Literal Out-of-Body Experiences

[Alyzarin]

This is something that I've been wondering about for a while, and I've worked on it a little bit but I usually forget while lucid. Let me explain what I mean by "literal".... There's a lot of talk about OBEs here, but even in the typical out-of-body/astral projection experience you still have a body. The implication of the "out-of-body" name is generally that you're outside of your physical body, but your mind still incorporates a mock physical form, exactly like in a dream. And since your mind generates your entire experience even when you are in your physical body, there really isn't any difference in the way these experiences are composed, the difference is just in where the information being used to piece them together is coming from. What I'm interested in is the type of third-person experience you get where your perception of having a body is completely gone, whether physical or otherwise, and there's nothing separating you at all from the rest of your perceptions. The only times I've ever been at this point in a lucid dream I felt like the camera in a video game level designer mode, I could easily slide around to whichever point in space I wanted and everything I wanted to move or alter was easily achievable as the environment felt like it was just a map of my mind (like I was experiencing a visualization as opposed to a complete dream scene). It's this level of control that really interests me, I think you could do a lot from this state of mind if you used it right. Does anyone have much experience with this? I'm really interested in what people might have achieved through this method.

[dutchraptor]

Yes I have quite alot of experience with this experience. The method I use allows me to (how should I say it) become part of the dream unniverse. I can feel my consciousness as a singularity yet I know that I have no physical body and that I am everywhere at once. It's hard to describe how it feels when you don't have a view but it essentially equates to not seeing but actually feeling the presence of everything around you. It's weird because I know I'm everywhere but I still feel like I'm referencing distances and positions from one point. After reading the "void trilogy" in which a race elevates to a higher state using machinery I became increasingly interested into how it would feel in a dream to elevate to a higher state. So I decided to start a new chapter in my lucid dreaming adventure which completely changed my perception of dreams. I call it "dream transendence". I decided to test various aspects of omniscience and omnipotence and see how I would manufacture them in the dream, therefore I needed a way to transcend. I decided to use a ancient portal which was in one of my other dreams based on the void trilogy. As I walk up to the portal in a lucid dream I know that as I walk in I will lose all physical aspects of my body and become fully engrained into the dream-fabric. It is an absolutely unforgetable experience even after doing it over 20 times now. It feels like your lower abdomen is ripped apart but without the pain, your mind feels like it is gushing with information yet it is completely empty (I just felt like I was pipe passing on the information of the dream yet able to read and monitor the information). I feel like I'm melted over everything and without any problem I become fully omnipotent, nothing is capable of standing in my way and I can change any aspect of the dream. Around my tenth attempt I decided to see if I could change the laws of the dreamscape (Offcourse I could change them normally but they would usually revert as I payed no attention to them). I tried to analyze how the atoms functioned and instantly I could see the way it all worked. I told the dream to change the way light traveled and instantly I could see all the paths of light in the dream changing their trajectories, curving and twisting forming convoluted shapes. That was probably my most interesting one, I'm still experimenting though and I've had a lot of work to do lately so I haven't been able to test much of my ideas yet.

[Alyzarin]

Yes I have quite alot of experience with this experience. The method I use allows me to (how should I say it) become part of the dream unniverse. I can feel my consciousness as a singularity yet I know that I have no physical body and that I am everywhere at once. It's hard to describe how it feels when you don't have a view but it essentially equates to not seeing but actually feeling the presence of everything around you. It's weird because I know I'm everywhere but I still feel like I'm referencing distances and positions from one point. Yes! That's exactly what I was referring to when I said the environment becomes a map of my mind. After reading the "void trilogy" in which a race elevates to a higher state using machinery I became increasingly interested into how it would feel in a dream to elevate to a higher state. So I decided to start a new chapter in my lucid dreaming adventure which completely changed my perception of dreams. I call it "dream transendence". I decided to test various aspects of omniscience and omnipotence and see how I would manufacture them in the dream, therefore I needed a way to transcend. I decided to use a ancient portal which was in one of my other dreams based on the void trilogy. As I walk up to the portal in a lucid dream I know that as I walk in I will lose all physical aspects of my body and become fully engrained into the dream-fabric. It is an absolutely unforgetable experience even after doing it over 20 times now. It feels like your lower abdomen is ripped apart but without the pain, your mind feels like it is gushing with information yet it is completely empty (I just felt like I was pipe passing on the information of the dream yet able to read and monitor the information). I feel like I'm melted over everything and without any problem I become fully omnipotent, nothing is capable of standing in my way and I can change any aspect of the dream. That's a good method, I'll have to keep that in mind! Usually I just move my perspective backwards out of my body, like it's just another reflex, which works very well but usually ends up being fairly unstable. Makes possession easy, though lol. It's definitely good to have more plot-like things in the dreams like your way so that it holds up a bit more easily. The physical experience sounds nice too, in fact that whole description sounds like something that happened to me once when I stared at a wall in a dream until the universe collapsed. The resulting mindset was basically as you described except that I was very non-lucid (and was even while staring at the wall) so the whole thing was kind of pointless and chaotic. But on the flip side, I actually believed that I had those powers, which was nice. Around my tenth attempt I decided to see if I could change the laws of the dreamscape (Offcourse I could change them normally but they would usually revert as I payed no attention to them). I tried to analyze how the atoms functioned and instantly I could see the way it all worked. I told the dream to change the way light traveled and instantly I could see all the paths of light in the dream changing their trajectories, curving and twisting forming convoluted shapes. That was probably my most interesting one, I'm still experimenting though and I've had a lot of work to do lately so I haven't been able to test much of my ideas yet. Sounds like fun. That's pretty much what I'm going for. I don't honestly have much interest for lucid dreaming aside from altering the rules of reality like that. It seems like a waste to do anything else when these kinds of experiences are available to us. Thanks for the input, dutch!

[dutchraptor]

No problem aly, I defintely hope you give it a try because it is mind blowing I just think it's so awesome how our mind can think of this stuff. Tell me how it goes if you use the portal method

[Alyzarin]

I certainly will! Yeah, our brains are pretty magnificent. Probably the coolest thing I ever experienced like this through a lucid was when I flew so fast that I kind of broke through to that omnipotent feeling and I could see all things in my environment at once, in every direction around every corner, and I could immediately move my point of view to any of the spots. Good stuff. It really reveals just how much processing is going on to create the world we see at all times.

[Woodstock]

I decided to use a ancient portal which was in one of my other dreams based on the void trilogy. As I walk up to the portal in a lucid dream I know that as I walk in I will lose all physical aspects of my body and become fully engrained into the dream-fabric. It is an absolutely unforgetable experience even after doing it over 20 times now. It feels like your lower abdomen is ripped apart but without the pain, your mind feels like it is gushing with information yet it is completely empty (I just felt like I was pipe passing on the information of the dream yet able to read and monitor the information). I feel like I'm melted over everything and without any problem I become fully omnipotent, nothing is capable of standing in my way and I can change any aspect of the dream. Around my tenth attempt I decided to see if I could change the laws of the dreamscape (Offcourse I could change them normally but they would usually revert as I payed no attention to them). I tried to analyze how the atoms functioned and instantly I could see the way it all worked. I told the dream to change the way light traveled and instantly I could see all the paths of light in the dream changing their trajectories, curving and twisting forming convoluted shapes. That sounds awesome! I'll try this the next time I have a lucid dream and remember.

[dutchraptor]

That sounds awesome! I'll try this the next time I have a lucid dream and remember. I'm actually starting a project or I might set up a thread outlining this idea in more detail. I call it project transendance, I wish to achieve much more than what I had done in that dream, if I find the time to write it up, I'll ask if you want to join. Basically I just wan't to mess around with all the aspects of defying your expectations, and becoming and experiencing things beyond our range in real life.

[Alyzarin]

I'm actually starting a project or I might set up a thread outlining this idea in more detail. I call it project transendance, I wish to achieve much more than what I had done in that dream, if I find the time to write it up, I'll ask if you want to join. Basically I just wan't to mess around with all the aspects of defying your expectations, and becoming and experiencing things beyond our range in real life. Hey dutch, you should let me in if you ever get that going. That's pretty much all I've wanted to do since I first started becoming lucid lol.

[dutchraptor]

Hey dutch, you should let me in if you ever get that going. That's pretty much all I've wanted to do since I first started becoming lucid lol. Sure no problem It might take a while but I'll see to it that I start this.

[Alyzarin]

Sure no problem It might take a while but I'll see to it that I start this. Awesome! Hehe, I can wait, I need to build up my recall again first anyway then.