Thread: Expierenced LDers only! Very expierenced!

1. I am interested in the level of control an expierenced LDer has over his/her dream. When posting please be very expierenced and give descriptive accounts of the expierience. Can you simply change the seen at will. Can you make anything happen at a moments notice. Additionally, are you able to enter lucidity at will anytime during sleep. I know that Stephen LaBerge could lucid dream at will 3 and 4 times a night.

When I am lucid I can do abolutely anything, it is like being God. There are no limitations if you have enough faith in your dream control. I cannot 100% enter a lucid dream. My accuracy is about 60%, I have about 3 lucids a week.

2. I now that when you first start out. LD requires diligent effort and can affect the quality of sleep due to dream journals. After one has become very proficient in LD, do you still wake up mulitiple times during the night or can you simply sleep all the way through. Also, does the fact that your consious keep you from having the same quality of sleep as when your not consious.

You are wrong, LD does not require any effort at all. I have been having LDs all my life without trying.
Dream journals do not affect quality of sleep either, you just write something down and go back to sleep.
About waking up: if you tell yourself you want to wake up then you probably will.
The quality of sleep is not affected much.

I just have to say I dont understand why I am reading so much about lucid dreaming = lack of sleep.

Lucid dreams have nothing to do with how often you wake up in the night. A vivid non-lucid dream has just as much chance as waking you up. Also, if you are waking yourself up to jot down the lucid dream after it has happened, then I don't understand this either.

A lucid is lucid because you are aware - you are 'awake' in the dream. Sure, people can barely remember what they had for dinner yesterday, but I certainly hope you can remember what you ate just a few hours ago. Lucid dreams shouldn't be any different. You should be able to remember all of your lucid dreams in the morning. Since when you are aware, you remember. If you can't remember your lucid dreams, are you sure you were lucid?

That's a good point. I guess through all the reading and research I've done; for the most part inexpierenced LDers have alot of complications such as dream recall, being able to become lucid, and most of all dream control. Alot of people put such emphasis on practicing that I asummed only expierenced LDers would be able to bring knowledge to this topic. I do understand that some people are gifted but I think for the most part most people have to diligently work at it. I am very interested in the level of control that you have over your dream. Do you care to share.

I suppose it's an understandable misconception; I think for the most part people needing to work at control is because they don't fully understand what's going on, combined with a lack of confidence.

1. I am interested in the level of control an expierenced LDer has over his/her dream. When posting please be very expierenced and give descriptive accounts of the expierience. Can you simply change the seen at will. Can you make anything happen at a moments notice. Additionally, are you able to enter lucidity at will anytime during sleep. I know that Stephen LaBerge could lucid dream at will 3 and 4 times a night.

I haven't had the chance to change the scene at will; the amount of time I've had whilst lucid has been the limiting factor sadly. I have however managed to sucessfully perform many of the advanced things I have tried, in most cases first time.

As an example, the first time I tried to fly in my 2nd lucid dream, I effortlessly managed it, and was able to fly extremely high at an astonishing speed. An amazing sensation, to say the least. I've been able to use many different powers, all perfectly. Flight, electrokinesis, pyrokinesis, telekinesis, phasing through walls ... the list will likely grow much bigger as I have more dreams.

However, when changing the dream world itself, instead of my own personal abilities, for instance, creating items out of nothing, I tend to find that more focus is required. For instance, when I created a parachute, it had no pull to open it initially, and when creating a tuxedo, the material texture was not initially how I wanted it.

Based on what I've done so far, it seems that providing I can focus enough, I can do more or less whatever I want.

However at the moment, I cannot have lucid dreams at will.

2. I now that when you first start out. LD requires diligent effort and can affect the quality of sleep due to dream journals. After one has become very proficient in LD, do you still wake up mulitiple times during the night or can you simply sleep all the way through. Also, does the fact that your consious keep you from having the same quality of sleep as when your not consious.

I've been waking up a few times a night, usually after a sleep cycle, but this hasn't affected the quality of my sleep. Personally, the time at which I go to sleep seems to determine the quality. For instance going to bed at 11PM means I wake up at 7AM fresh and relaxed, whereas if I go to bed at 4PM, I can wake up at 2PM, extremely tired, even with more sleep!

Originally Posted by juroara

I just have to say I dont understand why I am reading so much about lucid dreaming = lack of sleep.

Lucid dreams have nothing to do with how often you wake up in the night. A vivid non-lucid dream has just as much chance as waking you up. Also, if you are waking yourself up to jot down the lucid dream after it has happened, then I don't understand this either.

A lucid is lucid because you are aware - you are 'awake' in the dream. Sure, people can barely remember what they had for dinner yesterday, but I certainly hope you can remember what you ate just a few hours ago. Lucid dreams shouldn't be any different. You should be able to remember all of your lucid dreams in the morning. Since when you are aware, you remember. If you can't remember your lucid dreams, are you sure you were lucid?

Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to others. I sleep through the whole night most times when I don't have LDs - especially when I wasn't trying. And still remember 2-3 dreams. I do wake up after particularly emotion-provoking dreams though, like nightmares.

I believe since in LDs you are there consciously, there is more emotion involved - causing you to wake up. Why do you think people have problems staying in the dream once they realize they are dreaming? They get excited.

Anyway, I ALWAYS wake up after a lucid. Or else I don't remember them, which would be very odd since I have very good dream recall

This can get very disturbing since I often can't resist using DEILDs a few times after each lucid.

I'm not saying it is a terribly bad thing. I'd rather wake up after a LD and have the chance for reentry than to continue with sleeping till morning and not have that opportunity.