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      Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

      Advanced Vision Control

      I wasn't sure exactly where to put this so if it needs to be moved feel free to move it to where it needs to go. The goal of this tutorial is to enhance the amount of control a lucid dreamer has over his/her senses both while dreaming and also while awake.

      Ok I would like to start by saying that almost everything I have learned about controlling my senses has been learned from personal experimenting on my own. Because of this I do not have near as many terms for things as I will after being on this site for a while but I will do my best to explain things in a way that can be understood.

      This technique when mastered allows you to have complete control over all of your senses while either dreaming or awake. I believe that practicing this technique while awake will carry over and allow you better control while dreaming if you are already able to become lucid. This technique is my own personal way of manipulating my senses that has been slowly developed over a period of around 15 years. I will include information on all of the senses at some point but for now I will focus on sight because after getting good at controlling what you see the rest should fall into place fairly easily.

      The Technique
      The technique is simple enough. Basically what you are doing is directly overiding the images your brain sees. This is easiest to do while dreaming because your eyes are not picking up any light. While awake the less your real eyes see the easier it is to cause yourself to see whatever you want to see. With a bit of practice you can easily trick your brain into seeing something that is not there. I am also not talking about mere visualization which allows you to see images within your minds eye but instead any images you create should be seen as if they were actually there. One thing I would like to warn you about is after you are able to consciously exert control over your senses you may have issues with your subconscious creating things on its own. At a certain point these subconscious hallucinations could end up being a very bad thing. Ever heard of schizophrenia? Most likely the worst won't happen just be aware that if you practice this method of control it may open a door for your subconscious mind to create objects or entities that while real to you may not actually exist.


      While Awake

      Step One - See The Canvas
      When you first start practicing I suggest trying either in a dark room with your eyes closed or wearing a blindfold. Make sure that your eyes are not picking up a lot of light. What do you see? Really pay hard attention to what you see. You should see very small dots that may look something like static or small pixels on a computer screen. Do you see any colors or movement? I see these all the time. The few people I have taught this technique to reported not noticing anything at first but then upon further inspection they were all able to see what I am talking about. My theory is that anyone can see this but most people will automatically tone it out and not notice it.

      If you can't see anything then try closing your eyes, placing your palms against your eyelids and exert a small amount of pressure. You should see a lot of movement and colors even though your eyes are shut and there is no light to pick up. Try to recreate the same effect without exerting pressure on your eyes. You should probably try doing this at least one time but do not do it regularly. Your goal is to reproduce the strange visuals you get from putting a small amount of force on your eyes but without having to touch your eyes. After you get this down I would not suggest putting too much or for too long the pressure against the eyes because that may be bad for your eyes. You just need to learn to create the same things that caused you to see by using your mind.

      Step Two - Paint With Your Mind
      After you have managed to see the static each of these small particles can each be manipulated by your mind. This is the first and hardest step to using this form of sight manipulation. It is also the hardest to explain. It's similar to training a muscle that you have never really controlled before. Try turning them into a certain color or bringing them together to form simple shapes. You may not have much luck at first but if you keep trying you should get better.

      You can use visualization to help but the object here is not to merely see an image in your mind. If done correctly with little to no light interfering you should be actually seeing an image. Try looking at an image on your computer screen. Stare at it for about 10 seconds then quickly close your eyes and observe what you see. You should be able to see the image for a while before it gradually fades away. If my technique is done correctly then you should be able to form images completely on your own that should look similar to what you just saw with the picture. At first the images you produce may be very hard to create and may be a bit blurry but you will become better as you practice. To use visualization as an aid, first picture any image in your mind and hold it there. This image can be used as a blueprint to fill in the actual image you want to create. Try to create those particle things I talked about and then color and shape them to match the image. If you are getting better at this then by holding the blueprint in your mind you should be able to fill it in easily by just allowing the pixels to kind of get sucked into the image making it solid.

      If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.

      After you get the basics down try forming more complex images. Try forming images that move. Just experiment with it and try to give the images overall better quality.

      Step Three - Expanding Your Canvas
      If you think you have the skill down pretty well and you can create more complex images without light interfering then start trying to do the same exercises but gradually add in more light. Start off in a dimly lit room with your eyes open. When you paint an image into the air that you can see, you should also be able to see the dimly lit room at the same time. While you see both at the same time you can work on the ability to focus on only one imput.. Your imput. Solidify the image in your mind until you can only barely see the room you are in. Then slowly bring the real world imput back up until you can see the room again. Doing this regularly will increase your control.


      While Dreaming
      After you get better at your control while awake you can try bringing it into your lucid dreams. While in a dream using this method you can fairly easily control everything that you sense. While your eyes are open you can modify whatever you are currently seeing just by using the technique described above kind of like when Neo from the matrix started getting good at his powers. I'm talking about things like the scene where he was jumping into people and making walls bend and such.

      For another way to apply this to a dream you can swiftly change anything in the environment or even everything in the environment merely by closing your eyes, creating a blueprint in your mind, and then solidifying the image using the technique. Open your eyes to find yourself looking at whatever changes you wanted to make. With some practice you should be able to do this instantly. The only thing that should take some time is deciding what exactly you want to do. For me I usually skip the eye closing part I just constantly manipulate all of my senses to have the dream I want. I still use a blueprint on occasion though when it comes to creating more advanced objects. Like maybe I will practice splitting my focus and create as many chess boards as I can floating in the air. I would also create enough people to have as opponents and I will give them each a slightly different play style.

      After the game starts keeping up with where all of the pieces are can really start to hurt your brain but the more you push yourself the better you will get. The craziest I got with that exercise while managing to not forget positioning of the pieces at all was when I played against 30 opponents at the same time. To get to where you can do that all you have to do is start low maybe play against a single opponent for a while and then add just 1 opponent. When you get to where you can handle the current number of opponents add another opponent and just keep repeating.


      Ending Notes
      I have much more advanced techniques I can get into including info on the other senses but for now this is the basics of this advanced vision control tutorial and should be all you need to get started as well as all you need to start expanding your mental abilities. The exercises should help get you to where you will be able to handle a second much more advanced tutorial. Feel free to ask any questions and I will attempt to answer them as best as I can. Any comments are also welcome.
      For questions and comments ect either just reply to this thread or send me a pm. I have my email on my phone so anytime someone posts on one of my threads it gets emailed to me and sent to my phone so I can probably get to your questions soon even if I'm not online.

      I hope that the information I will be giving on this site will be useful to someone.

      -Written By
      -Mylynes


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      I am going to start something similar to a class where people who want to get seriously into this can contact me at any time. If you would like to join and be a part of this group just join the thread I created for the group here:
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      What do you have to say about the other senses? I read that you might continue this tutorial to include such.

      I can reproduce 'information' that any of my senses sensed and recreate it so it acts on its own. I don't control it consciously. It just moves or sounds on its own. Songs, noises, people, smells, tastes, textures.
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      Quote Originally Posted by PR0G4P4RV18 View Post
      What do you have to say about the other senses? I read that you might continue this tutorial to include such.

      I can reproduce 'information' that any of my senses sensed and recreate it so it acts on its own. I don't control it consciously. It just moves or sounds on its own. Songs, noises, people, smells, tastes, textures.
      It would take me a while to write tutorials but yes I do plan on writing them. But would think the easiest way to learn would be to for now focus on the information and exercises that I have posted. Work on controlling your sight first because after you get good with your site it makes things a lot easier when it comes to learning how to manipulate all of the senses.

      You see I have much much more to teach and instead of having a really long tutorial with everything for those who want to get into my techniques you need to learn certain things in a certain order to learn in the fastest way possible. I think I'm going to make a practice thread where people who really want to learn how to do this can join and be able to receive help along the way from me as needed.
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      If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.
      Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

      I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Robot_Butler View Post
      Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

      I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.
      This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

      Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

      To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.
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      I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
      Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

      And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



      But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?
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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
      Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

      And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



      But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?
      Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

      But yes this is going to be moved to the research area so it shouldn't be here long. I personally thought it fit here because this is mostly not about dreaming but the research place sounds better.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mylynes View Post
      Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream.
      You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by The Cusp View Post
      You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.
      lol that was me pointing out why it would fit in beyond dreaming
      Video looks interesting too. I'm kind of busy right now but i'll check it all out later.

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      but, in Real Life, for what I can use this technique?

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      How did you learn of this technique?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mariano View Post
      but, in Real Life, for what I can use this technique?
      This technique when mastered allows you to have complete control over all of your senses while either dreaming or awake. You basically override the input from your real senses and insert what you want to sense.

      Quote Originally Posted by SpaceTime View Post
      How did you learn of this technique?
      Taken from second paragraph: "Ok I would like to start by saying that almost everything I have learned about controlling my senses has been learned from personal experimenting on my own."

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      How is it beneficial?

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      Quote Originally Posted by SpaceTime View Post
      How is it beneficial?
      This tutorial in itself is not very beneficial however it is a stepping stone to becoming godlike in the dream world. In your dreams can you add another eye to your body and connect to it so that you actually receive a third visual input? What about adding input from a few thousand eyes while maintaining image quality? When you dream do you breathe? Why or why not? is having a human body really that important? Your body can be anything you want. Your body could be an entire planet that is connected to the senses of multiple species. You can tap into the sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell senses and more from billions of entities simultaneously while still preserving crystal clear quality.

      Even then all of that is just easy stuff. It surprises even me how far you can push the mind when you constantly work on removing limitations.

      So is it beneficial? If you are really into controlling your dreams and if you work hard at it for long enough then I think it would be beneficial. If you dont really care about extremely advanced dream control then you can still take the manipulation skills as far as you want. It goes from very basic to extremely advanced pretty rapidly and I do not know of any boundaries other than the ones you allow yourself to be controlled by and learn through this manipulation system to tear down. But yea if your not really into dream control there is a lot that can be done with your mind while awake.
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      I see one benefit from it.
      when you go to sleep, create a red point, or something in your closed eyes, and see it clearly.
      watch it until you fall asleep....so: WILD

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mylynes View Post
      This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

      Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

      To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.
      That sounds like a visualization/ self induced hallucination, to me. You should look into other kinds of self induced hallucination, like the ones I mentioned. I think they might compliment your method well. At the least, they will give you a better first hand understanding of how your mind interacts with your senses.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Robot_Butler View Post
      That sounds like a visualization/ self induced hallucination, to me. You should look into other kinds of self induced hallucination, like the ones I mentioned. I think they might compliment your method well. At the least, they will give you a better first hand understanding of how your mind interacts with your senses.
      Okay I will look into it. I think self induced hallucination would be a very good way to describe what this technique is.
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      This sounds really interesting I'm going to give it a try.
      So Mylynes, how much control would you say you have in real life? Can you really make your monitor turn pink? What if you start moving around does it change colors? What about other black objects next to the monitor? I'm curious about the level of preciseness this can create

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      Quote Originally Posted by Syruplord View Post
      This sounds really interesting I'm going to give it a try.
      So Mylynes, how much control would you say you have in real life? Can you really make your monitor turn pink? What if you start moving around does it change colors? What about other black objects next to the monitor? I'm curious about the level of preciseness this can create
      I can do this just as easily awake as I can while dreaming even in a well lit room. By creating the images I want to see I can basically paste them over what I would normally be seeing. I can pick out bits and pieces to modify or I can pretty much cut myself off from the world around me by overriding all of my senses. Doing this I could go to a place of my own creation that would be similar to having a very vivid lucid dream.

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      what?
      wow...
      so, it's like you can have lucid dreams everytime you want..
      well that's good
      if that's true
      congratulations for the efforts

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      I'm interested in this.

      I'm going to give it a try, it sounds pretty awesome, but I will probbably take this slow.
      Anyhow, make sure to keep us updated if/when you make any more tutorials!

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      Man this is frustratingly hard. I can't even really see the canvas. I am having a problem with my eyes that I had when I tried the lucid dreaming audio series from hemisync, where my eyes start getting all jittery and moving around, and my eyelids slowly open. When I close my eyes, they don't feel shut unless I do it really hard and my eyes kind of roll back, and it's super dark and I see no patterns whatsoever, just black.

      Does this have to be done with eyes closed to start out? I was seeing a few white patterns when my eyes were partially opened, but I think it was my eyelashes, even though it was pitch black in my room. Man this is gonna be a long journey to the end
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      Quote Originally Posted by Syruplord View Post
      Man this is frustratingly hard. I can't even really see the canvas. I am having a problem with my eyes that I had when I tried the lucid dreaming audio series from hemisync, where my eyes start getting all jittery and moving around, and my eyelids slowly open. When I close my eyes, they don't feel shut unless I do it really hard and my eyes kind of roll back, and it's super dark and I see no patterns whatsoever, just black.

      Does this have to be done with eyes closed to start out? I was seeing a few white patterns when my eyes were partially opened, but I think it was my eyelashes, even though it was pitch black in my room. Man this is gonna be a long journey to the end
      There isn't really any need to close your eyes you just need to be in a very dark place and or wear a good blindfold. It's just a matter of removing the light that your eyes pick up. I would suggest for you to start off with a blindfold. If you are having difficulty with seeing the canvas try gently pressing your palms into your closed eyes. This pretty much makes you see different colors but the idea of the training is to produce more refined images with your mind.

      "it's super dark and I see no patterns whatsoever, just black."

      You are not the first person I have known to claim that they can only see blackness. That is the purposed of the the palm thing. It seems like most people do see these small particles but hey have been tuned out for a long time. You have to focus in and notice the small static-like particles before you can start manipulation through this technique.

      Good luck with your practice and feel free to ask any more questions.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mariano View Post
      what?
      wow...
      so, it's like you can have lucid dreams everytime you want..
      well that's good
      if that's true
      congratulations for the efforts
      It's similar to a lucid dream cept one of the biggest differences is that every part of your environment is created consciously.

      I'm interested in this.

      I'm going to give it a try, it sounds pretty awesome, but I will probbably take this slow.
      Anyhow, make sure to keep us updated if/when you make any more tutorials!
      I'll be posting the next tutorial as soon as someone ends up completing the first one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mylynes View Post
      I'll be posting the next tutorial as soon as someone ends up completing the first one.
      Ah ok, awesome.

      I have a question. Can this technique be applied as a way to consciously block pain?
      Also, what level of concentration is needed to perform this, or does it all depend on the amount of practice and familiarity with the technique? Does a busy envionment make it more difficult to perform or does it have very little impact?

      And another question, how long would you expect it to take to complete this tutorial, realising that it varies from person to person of course?

      Thanks in advance.

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