Thread: is my sub-coincious stoping me from luciding?

Originally posted by Seth
i took a test saying my sub-coincouis is preouccipuied about health, and i heard that luciding leaves some people tird afterword.Could my sub-coincious be stoping me from luciding?

Actually, whether or not a Lucid dream is enervating or not depends upon the dream content -- whether one is putting out energy or receiving it. In Dreams of Light one wakes up with something of an afterglow that lasts the day long.

Now, regarding while your Dream Mind is blocking your attempts at lucidity. I would suspect that your Dream Mind has some issues that it feels needs to be addressed first. The Dream Mind, after receiving so many Suggestions to go Lucid, certainly would not leave you entirely clueless as to why it is refusing the request. Have you noticed any recurrent dreams, or on-going dream motifs. Many people think that 'understanding' dreams is enough, but often the Dreaming Mind wants the Dreamer to more than understand. The Dream Mind is looking for the Dreamer to make a correct or appropriate response to the Dream Action. The Dreaming Mind presents us with Tests and we cannot move onward until we Pass these progressive Tests. My feeling is that you are having a series of repetitive dreams to which you have not yet made the correct response, and that your Dreaming Mind will not allow Lucidity until you get over this particular hump, whatever it is.

So, how many Dream Motifs are there? The most common one is to be trying to escape from some malignant force. Well, the correct response is to turn and fight. You don't even have to win, in fact it is probably preferable to get killed by it. The point of getting killed is to, first, DON'T WAKE UP, but to stay dead for about 20 seconds until you realize that you are not dead. Voila! You are now Immortal and Deathless. You can make no progress in dreams until you know in the very core of your Dream Self that you are Deathless and Immortal. One can't really be comfortalbe flying and levitating without this underlying confidence in one's deathlessness, and certainly no Heroic Action can be taken in dreams without the Fearlessness that comes from know that one can laugh in the face of Death.

Or perhaps you have another issue.

i've had no recent reccouring dreams, but when i was like six i had one would that count?

EDIT: wait! would it work if i made a reacurring dream with some kind of evil force than defeat it my self!? (kind of like proving to my sub-coincouis that i am ready insted of him juest throwing me some weird test)That way id prove i can alter and make dreams and that i can stand up to face thease evil D.C.'s!

and um by light do you mean the forces of good or OMG ITS BLINDING ME kind of light?

Good post about fearlessness , Leo

I'll give you a slightly different perspective - your subconscious mind attempting to interrupt or prevent your lucidity is a side effect of inexperience. While I was still new to the whole lucid dreaming thingie, my mind constantly tried to trick me out of lucidity. Voices during WILD, sometimes catastrophic failures or attacks by unknown entities all ruined my lucidity and made me wake up.

However, after I mastered certain degree of dream control and awareness, the attacks/voices/failures completely stopped.

ummm... by inexperence do you mean outside of a lucid dream or in a lucid dream
beceause when it comes to knowing all the techneques and stuff like that im no mere novice

By experience I mean overall ability to achieve and function within a lucid dream. While I was practicing conventional methods of achieving lucidity, the fear of waking up or losing lucidity was there. Lucid dreams were (relatively) unfrequent and precious My mind played on these emotions and effectively used them to end about a third of all my lucid dreams.

But last summer everything changed I like to think about it as lucid "enlightment" - I've discovered the dream reentry technique and all my fears of losing lucidity just vanished - even if I woke up or was losing lucidity, I simply reentered dream and continued whatever I was doing. Pretty much I gained incredible amount of confidence in my dreaming ability and it banished all interference from within a dream


Now I'm thinking that the interference from my subconscious mind might still be there, except it has changed direction: now unnatural laziness and lack of motivation often prevent me from lucidly dreaming....

what i usally try is wild with wake back to bed i always get to like the last stage and than wake up.some people think im staying to coincous but i still think my sub-coincious is not letting me finish
EDIT: im also trying placebo's sublime program im makeing it say "FOX HELP SETH LUCID!" i say fox becuse i've named my sub-coincious in hopes of be-friending it.(please dont say my subcoincious's name when others say or write it for some reason it gives me a splitting headache )

EV you talk of a lucid "enlightment" could you explain more on this cause i feel im having problems geting lucid for lack of knowing im dreaming whiles it happening.