Watch out for the authority.

[delpiero]

I used to control all my dreams for years, having a hell of a time doing so. I even remember that for almost a complete full year I was in this ZOMBIE war with one of my buddies. We were just shooting zombies and evil people all the time, flying around, driving motorcycle at incredible speeds, doing magic tricks basically the imagination was the limit... ... or I thought it was.... I don't control my dreams anymore, if you read my other thread now in my dreams Im actually living a parrallel life where I have rules to follow, I have orders from superiors, task's to perform and restrain myself. Basically living in a parrallel reality. How it stopped ? I dont know if this ever happened to anyone of you. But you see a face a clear face with deep eyes of a person that looks at you and just penetrates your whole soul. I saw this face of a dude with a barb with a terrible look that litteraly almost succeeded his sphear spell. The face was so clear and the eyes so deep, he looked at me and I realised that was it, that I went too far in controlling my dreams, all I remember is that I challenged something, like the authorities of the dreams, their limits, their core. All that look told me was something like "stop fucking around or Ill make you go insane" The best way I can explain is in Dungeon & Dragons the level 9 spell phear that if you dont succeed your save check you fall into insanity for ever. And I somehow succeeded my save but I realised that I fucked up something. Thats how the fun part of controling dream ended. I still use all I learned from that period by being very strong in my tasks, but I just dont have control on the structures around, and now the people I meet arent just marionetts or zombies, their real entities, weaker or stronger.

[Marvo]

It's all in your head, thus you can take control over it. The only reason all this is happening, is because you think it should happen. Stop thinking that.

[delpiero]

Not really. When you interfere with other people spirits you don't do what you want when you want. Its a fight of who has the strongest will. But I understand your reply, I used to think that way 10 years ago. Keep controlling your dreams brother, push the limits. Here is an easy way to test it, fly in the ground next time your in a LD that you control, and go as deep and long as you can, look for that borderline. I challenge you.

[delpiero]

I just surfed you dream journal, and I realise your not at the point of controlling your dreams yet. I still always try to control what I can, but I just can't f** around anymore and destroy stuff for fun. anyway its hard to explain, my thread is more to ask people here that control their dreams if they ever saw a face that inspire them phear, or if they ever felt some kind of authority such as cops or guardians that would limit their controlling actions.

[Marvo]

I see. I must say, that I'm not planing on taking over dream characters, or anything of the like in my dreams. Sure, I'll blow up stuff, but controlling people and all that, nah, I don't really want that. It removes the element of surprise. By the way, do you believe in anything religious? I'm quite sure, that religion is a big problem, regarding lucid-dreams. Many people keep asking "Will I go to Hell if I do <sin> in a lucid-dream?", which makes them doubt themselfs and then loosing control. I personally don't believe in anything, except for science. Why don't you just ignore these guardian people? They can't hurt you.

[Xaqaria]

Sounds like you've already lost all touch with reality buddy. If you base your knowledge of the real world off of a role playing game, you have no worries about going insane in your dreams since you are already seriously maladjusted.

[delpiero]

I see. I must say, that I'm not planing on taking over dream characters, or anything of the like in my dreams. Sure, I'll blow up stuff, but controlling people and all that, nah, I don't really want that. It removes the element of surprise. By the way, do you believe in anything religious? I'm quite sure, that religion is a big problem, regarding lucid-dreams. Many people keep asking "Will I go to Hell if I do <sin> in a lucid-dream?", which makes them doubt themselfs and then loosing control. I personally don't believe in anything, except for science. Why don't you just ignore these guardian people? They can't hurt you. No my dream researches that Im on since the past 15 years are all based on the Scientific Method. Im a catholic but I put aside all my religious belief when I perform my researches. You can't hold on anything when you do that because you HAVE first travel as a free spirit. The limits I found arent part of my imagination. Like you said I let things go most of times but in my "controlling" periods I was being a lil prick by challenging everything. I went pretty far. Check Ill just give you a clear dream controlling dream I just did 2 weeks ago. I take a nap and fall asleep. I find myself completely Lucid in a village. But I feel weak because I was just coming back from trainning and my body was all hurt. So I was in a little rustic village like the ones u see in Denmark, with plains and brick houses with wood roof. I decide to control to see if I can regenerate from my weak feeling. So I decide to pump my muscle and my body starts to grow. I then get taller like a giant and I decide to challenge the dream by checking its limit. Si I just fly straight where I see mountains, and go faster and faster... My objective was to find the limit of the dream the borderline of the set up. Wich I found when the pictures started to shade away and I woke up. __________ But the work part is a TOTAL DIFFERENT TYPE OF DREAM. The AUTHORITY I found years ago happened because I was destroying a lot of stuff and I really dont remmeber what I did but it was bad. _________________ Sounds like you've already lost all touch with reality buddy. If you base your knowledge of the real world off of a role playing game, you have no worries about going insane in your dreams since you are already seriously maladjusted. *clap clap* I lose touch with reality when I dream, yes that phenomena tends to happen to me rofl ! As for the role playing game, level 9 Phear was the best way I could describe it but I havent played D&D since prolly 12 years. It was just the best example I could find to describe it. How can I explain this, look at a person , anyone around you. Look straight in his eyes and try to go deep inside his soul. Thats how freaky it was. I never ever ever dreamed so clearly about a human face before. The details were all perfect and the presence was all there. The look was so deep inside my soul that it almost made me go insane. And Ill I remember from that message "stop fooling around" or "you went too far" If I would mix gaming, or religious beliefs I would say without hesitation that I met the devil, as he had a dark barb, dark eyes , dark hairs and looked very very evil. But see Im not even saying that, Im just saying a face that inspired me a lot of fear.

[KuRoSaKi]

Could you clear up what you mean by authority exactly? I am a little confused at what you are trying to convey.

[delpiero]

Well first this is to warn people that control their dreams that there is a authority out there when you go to far. But since no one so far found any, the new idea is to ask to people that are very far in their abilities to control dream if they ever bumped into a limit. Anykind of limit, a barrier that made them stop controlling.

[KuRoSaKi]

So you are saying that all dreams have a boundary, a limit. Or a higher being that watches over like a "God" within our dreams. And while we may be thinking that we are the "Gods" of our own dreams we are in fact "Jesus" in that we may have many abilities etc, but there is someone who is all powerful that has power over us? I've noticed a dream is very lucid although if I go overboard it kind of "Stops" like it seems like there is nothing more that I can do like I have reached a end point in the dream and I have to go back a few steps if I want to do something like turn around and go on from there. Is this what you are talking about.

[delpiero]

So you are saying that all dreams have a boundary, a limit. Or a higher being that watches over like a "God" within our dreams. And while we may be thinking that we are the "Gods" of our own dreams we are in fact "Jesus" in that we may have many abilities etc, but there is someone who is all powerful that has power over us? I've noticed a dream is very lucid although if I go overboard it kind of "Stops" like it seems like there is nothing more that I can do like I have reached a end point in the dream and I have to go back a few steps if I want to do something like turn around and go on from there. Is this what you are talking about. aight I went back to my old Research Journal and this is the part that I wrote about it ...this face that came that night after a control trip in a dream was a rather scary and unpleasant face. It was the face of a man, with dark eyes, I think a barb or a moustache, but I know that this person inspired me fear but very deep and clear fear. It was so intense that I really felt that I almost went insane and panic. I never experienced this before in real life, sometimes people have the look deep, they look at you and its like if they were going inside of you with their eyes. This face was paralysing my whole soul with fear. I understood right away that somehow I crossed a line, I don’t remember what I exactly did, but I remember it had to do with controlling a dream where I went too far probably and this face was like the authority, I interpret it as the devil himself that’s how strong it felt. Since that day I realised that maybe there was some rules and structure in dreams and that somehow there is things you better not control, and at the same time if you pass all your dreams controlling them and having fun, then your not in a receiving mode where your in a state of mind to see premonitory dreams or other aspects. My conclusion by then was that its not good to try to control all your dreams. There is dreams you can (like the one u describe) but other dreams are there totalk to you and you have to be in a receiving mode. That is still a theory I need to prove tho.

[Marvo]

Oh, like that, I've tried similare stuff myself, with people looking deep into me, sorta paralyzing me and freaking me out. Normal dreams though. A person on this forum, also reported he was in a lucid, talking with a friend. They were around a cinema, and a bald man passed by them. They both looked at the man, and then talked again. Later on, the man came back, walked directly up to the lucid-dreamer, and looked into his eyes, and then, he experienced the same thing, that you did. He got controlled by the man, paralyzed, and inspired with fear. I believe this is just a product of stress and such. Nothing to be afraid of, or to take seriously. I'm an atheist, afterall. The authority can not hurt me, because I do not believe in him/them.

[Sortilegio]

Em... I kind of didn't finish reading everything because you seem to discuss anything that may go against you. I've been lucid dreaming like 80% - 90% of my dreams since I'm like 4, And the only boundry I've ever met up with is tirenes., You're either boundrying yourself up, or makeing this up. No ofense.

[Marvo]

Namcosis on this forum, has also been lucid-dreaming, since he was 7 or so. He doesn't seem to take that much power, but from what I can gather, he hasn't meet any sort of ristricticting force or authority. His father, however, has experienced something weird, that made him stop lucid-dreaming.

[Hazel]

It sounds pretty strange, but I'm sure nothing in your dream can hurt you. Sure it might scare you pretty bad, or freak you out, but no real harm can be done. What do you think will happen if you try to take control of your dreams again? I think you should try it!

[Namcosis]

aight I went back to my old Research Journal and this is the part that I wrote about it ...this face that came that night after a control trip in a dream was a rather scary and unpleasant face. It was the face of a man, with dark eyes, I think a barb or a moustache, but I know that this person inspired me fear but very deep and clear fear. It was so intense that I really felt that I almost went insane and panic. I never experienced this before in real life, sometimes people have the look deep, they look at you and its like if they were going inside of you with their eyes. This face was paralysing my whole soul with fear. I understood right away that somehow I crossed a line, I don’t remember what I exactly did, but I remember it had to do with controlling a dream where I went too far probably and this face was like the authority, I interpret it as the devil himself that’s how strong it felt. Since that day I realised that maybe there was some rules and structure in dreams and that somehow there is things you better not control, and at the same time if you pass all your dreams controlling them and having fun, then your not in a receiving mode where your in a state of mind to see premonitory dreams or other aspects. My conclusion by then was that its not good to try to control all your dreams. There is dreams you can (like the one u describe) but other dreams are there totalk to you and you have to be in a receiving mode. That is still a theory I need to prove tho. Well delpiero i have to go with marvo on this one i for one have been lucid dreaming for a very long time i have never once met with this authority. I believe that it is all in you're mind, it could be you're religion that is subconsciously making you think so. I also believe that as long as you hold on to those beliefs you will not be able to go back to lucid dreaming like you used to . Or will you be able to fully enjoy it either. I hope you eventually get over this cuz i find it's such a waste to stop lucid dreaming just for such a small incident.

[Xaqaria]

I think the same saying works here as in all aspects of dreaming; It's all in your head. The information your brain draws off of during dreams comes from the outside world, but the way that information is organized and interpreted comes from entirely within yourself. Therefore, if there are boundaries in your dreams, they are self imposed boundaries, whether conscious or unconscious. Now, this isn't to say that you shouldn't heed them. It is entirely possible that if you were to have attempted to break those boundaries and defy this perceived authority you would have gone crazy. Every person has limits that they must choose to either avoid or challenge and for some the flight aspect of human nature is the best option. All I'm saying is that to think you've found some sort of universal truth that applies to each and everyone of us is self-centered to say the least. There are limits, but they are different for every individual and so must be approached differently for yourself. You say you have been working on lucid dreaming for 15 years but I have been lucid dreaming for all but maybe 5 years out of my entire 23 year long life and I still feel like a beginner. I know I haven't come even within glimpsing the horizon of the capabilities of my mind and will thus forge onward harder if possible each and every day.

[Cammy]

Namcosis on this forum, has also been lucid-dreaming, since he was 7 or so. He doesn't seem to take that much power, but from what I can gather, he hasn't meet any sort of ristricticting force or authority. His father, however, has experienced something weird, that made him stop lucid-dreaming. What made him stop lucid dreaming? I think this face is nothing to be scared about, try and come over it. Maybe train your alilities up or something then call out this person and have an epic battle ! Kill him and once again rule your dreams!

[Marvo]

Cammy, he hasn't told Namcosis. He just told Namcosis, that he stopped doing it, because of some crazy experience.

[Cammy]

Oh right ok then

[juroara]

lets just imagine for a moment that this authority is real, that there are spirits of some kind who pull the strings of our dreams. In all of these situations where the lucid dreamer met this authority, that authority used fear to make the lucid dreamer stop being in control. fear is a negative state of being. in the belief of spirits, no good spirit would ever resort to using fear to control a person in any way shape of form. fear is only used by negative spirits, and such spirits dont have your best interests in mind. so this so called authority doesnt have your best interests in mind. fear itself is a way to control people, when we are meant to express our free will. because we do have free will no one can control us. no human, no god, no government. we can only be controlled if we believe someone has 'authority' over us. so tell this dream authority they can shoove it up their hole. never let fear get the best of you. continue being the master of your dreams ps. when I was around 11 years old I had a very vivid nightmare of giant insects in my room. I had a false awakening and ran to the living room to tell my older sister about my dream. Her face was 100% realistic. I could see the pores of her skin, every eyelash and every detail the way it should be. Her posture, facial expressions and voice were completely natural. But I quickly realized something was wrong. My sisters face was five years younger than it should have been. And it was probably one of my most frightening dream moments of all when I realized this person ive been talking to isnt my sister. yet I still felt I was talking to a real entity, becuase the eyes had 'soul' in them. When I realized it wasnt my sister, I took some steps back and demanded to know who the entity was. My false sister just smiled at me, with sinister eyes. And I didnt get the impression the person sitting in front of me was nice. . . I some how forced myself awake, I think I jumped out the window in a panic or something :p. A lot of people have these sort of frightening experiences, wether it be an entity or your own subconscious self, but dreaming is too rewarding to let it stop me