? Why not discuss that experience as it truely is, instead of putting this silly supernatural spin on?

[Universal Mind]

So why bother with shared dreaming? If you know about the nature of dreams, why bother with an elaborate metaphor for experiencing someone in your dreams as they experience you in theirs? Why not discuss that experience as it truely is, instead of putting this silly supernatural spin on? It's just a fun game of mind fuck.

[Photolysis]

It's just a fun game of mind fuck. Well, if you really want. In any case, my post is still mostly aimed those that literally believe such rubbish.

[King K]

In any case, my post is still mostly aimed those that literally believe such rubbish. I don't see what is so wrong in believing "such rubbish", your point of view stands correct and if you don't want to believe in that it is fine, however, I don't see a valid point for attacking other people's beliefs (as you said so in one of your previous posts). And to be honest, I don't feel the need to believe in shared dreams, I've never tried them, and I don't know if I'll ever try, which I doubt. I have no problems whatsoever with those who believe in this.

[Serkat]

I don't see what is so wrong in believing "such rubbish", your point of view stands correct and if you don't want to believe in that it is fine, however, I don't see a valid point for attacking other people's beliefs (as you said so in one of your previous posts). It's called intellectual honesty. Intellectual dishonesty leads to physical violence in the long run.

[Photolysis]

however, I don't see a valid point for attacking other people's beliefs (as you said so in one of your previous posts). Really? I gave plenty of examples why they're stupid, and nonsensical. You know, the parts where I mention telepathy and travelling to alternate dimensions, all a complete contradiction of scientific fact that dreams occur when the body is paralysed and the mind shuts off input from the rest of the body. I think those are excellent reasons to attack nonsensical beliefs, myself.

[Scatterbrain]

Such silly beliefs, which are clearly ludicrous when you spend a moment's thought thinking about them, annoy me. If an adult came up to you and (seriously) told you that he believed in fairies, unicorns, pixies, goblins, and dragons, what would you do? Would you really take him seriously and respect such stupid beliefs, or would you treat it with the scorn it deserves? Just out of curiosity, do you have the same attitude towards religious people(e.g. christians)?

[Photolysis]

Just out of curiosity, do you have the same attitude towards religious people(e.g. christians)? It depends. There's a wide spectum of religious people. For instance there are some Christians who don't believe that the Bible is literally true, and hold similar moral codes to those that atheists generally have, and only believe that there's a God. Conversely, there hardcore religious nutcases, such as those that slay "infidels" in the name of Islam. I have little time or respect for circular logic, or a lack of rational thinking (for instance, believing something because say, The Koran says it is). I have no respect for those that believe something unquestioningly and blindly, and those that preach that such things are virtues. You only have to look at Nazi Germany to see where blind belief can lead. The fact is, that if someone thinks long and hard and logically about their beliefs, and is willing to question those beliefs, then I don't have a problem. The sad fact is that most religious people believe in something because of some of the above characteristics.

[Xei]

Thought takes place in our brains, and we don't share those. Perhaps telepathy or at least interesting effects would be possible if we connected some of the neurons in two people's brains together, but it really is impossible to properly predict what would happen because there is no scientific theory of consciousness yet. But yes, asides from that, dream sharing makes no sense. And there hasn't been any verification. I tend to find that people who claim to have dream shared or to know somebody who has quickly have their claims broken down on further questioning. For example, a conversation with somebody I had once went from 'yes, if he gives me a password, I can tell him it the next day' to 'I've never dreamshared with him personally' to 'he hasn't tried it yet either'.

[nina]

Moving this to beyond dreaming.

[LucidFlanders]

Why do people call it "fairy tale" and "fantasy land"? being out of your body is not a fairy tale, nor a fantasy land, well actually it is if you can do whatever you want from your own fantasys. Dreaming is a fairy tale, and fantasy land. Btw, about shared dreaming...check out my thread called "My Big Toe", the 2nd part of the youtube links pretty much sums it up from some of the people who do study this kind of thing, sound proof room, and only able to listen to what the other guy is saying and it's in no way made up, nor is the guy telling them what they are doing, he asks them what's happening. But hey, i guess you can say it's fake, and you can ignore everything that goes against your belief and think people who believe this are crazy, childish, stupid, whatever. I guess you should go back to believing the world is flat with your 1 way of thinking too, yes? funny how some people think they know everything. This is only to the extreme disbelievers who think their way is the only way, or believers who laugh at the brain stuff and say with 100% confidence the brain is wrong, and there are really spirits inside. Fact is, and it is a fact, NOBODY KNOWS!

[LucidFlanders]

Thought takes place in our brains, and we don't share those. Perhaps telepathy or at least interesting effects would be possible if we connected some of the neurons in two people's brains together, but it really is impossible to properly predict what would happen because there is no scientific theory of consciousness yet. But yes, asides from that, dream sharing makes no sense. And there hasn't been any verification. I tend to find that people who claim to have dream shared or to know somebody who has quickly have their claims broken down on further questioning. For example, a conversation with somebody I had once went from 'yes, if he gives me a password, I can tell him it the next day' to 'I've never dreamshared with him personally' to 'he hasn't tried it yet either'. Word, nada.