Yeah, focusing on an afterimage trains the attention which in any case should be an essential skill though, but I guess it's not really useful after getting past the newbie stage (not sure when that ends though :p) |
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But remember the spot that I turned into a square. I think maybe what ever is not a real stimuli of sight, that you see, is imagined; so maybe it's easier to play with it, rather than something that is really out there, or just darkness. |
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Yeah, focusing on an afterimage trains the attention which in any case should be an essential skill though, but I guess it's not really useful after getting past the newbie stage (not sure when that ends though :p) |
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Old thread I know but I don't CAAAAAAAAAAARE as Pewdiepie would say, |
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This thread has become new, with new ideas, new interest, and hopefully new success. :-) |
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I've found that after I've focused on the darkness for a while and light appear, I can somehow "push" the light. I've been able to push the light until it forms a line, but not something like a circle yet. It seems to me that a key skill to learn is concentration. The better concentration I get, the more it seems I can do with this stuff. |
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I made images for the individual concentration exercise cards and added a black dot in the middle to keep the focus on. |
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Hey good job phasemancer. I don't know how you find all those forums and sites; I guess it's probably because you're not lazy like me. |
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I just use google :p For example one of the things I was searching for was "meditation afterimage rotation", because I was wondering whether anyone could rotate afterimages, since for example Sythix's tutorial mentioned rotating images. |
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I didn't have HI for a long time. It's hard to know what is HI, and what is LD. I used to have just pictures appear and disappear pretty quickly. That's what it was; but it came from an odd angle. I started to see a picture; maybe a part of it was still in the dark. I mostly knew it was an image. I usually have a knowing what is not real. For instance, once when I opened my eyes, right after a dream, I saw an illusion, a spider like grey shape; and even though it looked totally real, I knew it was an illusion |
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I just found that more than a century ago, professor George Trumbull Ladd at Yale University did scientific studies on this. Here are pdf's of the studies |
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What the hell?! Only 4 subjects out of 16, didn't report success. What are we (And more importantly I'm) doing wrong? |
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It seems like it is supposed to happen quite quickly when you do it correctly and the skill should also improve fast. It's definitely not been improving quickly for me, even though I do have some success, but my control of stuff is still rather limited, so I guess there's something I'm not doing quite right :p |
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Yeah, it's not like any skill. I could fly a plain within an hour, probably. I can do anything (without bragging :-p). But those things are not like any skill; it's like the success here is at the mercy of the subconscious part of the mind, which sometimes just mercifully gives us a glimpse of what could be done with it; and there's no training method, known to us. |
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The papers I linked to previously seems to be some of very few scientific investigations into this, but it seems to be pretty common in spiritual practices. |
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It seems that people who have success with these things, do it through influencing the subconscious. And my subconscious is really hard to influence. That whole placebo effect ~ believing in stuff. So it won't be a good method to learn this, for me. |
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To an extent that is true, though I think that the Mylynes way of moving "pixels" around should require less of this than methods where you imagine an object and then see it. |
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This morning I woke up after sleeping maybe 6 hours, and I thought I'd just lie in bed and try to practice this a bit. I put my blanket over my eyes to make sure it was really dark, and then I tried to focus on "selecting" a single "pixel" to try to change it into something else. As I was doing this I noticed a few times that images was flashing by and suddenly I found myself fully immersed in a dream. I was standing on a road outside some tunnel and realized that I had just fallen asleep, so it definitely works for WILDing also. |
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Now I've made some definite progress. Making stable shapes is still difficult, but I've found that it's quite easy for me to generate colored blobs. I look at the points of light and then I focus on the memory of a color and try to visualize it, I found that I have most success with dark red and blue. I can now focus on red and visualize the color red and how it would look until I get a red cloud of color, I can then expand this cloud to fill my entire field of vision. With blue it's similar, but I find it harder to expand the blue color to fill a large area for some reason. |
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I found something pretty good. I actually didn't try to find something for the after image, or even related to this topic. I was actually reading about LAB color space in Photoshop; and somehow got eventually to this thing. |
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Anyone still active in this thread? However, about this whole technique thing. I cant seem to see the pixels described in step 1. Any tips on how to see them? |
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What do you see?! |
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@MrAccident |
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Thanks, Ill try that tomorrow when I have time. If I understand this right, what you see is your eyes input and the "pixels" are your minds input? And practising strenghtens that? |
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Binnen: |
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When I close my eyes I see level 1 noise, like MrAccident, also slower than in the animation on Wikipedia. One of the things I try to do sometimes is to capture one of these little dots with my attention, currently it takes me a while, up to half an hour, because they are moving fast and are hard to catch, but then it looks like the afterimage of a light bulb and becomes more stable. |
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