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      Ugh.... Racism

      I was really thinking of making a really long and detailed post about this and my complaint about it... However, I feel my point can be explicitly stated with this:

      I am a white, straight, male. I am subject to so many criticisms.

      I am tired of being thought of as being racist just because I am white.

      I am tired of being thought of as a "stupid typical male".

      I am tired of being thought of as a smart-ass know-it-all.

      Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?

      Is it not possible to be racist by thinking that I am racist?

      Seriously, I am getting really fucking sick of this for the same exact reasons why any other person hates racism.

      Keep this in mind when you judge someone. Maybe your reasons for thinking someone is judgmental is, in fact, judgmental. Maybe you would not think you were so special unless someone was racist towards you?

      What do you think...?

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      Yeah.

      I know what you mean. Especially the part about being criticized for being male, especially since I was someone who gave guys a hard time in the past if I perceived anything they said to be even remotely sexist in any way.

      I don't really know what to do about it though. I guess you can keep in mind that even though you receive your fair share of ridiculous criticisms, it's still not anywhere near the amount that someone who isn't white, isn't male receives.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      I don't really know what to do about it though. I guess you can keep in mind that even though you receive your fair share of ridiculous criticisms, it's still not anywhere near the amount that someone who isn't white, isn't male receives.
      I don't disagree about the truth of this. It's simply something I do not think is often, if at all, recognized.

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      Racism is pointless. The only way to win the game is to stop playing.

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      Stop explaining things. You don't need to justify yourself to people.

      Don't let the 'racism/sexism/facism' paranoia catch you.

      And judging others is fine. Just get good at it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I was really thinking of making a really long and detailed post about this and my complaint about it... However, I feel my point can be explicitly stated with this:

      I am a white, straight, male. I am subject to so many criticisms.

      I am tired of being thought of as being racist just because I am white.

      I am tired of being thought of as a "stupid typical male".

      I am tired of being thought of as a smart-ass know-it-all.

      Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?

      Is it not possible to be racist by thinking that I am racist?

      Seriously, I am getting really fucking sick of this for the same exact reasons why any other person hates racism.

      Keep this in mind when you judge someone. Maybe your reasons for thinking someone is judgmental is, in fact, judgmental. Maybe you would not think you were so special unless someone was racist towards you?

      What do you think...?

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      I agree with this. Furthermore, I think people are so quick to pull the "race" card instead of actually analyzing actual reasons why someone may have said what they said. What may be (by observable accounts) viewed as racism could actually just be sheer ignorance and stupidity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Yeah.

      I guess you can keep in mind that even though you receive your fair share of ridiculous criticisms, it's still not anywhere near the amount that someone who isn't white, isn't male receives.
      I wasnt aware minority women were also considered to always be sexist and racist? Maybe other criticisms sure but that is not what the op was talking about.

      To the op, I agree completely, that is all.
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      i have a strong opinion about racism, infact its not so much that, its more political corectness. i heard that you now have to call a blackboard a chalkboard, now im sorry but its called that because its a board which happens to be the colour black, and whiteboards dont need to be called penboards or something.

      another thing is, shortened names for certain races, i dont think i should repeat them so as not to offend anyone, but i see nothing wrong with it. im talkiing about pakastani people and chinese people etc. im sure you know the shortened versions. the reason i hate why people see it as a bad thing is that its just a shortened way of saying a person from pakistani etc. and if someone called me a scot, which is the shortened way of saying, someone from scotland, i dont bloody well care, and its the same with poles (from poland) aussies (from australia) and the list goes on. so why the heck should it matter for other contries? its just crazy.

      there are other things which annoy me because people seem to think things are racist when they just arent.

      on the other hand, obviously, very bad things have happened because of serious racism, and i fucking hate the racist basterds, but luckily, that has mostly been cleared up.

      just to let everyone know, i am definetally not a racist, and i dont understand why people think other races arent human, i think its sick.

      now, when you bring things over to religeon, it just gets plain stupid, if there were no such things as religeon, most of the wars which have happened, wouldnt have happened. WWII for example, this was a terrible terrible war, which started because of religeon, because hitler was a racist idiot, and it carried on for a long time because the religeous people sticked with their religeon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tkdyo View Post
      I wasnt aware minority women were also considered to always be sexist and racist? Maybe other criticisms sure but that is not what the op was talking about.
      Mm? I'm not sure what you mean. I must have written my post poorly.

      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      i heard that you now have to call a blackboard a chalkboard, now im sorry but its called that because its a board which happens to be the colour black, and whiteboards dont need to be called penboards or something.
      Wow. I didn't hear that. But that sounds ridiculous.

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      I don't get upset anymore. It's just a term that means nothing most of the time. The important thing is that we are just in the right matters.

      These days any mention of race makes everyone nervous; as if we would pretend there are no races. It's pretty stupid. Contrary to what most would have you believe, we are not all exactly the same.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I was really thinking of making a really long and detailed post about this and my complaint about it... However, I feel my point can be explicitly stated with this:

      I am a white, straight, male. I am subject to so many criticisms.

      I am tired of being thought of as being racist just because I am white.

      I am tired of being thought of as a "stupid typical male".

      I am tired of being thought of as a smart-ass know-it-all.

      Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?

      Is it not possible to be racist by thinking that I am racist?

      Seriously, I am getting really fucking sick of this for the same exact reasons why any other person hates racism.

      Keep this in mind when you judge someone. Maybe your reasons for thinking someone is judgmental is, in fact, judgmental. Maybe you would not think you were so special unless someone was racist towards you?

      What do you think...?

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      It's prejudice, the masses of people are full of it. Not just racial prejudice, but loads of different kinds of prejudice. Sexual, social, economical. People are very keen to place their judgementlabels on everyone and everythig really fast.

      I am often approached with incredible prejudice. For having dreadlocks, for carrying a guitar on my back, for being Jewish and wearing a david-star pendant, for being white, for being somewhat of a spiritual person, for being job & work-less and for being a musician&visual artist. And alot more.

      I certainly know the tention you mentioned when black people have racial predjudice towards white people, because of what his/her ancestors did. I don't feel responsible or connected for what my ancestors did. Black people that think you ARE connected to the racist slavery, murder and opression of your ancestors are clearly racist, because they connect and associate you to those mass crimes just because you are white: It's like counter Racism. Pretty ignorant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I was really thinking of making a really long and detailed post about this and my complaint about it... However, I feel my point can be explicitly stated with this:

      I am a white, straight, male. I am subject to so many criticisms.

      I am tired of being thought of as being racist just because I am white.

      I am tired of being thought of as a "stupid typical male".

      I am tired of being thought of as a smart-ass know-it-all.

      Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?

      Is it not possible to be racist by thinking that I am racist?

      Seriously, I am getting really fucking sick of this for the same exact reasons why any other person hates racism.

      Keep this in mind when you judge someone. Maybe your reasons for thinking someone is judgmental is, in fact, judgmental. Maybe you would not think you were so special unless someone was racist towards you?

      What do you think...?

      ~


      So change it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
      Just live the world, you'd like to be living in and you've already changed it.

      I would like to live in a world where people are allowed to burn children in the streets.


      I feel living in this world would not change it.


      I feel it would get me arrested.

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      It's more a state of mind thing, I was referring to.

      I know that there are certain things you can't do.

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      yeah, it sucks.

      but then again, there is lucid dreaming

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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      i have a strong opinion about racism, infact its not so much that, its more political corectness. i heard that you now have to call a blackboard a chalkboard, now im sorry but its called that because its a board which happens to be the colour black, and whiteboards dont need to be called penboards or something.
      Go on. Complain about it being political correctness gone mad.

      It's nonsense. It's like people complaining about Christmas no longer being called Christmas. Or about school-children being made to wear safety goggles to play conkers.

      They're usually very isolated incidents that are reported and then exaggerated upon as though they represent a mass trend sweeping the country.

      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      i heard that you now have to call a blackboard a chalkboard.
      No-one is enforcing this rule. It will have happened in some comprehensive in Birmingham where there is a slightly cautious headteacher who worries about coming across as racist. It's silly, but not representative of anything more than an extreme.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      Why am I constantly having to explain why and how I am not racist/fascist/sexist?
      Because you talk too much.

      "Actions speak louder than words" isn't just a common saying. It's an axiom of society as a whole. Words mean absolutely nothing (and I say this as a creative writer whose primary skills and hobbies lie in creativity with speech and writing). Actions mean everything.

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      To be honest I think you're just whining. I've never experienced any prejudice from anybody who might be inclined to think I'm racist just because I'm white.

      Certainly with the recent election of Obama, it's pretty obvious to people that most whites don't care about race.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
      It's more a state of mind thing, I was referring to.

      I know that there are certain things you can't do.
      I think what you mean is there are certain things you are pretty powerless against; war, famine, prejudice, ignorance..etc, but instead of complaining about how wrong these things are, you could instead do it Right yourself and make your life an example of what's right for others. By not making those same mistakes.
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      I tell people borderline racist jokes so people don't think I'm a racist/bigot.

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      A wet back and a darkie jump of a building. Who wins? Society.

      Sorry, that was racist... let me rephrase that.

      A Latino and an African American jump off a building. Who wins? Society.

      Gee, now that was better isn't it?

      Anyway, Mark Twain said "Any feeling, if sincere, is involuntary", or was it... "Any feeling, if involuntary, is sincere" actually its the first one just looked it up... but anyway what's so wrong with racism? Can people really control what you feel or think or believe? The only things u can truly control are ur actions, unless ur an eplictic. Sure u may think that a black guy moving to ur neighborhood is a "well there goes the neighborhood" idea. Doesn't mean u have to put burning crosses in his yard and invite ur klan buddies for a lynching party. I just might be missing something... I been in a Texas school were about 1/3 were black, 1/3 latino, and 1/3 white or asian. I been in Kansas school where theres about 5 black people, and I might be a few over cause some of them might be hispanic, I never been good at dicephering between the humans... also I'm sick of people saying that the racial barrier has fallen because Barak is in office. I'm gonna keep away from politics... cause once I get into some issues its just a long (errr longer) rant. Also if I remember right, racism is the idea of blacks of hispanic or asians or whites or insert whatever in here being flawed or worse or something, but discrimination is when u start acting on it.

      People always say do what u believe is right. But if ur ideas start getting the desire to want to govern other people, maybe you shouldn't. Not sure if this statement is clear... an example may be that some people think gay marriage is wrong. Of course these people don't gay marriage, but many also don't want others to gay marriage and act upon that belief...

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      Sry for long ranting post... with bad grammer...

      Also when people start calling you rascist, why would you care what some darkie thinks?

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      Racism is unneeded and stupid. There's no such thing as 'races', for we all are human.
      Racism shouldn't be accepted and neither should 'counter racism'.
      With counter racism, I mean stuff like calling a blackboard a chalkboard because it might offend other people. That's the biggest BS I've ever heard.
      Even a better example: I the Netherlands, we have something called 'negerzoenen' (niggerkisses in English) now the names changed to 'zoenen' (kisses) for it would be offending. Every f'ing single person in this country calles them 'negerzoenen', and now, they've to call them 'zoenen'. There is no relation to black people at all. It's just a word that came up a time ago, and it stuck. What's the problem?
      Oh, some examples: I've got it black on white. Can't do that, might offend black AND white people! White as snow: Nope, can't do that either, because you might just offend white people! Black and blue: Noes, it has black...
      The list goes on and on. It annoys me to death. With counter racism you sound like there's something wrong with the word 'black'.



      Anyway, back to your problem O'nus.
      I know what you're talking about. People judge you on the smallest things and your behaviour in the past. People notice mistakes more than they notice good things. Perhaps it's natural, but I think it has more to do with nurture than nature.
      People are in all ways biased, everyone is biased, even though if you think that you're not biased, you're biased. Some biases are more... extreme than others, like racism.
      Anyway, people judge you from their biases and that's what creates your problem.
      Also, people talk a lot about other people who aren't there (it's second favourite subject after yourself) And people exchange things they remembered. As I mentioned before, people notice mistakes more than good stuff.
      I'm not sure if there's away around it. You can change a bit, but there'll always be stuff that, you know...

      Good luck with it
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      Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
      A wet back and a darkie jump of a building. Who wins? Society.

      Sorry, that was racist... let me rephrase that.

      A Latino and an African American jump off a building. Who wins? Society.

      Gee, now that was better isn't it?

      Anyway, Mark Twain said "Any feeling, if sincere, is involuntary", or was it... "Any feeling, if involuntary, is sincere" actually its the first one just looked it up... but anyway what's so wrong with racism? Can people really control what you feel or think or believe? The only things u can truly control are ur actions, unless ur an eplictic. Sure u may think that a black guy moving to ur neighborhood is a "well there goes the neighborhood" idea. Doesn't mean u have to put burning crosses in his yard and invite ur klan buddies for a lynching party. I just might be missing something... I been in a Texas school were about 1/3 were black, 1/3 latino, and 1/3 white or asian. I been in Kansas school where theres about 5 black people, and I might be a few over cause some of them might be hispanic, I never been good at dicephering between the humans... also I'm sick of people saying that the racial barrier has fallen because Barak is in office. I'm gonna keep away from politics... cause once I get into some issues its just a long (errr longer) rant. Also if I remember right, racism is the idea of blacks of hispanic or asians or whites or insert whatever in here being flawed or worse or something, but discrimination is when u start acting on it.

      Everything is wrong with Racism. Cause that same racist mentality that makes people think "here goes the neighborhood" when they see a black guy, is the same mentality that makes people not give a job to a latino that is perfectly qualified. It is the very same ignorance from which burning crosses on black people's lawns came. The same mentality that drove germans to systematically enslave and murder Jews: Civilians, from newborn babys to old ladies, All murdered. The same mentality that sent a pack of angry people on Krystalnacht when the glass windows of every jewish shop and synagogue were shattered before most of them were torched, it is the same mentality that motivates suicide bombers to blow themselves up in an Isra&#235;li discotheque full of young, innocent people, The same mentality that drove Europeans to see Africans as "inferior" and "subhuman" and therefor enslave them...etc And if this Racist mentality isn't frozen in it's tracks and extremely opressed, it will develop and grow untill it drives people to commit the murderous, excessive crimes against humanity.

      If you think stamping out Racism is "hypocritical" and exagerated, then you must not be truely aware of the consequences of people judging eachother on their Race; Try walking around with a Kippah and a Davidstar pendant for a while, or do it properly and dress up like a Chassidic jew. I think after only one week you may start to understand alot better what exactly is so wrong about Racism and why it needs to be stomped out.
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