Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

About the white "pixels" - look for my first post here, on page 3 (Ctrl+F and "09-01-2012 10:02 AM").

The pixels he's talking about are "Closed-eye hallucination" - Closed-eye hallucination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you describing is hypnagogic images. It's not what this technique is about. But since no one here was able to succeed in MyLines's technique anyway - I think it's as good of a place to start as any.
I think that what you need to do is to establish the first control over your visual field (in your case - the HI); and then you can continue developing it; and then the sky is the limit.

Ok, when i see this spot, i can make him to move and draw something, like square or triangle.
But this last only few seconds and disapears quickly.

So now i dont know what to concentrate on:
1- on those pixels
2.on white noise,clouds on black back of eyelids
3.on those spontaneous images i posted above
4.on visualizing some objects like in this video:

How to self Induce Hallucinations - YouTube

and looking into comments you will also see that somebody showed him exactly this thread and author told that what he is doing is practically "pretty much the same idea".
and its curious because Mylynes said that visualizing wont help...but again Sythix told that it will help:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/induci...art-2-a-29491/

also
Claude de Contrecoeur, biologist neurochemical something also said (which is almost like in sythix thread) that visualizations will help:
How to generate CONTROLLED HALLUCINATIONS


So i have no idea now what to concentrate on from those 4 things

Experiment. Experience is the greatest teacher.

A good article by Claude de Contrecoeur (who ever he may be, hah).
After reading this article - I actually read another article by him that explains a lot about the subject - From DREAM to CONSCIOUSNESS

And simply put - the experience of reality (consciousness), is generated by the brain. So to take sight for instance - In waking life the region in the brain that is responsible to generate sight - the Visual Cortex - is generating the image that you see, according to the signal from the eye -- exoreality; in a Lucid Dream - the visual cortex is generating the image, in the same way, according to the signals from the memory etc -- the endoreality.
It's not that the whole information comes from the eye or memory; only the "commend" - what to generate, comes from them.

What we are trying to do here, whether by MyLines's technique, or in a different way, is to control what is being generated in waking life, by our will -- endoreality.
The best first step should probably be - to generate something from the endoreality. The second step is to start controlling it.
It seems you already have some of those hallucinations; and even some control over them. So I think you should just evolve both things; very much in the way the previous comment suggested.
And tell us about the progress, of-course. :-)

About Brian Masih's video - he have done what I have done in my only successful attempt.
As with LDs - people have slightly different brains\minds; so some things come easily to some people, while difficult to others. I think it just came easily to him. Seems also that you have naturally more success then the rest of us.

Hey guys! My apologies for being gone so long.. Without going into any detail other than I used to smoke marijuana, I just got out of jail yesterday. Was locked up for a little over a year and a half. So that is where I have been and it is very nice to be out and back online! I have skimmed over most of the posts here and will read them all in detail soon but it is nice to see that people have still been playing around with this topic.

For those who do not know, me and Mylynes are close RL friends and grew up together. We are both mostly self taught and did a lot of our practicing together. We started back when we were 4-5 years old and back then these things (Exerting control over our senses) were just games that we played so we both tend to lack terminology to adequately describe our experiences. Back before I got arrested most of what he could do I could do, and vise-versa. He seemed to be getting more and more into shared dreaming and though I tried I was never able to have much luck in this area intentionally. I think I may have been a bit better at raw sensory manipulation though as that is what I liked to focus on. Now though I haven't yet contacted him so I'm not sure what he has been up to for the past 19 months or how his abilities have improved.

I think one good thing about my experience is that I had 19 months of nothing but free time and about ALL I did was dream. Every single day I would dream at night and daydream (awake) during the day. Me and Mylynes pretty much use the same manipulation system and what is described in his tutorial is the very beginner (Though very important) basics and I think I might could help take things up through the next stages of development if people are still interested in this. This technique is what I use both while asleep and awake to dive into my own worlds. It sounds sort of like level 5 on the closed eye hallucination wiki.

So every day I would sit on my bunk and practice. Sometimes I would experiment or push myself with mental workouts and other times I would just explore other worlds of my own creations. I am also a video-game programmer and during my relax times I would often play one of a few virtual reality games in my head. At least that seems like a good way to describe some of my daydreaming sessions.

I completely override all of my senses and immerse myself in worlds of my own creation. Usually it seems easier to override a sense when there is less input from the real world. So it is harder to create audio around loud/distracting noises, harder to create visuals when around bright light, ect. I could already fully immerse myself in a lit room before jail as long as it wasn't super bright but it was way more difficult. It is almost like posting an image over the image of the real world, so the created image has to be brighter than the (real) one behind it or else the created image will be transparent, allowing the (real) image behind it to shine through. This one area I worked on a lot though and now I can fairly easily reach full immersion even in a very noisy and bright environment (aka jail). When fully immersed in my own little "alternate reality bubble" someone would have to either use my name or shout in my face for me to really hear it and someone would have to shine a bright flashlight or something right in my eyes and wave it around for it to seep through into my vision. Experimenting showed me that bright lights will get blocked out fast unless they are moving around.

An interesting phenomenon to note is that for some reason, when in a sleeping state I have noticed that I seem to have greatly increased mental capacity. Like access to an insane amount of memories from previous trips to the dream world that I simply don't have access to while awake unless I focus on them during or after my wake-up. Also when pushing my senses to their limits and beyond it seems that my focus can expand and split MUCH more when dreaming than when awake.

One exercise I like to do is to create a chess game (including board, pieces, and while awake I play against conscious self but somehow while asleep I can create a dream character to play against so I guess I kind of play against my subconscious) and keep constant track of all the pieces on the board. I then bump things up in difficulty by adding another simultaneous game, and another, and so on until I start to lose track of the pieces. When awake I can fairly easily keep track of 5 simultaneous games without much strain which may lead to headache lol, but when asleep I can fairly easily keep track of 30 simultaneous games and at times can kind of zone into it and keep up with 100+ games with a bit of strain but not too many noticed position errors (when I notice a misplaced piece I either fix it or drop the game). Another thing about the exercise is that when asleep I also split my senses so that I see each board and "computer" opponent through separate eyes and move the pieces with separate hands in order to make things more challenge and because I like to work on splitting my senses.

Without focusing on chess it is pretty insane how many splits of my senses I can create to go off and dream mindless things like slaying monsters in one of my VR games. 100 splits is kind of like being able to have 100 completely separate dreams at one time. Anyways, I find it interesting that I am capable of more in the sleeping dream-state than in the waking dream-state.

All of what I do in both dream states is based on a VERY advanced form of the tutorial shown on the first page of this thread. A lot of how to get from there to where I am currently at is a LOT of experimentation and practice. I may be able to help some with advancing, though a lot of this is just.. very hard to put into words that describe the "how" to getting the technique to work, but I will spend some time thinking on these things and how to describe without adequate terminology. Depending on how things go I may even work on a part 2 to my friend's tutorial though no promises yet on completing it.

I will be a bit busy with getting set up with my P.O., looking for work, getting my new place and net (at a friend's place using his net right now) set up, ect but I will be checking in and keeping this thread in my thoughts. I find this thread much more interesting than the shared dreaming right now because I didn't have much luck in that area and just spent the past 19 months working on this in a state of never ending dream. Also a bit shocked now having finally returned to reality longer than the 5 minutes it takes to go to the chow hall, eat, and return.. though it is very nice to be out and I'm very happy to be back on Dreamviews finally.

Hopefully nothing crazy happens and I will be around to stay this time so I can help work on this thread.

Feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer what I can.

Hey, welcome back!
I don't know if I'm talking to MyLines's twin or another personality or what...
Anyway long speeches is not my thing; so I'll jump right to business.
Before helping us advance - I think it's crucial that we'll... START!!
It seems quite a coincidence that you both have developed this ability; when the rest of us didn't. Or... and hopefully - there's something missing in the tutorial, maybe?!
I'm actually practicing this thing till today. I thought about the possibility of being able to see what I imagine, like in a lucid dream, while awake, a short time before I got to this thread actually. It's like a destiny kind of a thing. X-D
Anyway, I'll try to achieve this thing to the day I die; and hopefully succeed to. :-\ Just to illustrate how important this thing is to me.

This is pretty much what we have spent very much of our time on since age 4-5. We both kinda figured things out on our own and shared our experiences with each other, competed at controlling our dreams and while awake mostly our vision. We didn't know what the "pixels" were, we just knew that most people never seemed to take the time to notice them, but could if they tried.. and that the "pixels" could be coaxed into doing things. LDing seemed to come naturally to both of us and the next step was to work on control and basically become gods of our own dimensions lol.

We played with this stuff off and on over the years but really spent a huge amount of time practicing from early on, and still practice and try to improve on what we can do. I don't think I'll ever reach a point where i can't improve anymore.

So yea, there is a LOT missing from the tutorial because it is kind of like baby basics, but I'll see what I can do to add at least the next step to the tutorial because it would probably be hard to fly before learning how to crawl. =)

It's good to see that I'm not just crazy seeing the "Canvas" of static as you call it. At one point in my life I noticed it, and when I think about it I see it clearly even in a bright room with my eyes open. Controlling it is a bit... harder. Trying it now, I was pretty quickly able to create some geometric shapes with your method, but with color all I could get was a few small clumps of blue (And I couldn't choose where to put them).

But I'll keep trying. When you said this:

Your body could be an entire planet that is connected to the senses of multiple species. You can tap into the sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell senses and more from billions of entities simultaneously while still preserving crystal clear quality.

I decided I would focus on this. That sounds... unbeliveable. I can't come close to imagining it. It's so far outside the human experience that I just can't. Until then it sounded intriguing, but that made my mouth drop.

Originally Posted by MonochromeBaku

It's good to see that I'm not just crazy seeing the "Canvas" of static as you call it. At one point in my life I noticed it, and when I think about it I see it clearly even in a bright room with my eyes open. Controlling it is a bit... harder. Trying it now, I was pretty quickly able to create some geometric shapes with your method, but with color all I could get was a few small clumps of blue (And I couldn't choose where to put them).

But I'll keep trying. When you said this:


I decided I would focus on this. That sounds... unbeliveable. I can't come close to imagining it. It's so far outside the human experience that I just can't. Until then it sounded intriguing, but that made my mouth drop.

Right, it's very possible as I like to do those kind of exercises as well. Sometimes expanding my focus/awareness to planet size and beyond and sometimes focusing in on more narrow details like a bunch of chess games. But both at the same time is really difficult. Mylynes was always a bit more expandy than me, but I have also been working on that the past 19 months.

19 month long dream was a pretty crazy experience.. only coming back enough to make my feet take me to chow, shovel food down throat, then return to bunk and the dreamworld.

Anyways, once you start noticing the canvas regularly, you start to notice it all the time and it never really goes away. Even when "Painted" on you can still make out the "pixels" if you are attentive. You can make them more or less noticeable though, sort of like the difference between the images shown on a super nes and watching an hd movie on a nice bigscreen highdef tv.

As far as the basics of manipulating the "pixels" go I think Mylynes said it very well:

Originally Posted by Mylynes

It's similar to training a muscle that you have never really controlled before. If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.

To get good at this you have to workout your mental muscles by experimenting until you succeed at a manipulation so that you know what it felt like. Then repeating that same sensation until it becomes easier and more natural.

Some basic first exercises:
1. Focus on a color, any color but cycle through different ones. Try to make that color appear. Doesn't matter if it's just 1 or a few "pixels" or as much of your vision as you can, just play around with it.

2. A step between colors and forming shapes and objects would be to focus on the motion of the "pixels" or static and try to alter it in various ways. Later on it may be useful to form a shape by focusing on each individual "pixel" like Mylynes but it may be easier to manipulate the "pixels" as groups. If you play around with this you will likely notice various kinds of natural move ment such as waves or ripples:
For me, when relaxing and not going into my own world, specially in the beginning, there would be a lot of 3d waves and flowing that looks very similar to this but highly "pixelized" static:

And sometimes ripples which look much like this would form:


3. Shapes/Objects
So watch the movement and see if you can sort of coax whole groups of "pixels" to change their movement patterns. After playing with this for a while it becomes much easier to form objects. Strangely it may also be easier when starting off to form fully colored and detailed images such as your parents faces, than it would be to form perfect geometrical shapes. Even if not fully detailed, at least for me it seemed easier to form more complex images than simple ones, sort of like this:

But again highly pixelized.

But once you start getting better at this and get your "muscles" built up, a really really good exercise that Mylynes mentioned and that I still use myself is the chess game, though start off with just 1 game. Or if you don't know how to play chess and don't care to learn then checkers could also work. It really takes a lot to play a game of chess in your head.

The chess exercise is also a pretty fun way to (also good practice though) show off to friends lol. You can have them set up a board while you are blindfolded and facing away from the board, then you play against them by having them tell you their moves and you telling them your moves. Always fun to beat people without even looking at the pieces. =)

Oh yea and I also really like what was posted earlier in this thread:

By closing my eyes somewhat tightly I could see a number of 'bits' of colored light upon my retinal field. Selecting one of these colors I concentrated my attention upon it, and it seemed to grow of its own accord into a perfect circle. I then willed that this circle should become an ellipse; and without the faintest 'muscular sensations' (except the vague strained feeling of purely mental concentration) the circle 'sagged ' into an ellipse

The color of the 'Eigenlicht' had (ordinarily on beginning the experiment) the appearance of a dancing mass of vari-colored dust. As soon as attention and will had gained control of the mass, the color seemed to be at their mercy.

I like the way they word things and describe the phenomenon. I g2g for now but will be back later.

I've been reading this thread for a while and I'm wondering while you can do visual hallucinations, is it possible to do auditory and the other senses? (created a profile just for this question. )
Also, I have attempted to try this before, but I had nothing good to cover my eyes until now (Sleeping mask) and I notice I'm able to move the pixels somewhat well. I notice it's easier to do in level 3 of closed eye hallucination through concentration, as I turned a white blob into a cat, for less than a second, but it kept looping the image when it disappeared. By that I meant it was somewhat of similar to a GIF.
Another question for Alter, how long do you expect this to take if I practiced every day for at least 6 hours? (just for example.)
Where did Mylynes go? XD

Originally Posted by ThantosAraiun

I've been reading this thread for a while and I'm wondering while you can do visual hallucinations, is it possible to do auditory and the other senses? (created a profile just for this question. )
Also, I have attempted to try this before, but I had nothing good to cover my eyes until now (Sleeping mask) and I notice I'm able to move the pixels somewhat well. I notice it's easier to do in level 3 of closed eye hallucination through concentration, as I turned a white blob into a cat, for less than a second, but it kept looping the image when it disappeared. By that I meant it was somewhat of similar to a GIF.
Another question for Alter, how long do you expect this to take if I practiced every day for at least 6 hours? (just for example.)
Where did Mylynes go? XD

Audio, visual, touch, taste, smell, ect can all be controlled. I can even smoke an imaginary joint that actually gets me high somehow though I'm not sure exactly how that works lol.

And yes for me as well starting off the more complex objects were easier to deal with than perfect simple shapes for some reason. Like, Mylynes I can also manipulate each "pixel" separately but it seems more efficient to move them in groups. Less strain on the mind.

As for how long it takes I would say it would differ vastly from person to person. I spent a huge chunk of my life(since age 4-5) working on this (about 20 years) but it was a very long drawn out process of experimentation between me and Mylynes. If I had known then what I know now I would have likely progressed much faster so I believe with some sort of guide such as this tutorial, a lot of the time can be cut out. It still takes effort and regular practice to build up the "mental muscles" required to go on to more advanced exercises though. So yea some people may pick this up fast and others more slowly but I think that anyone with a bit of dedication could progress MUCH faster than I did thanks to resources like this thread.

As for Mylynes, not sure what he is up to. Haven't had any contact with him since before I was arrested. Last I heard he was working in the military, spec ops group he called a shadow group in the cia that I don't know much about.

I've noticed what you guys are calling "pixels" since I was a kid. It's most prominent in a dark room, and is usually a bright green colour. If I let it go on it's own, it'll run along the contours of the room and coalesce into expanding and contracting green that is very fluid. I've been able to manipulate it to a degree, even into faces and objects, etc. I've just not been able to actually literally see a static image of something. Ever since picking up drug habits, I've acquired HPPD, and I now experience this phenomenon the entire time I am awake whether I like it or not. I've also got a lot of "visual snow" that looks like a lot of multi coloured grains constantly buzzing, like the black and white ones you'd see on a TV, but again multi coloured. It's actually pretty much exactly like the image you (Alter) posted with the blue expanding in it. The blue is like what the green I mentioned earlier is. I've managed to changed the colours before, but it's kind of difficult. Everything is much easier to do if I've taken some sort of hallucinogenic though.

Originally Posted by snoop

I've noticed what you guys are calling "pixels" since I was a kid. It's most prominent in a dark room, and is usually a bright green colour. If I let it go on it's own, it'll run along the contours of the room and coalesce into expanding and contracting green that is very fluid. I've been able to manipulate it to a degree, even into faces and objects, etc. I've just not been able to actually literally see a static image of something. Ever since picking up drug habits, I've acquired HPPD, and I now experience this phenomenon the entire time I am awake whether I like it or not. I've also got a lot of "visual snow" that looks like a lot of multi coloured grains constantly buzzing, like the black and white ones you'd see on a TV, but again multi coloured. It's actually pretty much exactly like the image you (Alter) posted with the blue expanding in it. The blue is like what the green I mentioned earlier is. I've managed to changed the colours before, but it's kind of difficult. Everything is much easier to do if I've taken some sort of hallucinogenic though.

I experimented a little bit with hallucinogens a long time ago, and it has its similarities, but most drugs probably not very healthy and I wouldn't reccommend recreation use of them. At this point I can sort of "trip" at any time I want without needing any drugs at all. By trip I mean having crazy visual shows or even withdrawing into an entire new fantasy world, though for some reason I can also smoke an imaginary blunt/joint and feel a strong body/head high.

I'm not sure since I've been gone a while but I think there may be a thread somewhere about drugs in dreams.

-Edit-
Found it. =)
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-you-done.html

I've seen Sythix's tutorial for inducing hallucinations and it says to visualize, are there disadvantages to this compared to just shaping the pixels? I could guess one could be as not being able to shape your objects before seeing them. I seem to progress faster in it though.

F*** man, am really sorry guys.. after all this time I was really looking forward to be back.. This pisses me off so much.

Bad news..

So my P.O. went out of his way to go and complain to my judge.. and somehow he ended up getting my computer rights taken away. So now I am not allowed to be on any device that can connect to the internet.

No idea why the heck this is happening but I do plan to lawyer up and fight this.....

In the mean time I wont be able to get on here, though I think I may still work on the tutorial and if something happens to get thrown together then I may be able to get my brother or someone to post it.

Again really sorry about this though I hope to be back as soon as I can. =(

snoop - That's interesting that your noise is green. Usually it's reddish. Green is the opposite of red in the brain. It usually happens in an after image, for example.
The blue expending picture is what usually happens in some state, right before falling asleep.
It happened to me a few times right after I snoozed and snapped out of it right before falling asleep.

Maybe all that means you are in that, hypnagogic kind of a state, most of the time.
I don't know what that means for the method exactly; but maybe it should be easier for you to have vivid imagination.



Alter - you'll be back soon, I'm sure. Today you can get access to the Internet through any cellphone. You can even get a chip in the brain, for god's sake; so it's totally ridiculous.

Well I don't know if this makes any difference but I'm diagnosed with ADHD predominantely inattentive. The only problem with that label is ADHD is kind of a spectrum disorder imo, there's nothing terribly specific in one part of the brain that causes it. Technically Bipolar Disorder isn't out of the picture for me (rather than ADHD), my uncle has Bipolar and apparently it's more common to have it if you have relatives with the disorder. But yes, the colour with my eyes open in the dark (or even in the light sometimes) or with my eyes closed is GREEN and usually leaves a reddish afterimage if anything. I think the red comes from the contrast of green against black.

**Thread moved to Dream Control section**


Hope things get better soon, Alter.

I've read the first post only and skimmed through the rest and to be honest, this practice does not make any sense at all. The space for effective visualization is "beyond" the entopic layer.

Establishing entopic awareness before you pass beyond is a good thing though, it will help with remembering your experiences. Strong visions also have a fleeting entopic residue when they collapse. Another use of entopics is to anchor/power intentions. Besides that, they don't seem to have any practical application - they are just noise from the primary visual cortices.

Psychic/subjective information would have a hard time to emerge to this level. You may occasionally get persistent entopic patterns, such as symbols or mandalas with open eyes, that don't see to go away for hours, but they are probably gifts from your higher self or beings.

A fully active third eye will provide a visual overlay of extra information, but if your goal is to see things that don't exist in some way or form, it probably won't happen.

As for dreaming, you don't have to close your eyes to "visually overwrite" objects. It's just a matter of pointing at things, literally or figuratively. Although some dream environment may resist, it's a reliable way to obliterate subjective layers in dreaming.

And finally, I'm not getting good vibes from the original poster to say the least. I'd stay away from this, there are plenty of proven stuff to do instead.

OMG.. Is Alter or Mylynes still around? Anyone know how I could contact either of them? I've been lurking around for a while but then saw this and yea.. I would like to speak with them if possible.

Ailita. You told me today that someone met you in a dream and told you to come here to dream views and when you woke up, you came right here. That would imply that this was your first time on dream views. So how could you be lurking?

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[18:11:10] <Ailita> hi
[18:11:23] <Ailita> anyone here?
[18:11:38] <@Scionox|Asleep> Hey
[18:11:46] <@Scionox|Asleep> Welcome to Dreamviews!
[18:11:51] <@Scionox|Asleep> !back
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[18:12:08] <%Chimpertainment> there are now
[18:12:08] <Ailita> XD
[18:12:09] <%Chimpertainment> howdy
[18:12:22] <Ailita> does anyone know alter or mylynes?
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[18:13:09] Scionox has no clue O.=.o
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[18:13:15] <Ailita> he told me to come look for him here and use those names.. then I found some threads of theirs on the forum so I joined and pmed them and stuff
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[18:14:28] <%Chimpertainment> i dont know either
[18:14:37] <%Chimpertainment> i dont think ive ever seen them on chat
[18:15:05] <Ailita> it freaked me out a little bit when that happened because he told me in a dream, and that is a lucid dreaming forum, and has those user names.. he told me to wake up then and immediately go and look it up
[18:15:41] <@Scionox> Huh
[18:15:50] <%Chimpertainment> {:]
[18:15:54] <%Chimpertainment> interesting
[18:16:07] Chimpertainment looks for the user names
[18:16:08] <%Chimpertainment> :p
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[18:16:18] <%Chimpertainment> !dvprofile alter
[18:17:14] <Ailita> its kind of scary.. i hope I get a pm back soon.. I also pmed their friends cause it looks like they have not been active in a while
[18:17:21] <%Chimpertainment> hmm
[18:17:27] <%Chimpertainment> no reason to be scared
[18:17:35] <%Chimpertainment> they may not even remember it happened btw
[18:17:39] <Ailita> Alter Last Activity 07-25-2013 04:09 AM
[18:17:51] <Ailita> they gave me a password to give them
[18:18:05] <%Chimpertainment> and mylynes last activity was 7-17-2012
[18:18:15] <Ailita> 2012..
[18:18:37] <Ailita> his friend nomad seems more active
[18:19:08] <Ailita> its scary cause this guy just invaded my dreams.. and he himself was scary too
[18:19:10] <%Chimpertainment> yeah, nomad has been a long time member
[18:19:20] <%Chimpertainment> well thats even more interesting
[18:19:37] <%Chimpertainment> nomad in the past has made a habit of attempting to invade peoples dreams in order to make them lucid
[18:19:39] <Ailita> hmm, think nomad might be back soon?
[18:20:30] <%Chimpertainment> he is always around, but not always active on the forum
[18:20:39] <Ailita> i have to leave soonish but will return either friday or saturday.
[18:20:54] <Ailita> he is usually in the chat then?
[18:20:59] <%Chimpertainment> perhaps you could try communicating with them in-dream and ask them to contact you on the forum?
[18:21:12] <%Chimpertainment> nope..most forum users dont frequent chat
[18:21:28] <%Chimpertainment> youd have better luck with the pm
[18:21:39] <Ailita> eh, i dunno if I would want that guy in my dreams again.. and plus he is the 1 who told me to come here..
[18:21:50] <%Chimpertainment> yeah
[18:21:50] <Ailita> ok well pms sent then
[18:21:53] <%Chimpertainment> just so you know
[18:22:05] <%Chimpertainment> nomads technique was to scare people and induce nightmares
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[18:22:17] <wolfspy> hi
[18:22:20] <%Chimpertainment> the bigger the emotional reaction, the more likely the person is to become lucid
[18:22:23] <%Chimpertainment> hi wolfspy
[18:22:23] <Ailita> ... =(
[18:22:29] <@Scionox> Hey
[18:22:49] <wolfspy> Are shared dreams real?
[18:22:53] <%Chimpertainment> for that reason, nomad would appear as a dragon if i remember correctly..to scare people "awake"/lucid
[18:23:03] <%Chimpertainment> well, tonight is just a shared dreams night
[18:23:05] <%Chimpertainment> lol
[18:23:27] <wolfspy> What
[18:23:32] <Ailita> if you happen to see him while I am away, could you please pass on the message to tell them to pm me and not enter my dreams?
[18:23:35] <%Chimpertainment> unless you both are just members trying to play tricks..
[18:23:35] <wolfspy> sorry, im really new to Dream Views
[18:23:37] <%Chimpertainment> hmmm
[18:24:11] <%Chimpertainment> hmm...sure Ailita...another thing you can do is before going to sleep, say that you dont want to be disturbed
[18:24:11] <@Scionox> @wolfspy If you believe then yes, everything is possible in dreams
[18:24:20] <Ailita> I just joined a few minutes ago
[18:24:45] <wolfspy> But it isnt really /your/ dream
[18:24:59] <%Chimpertainment> i believe you Ailita, its an amazing coincidence is all
[18:25:30] <@Scionox> @Ailita It's an awesome lucid dreaming forum anyway, if you want to start with it
[18:25:44] <@Scionox> Think positive
[18:25:47] <%Chimpertainment> Ailita: remember, you dont have to let anyone in...set the intention to not be disturbed before you go to sleep
[18:25:50] <rumpel> hellooooo
[18:25:50] <%Chimpertainment> and that ^
[18:25:51] <Ailita> this forum looks interesting though.. how would it even be possible for someone to enter my dream? am I maybe just crazy?
[18:25:52] <rumpel> mates
[18:25:53] <rumpel> whats up
[18:26:07] <rumpel> well you can say what ure dreaming
[18:26:09] <rumpel> and tell pthers
[18:26:14] <rumpel> so they can rebuild it in their ld
[18:26:19] <rumpel> and "be in yur dream"
[18:26:50] <wolfspy> wait
[18:26:57] <@Scionox> @Ailita Everything is possible in dreams, though for shared dreaming strong connection to a person is usually required
[18:27:00] <%Chimpertainment> Ailita: shared dreaming is contraversial...but you seem to have had quite a striking experience that lends weight to shared dreaming being real...you are not crazy...if you take a look in the beyond dreaming section of the forum, some of your questions might be answered
[18:27:05] <%Chimpertainment> !dvsearch beyond dreaming
[18:27:14] <wolfspy> did someone just ask a question about the same thing as me?
[18:27:20] <Ailita> so your saying you think it is possible for someone to invade somone elses dreams though? because that sounds really scifi to me..
[18:27:22] <rumpel> hah doesnt work, Chimpertainment
[18:27:26] <%Chimpertainment> well shit...lemme grab a link Ailita
[18:27:48] <%Chimpertainment> wolfspy: no, ailita had a shared dreaming experience and came on right before you
[18:27:55] <rumpel> well i dont think its possible to "invite" someone when hes drrming, but your subconsious can make a... errr person who acts like your friend
[18:28:10] <Ailita> i dont know this guy at all
[18:28:11] <wolfspy> oh lol
[18:28:17] <rumpel> but thats just my not-being-a-real-lucid-dreamer-experience
[18:28:25] <wolfspy> It
[18:28:27] <wolfspy> oops
[18:28:34] <wolfspy> didnt mean to send that
[18:28:51] <Ailita> why me?
[18:29:03] <wolfspy> rumpel, I read posts where they had the same dream on dv though
[18:29:06] <@Scionox> @Ailita I don't know much on shared dreaming topic aside from requirement of strong connection
[18:29:22] <Ailita> mm
[18:29:31] <wolfspy> like they saw a dj with the same dream as them, only in the perspective of the other perosn
[18:29:33] <%Chimpertainment> ailit...here is the beyond dreaming forum: Beyond Dreaming
[18:29:41] <@Scionox> Do you have any friends that are into LDing?
[18:29:43] <%Chimpertainment> we also have a group of dreamers that research shared dreaming
[18:29:56] <wolfspy> Scionox, not that I know of
[18:30:01] <Ailita> i dunno what kind of strong connection I would have with someone I never met before though
[18:30:13] <@Scionox> Well
[18:30:19] <Ailita> freaky
[18:30:36] <@Scionox> You can't say you never met because he didn't looked familiar
[18:30:37] <%Chimpertainment> it could be that there was some kind of attraction...im not sure the exact mechanics of it all
[18:30:47] <@Scionox> Remember we can have different forms in dreams
[18:30:53] <Ailita> sjpppppppppppppppppih
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[18:31:11] <%Chimpertainment> yea...and your dreaming self can communicate with others while not knowing it
[18:31:12] <rumpel^> wtffffffffff
[18:31:14] <rumpel^> internet for fucks sackle
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[18:31:21] <Ailita> lol my kitteh said hello =^_^=
[18:31:22] <%Chimpertainment> lol
[18:31:26] <rumpel^> wolfspy, what came after your "it"?
[18:31:32] <%Chimpertainment> hello kitteh
[18:31:39] <@Scionox> Hey
[18:32:13] <%Chimpertainment> important thing is that shared dreaming is nothing to be afraid of...and you are not going crazy
[18:32:17] <Ailita> the password he gave me is strange too..
[18:32:25] <wolfspy> rumpel^, I reaworded the sentance
[18:32:26] <@Scionox> What Chimp said
[18:32:36] <@Scionox> Dreams can't hurt ya
[18:32:45] <@Scionox> Shared or not
[18:32:45] <rumpel^> ah okay, wolfspy
[18:32:46] <Ailita> birthday banana......
[18:32:50] <%Chimpertainment> lol
[18:32:51] <Ailita> <,>
[18:32:55] <rumpel^> ive never seen you here, wolfspy :O
[18:32:58] <wolfspy> well
[18:33:05] <wolfspy> that would be because Im new
[18:33:06] <rumpel^> !joindate wolfspy
[18:33:07] <iBot> Join Date: February 12, 2012
[18:33:10] <rumpel^> oh hm
[18:33:22] <Ailita> my mind cannot comprehend exactly what is happening here..
[18:33:35] <wolfspy> magic
[18:33:47] <@Scionox> Dreaming!..
[18:33:54] <wolfspy> Does anyone know about that new ld aid?
[18:34:00] <@Scionox> ?
[18:34:24] <@Scionox> What kind of aid/
[18:34:25] <@Scionox> ?
[18:34:42] <Ailita> what kinda password is birthday banana?
[18:34:47] <wolfspy> ill just find it again :/
[18:34:50] <rumpel^> wolfspy how r u
[18:35:09] <@Scionox> Passwords can be anything, lol
[18:35:14] <%Chimpertainment> i dunno...maybe you are supposed to tell them that in order to ensure that it was really a shared dream
[18:35:22] <wolfspy> LUCI
[18:35:37] <@Scionox> Err
[18:35:51] <@Scionox> Please no linking kickstarters
[18:35:54] <%Chimpertainment> shared dreamers like to use passwords in order to verify that the person they are dreaming of is a human
[18:35:57] <Ailita> a shared nightmare
[18:36:04] <@Scionox> Or sites with sales overall
[18:36:09] <wolfspy> oh
[18:36:10] <wolfspy> oops
[18:36:12] <wolfspy> w
[18:36:12] <wolfspy> ell
[18:36:20] <Ailita> you dont know how crazy it was..
[18:36:24] <rumpel^> holy crap they got a lot fo mone
[18:36:25] <wolfspy> does anyone know what a watts dry electrode is?
[18:36:33] <Ailita> it felt like I was in there for years....
[18:36:39] <@Scionox> As for% that thing, it"s fake
[18:36:48] <@Scionox> From what i know
[18:36:50] <wolfspy> because im thinking about making a EEG and ive never heard of one before
[18:37:32] <Ailita> brb for a sec, but i g2g very soon
[18:37:47] <@Scionox> @rumpel They didn't
[18:37:48] <wolfspy> the only dry electrode ive he
[18:37:54] <wolfspy> STUPID ENTER BUTTON
[18:38:01] <rumpel^> why not Scionox
[18:38:05] <wolfspy> heard of is this http://www.gtec.at/var/plain_site/st...eft_medium.jpg
[18:38:14] <@Scionox> Because it was fake and it was cancelled
[18:38:22] <wolfspy> oh
[18:38:32] <rumpel^> ah okay
[18:38:46] <wolfspy> who are you talking to
[18:38:47] <@Scionox> There are legit similar devices
[18:38:48] <rumpel^> that sucks if people use kickstarter to put up fake :
[18:38:53] <wolfspy> oh
[18:39:14] <%Chimpertainment> Ailita: http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ream-faqs.html
[18:39:50] <@Scionox> I am not into any of them though, so can"t help
[18:39:52] <wolfspy> thanks Chimpertainment
[18:39:58] <%Chimpertainment> btw..take all that with a grain of salt
[18:40:02] <%Chimpertainment> everyones experience is different
[18:40:05] <@Scionox> ^
[18:41:01] Ametam [[email protected]] has joined #LucidDreaming
[18:41:15] <Ailita> kk back i got 5 min
[18:41:16] Chimpertainment 's cat has decided to commandeer his desk
[18:41:51] <@Scionox> wb
[18:42:33] <Ailita> i will look at the link later.. need to bookmark
[18:42:54] <%Chimpertainment> boomark this too http://www.dreamviews.com/internatio...eaming-project
[18:43:05] <%Chimpertainment> thats the shared dreaming project some dv members are working on
[18:43:34] <wolfspy> wasent there a crossroads thing too
[18:43:51] <Ametam> Chimpertainment: How is that going?
[18:43:59] <Ametam> wolfspy: Crossroads was a diffrent website
[18:44:03] <Ailita> ok bookmarked
[18:44:12] <%Chimpertainment> not sure...i was part of it around a year ago but my lucidity wasnt up to par
[18:44:30] <%Chimpertainment> looks like its still active at least
[18:44:36] <Ametam> oh ok, its been around for so long, im curious as to the amount of success
[18:44:44] <rumpel^> hello
[18:44:45] <rumpel^> again
[18:45:01] <wolfspy> hi
[18:45:05] <wolfspy> again
[18:45:05] <@Scionox> Hey
[18:45:38] <Ailita> why would someone want to invade my dreams? if this happens again im not going to be very happy person =/
[18:46:04] <Ametam> people invade your dreams?
[18:46:05] <%Chimpertainment> because they feel they are doing people a favor by causing them to become lucid
[18:47:07] <%Chimpertainment> perhaps if they knew you werent happy about it, they would change their minds...i dunno
[18:47:10] <Ailita> he said wake up then to come here and look up alter and mylynes and that the password was birthdaybanana then I immediately woke up and came here
[18:47:35] <Ailita> dreamviews.com
[18:48:14] <Ametam> god damm i wish people would come into my dreams
[18:48:20] <Ailita> he was really creepy and had a bunch of different forms
[18:48:32] <wolfspy> I would like someone to invade my dreams
[18:49:12] <Ailita> tell him to go to yours instead if you would like an extremely long nightmare..
[18:49:17] <%Chimpertainment> hehe
[18:49:21] <Ailita> i g2g later
[18:49:23] <%Chimpertainment> that sucks that it was bad for you ailita
[18:49:25] <%Chimpertainment> later
[18:49:33] <%Chimpertainment> hope you can stick around dv for a while
[18:49:37] <%Chimpertainment> its an amazing place
[18:49:39] <Ailita> but pls tell them to pm me if you see mylynes alter or nomad pls
[18:49:47] <%Chimpertainment> yup yup
[18:49:50] <Ailita> and stay out of my dreams..
[18:49:53] <Ailita> bye
[18:49:54] <%Chimpertainment>
[18:49:56] <%Chimpertainment> bye
[18:49:56] <@Scionox> Cya
[18:50:04] <Ametam> wait wait wait
[18:50:07] <Ailita> ?
[18:50:09] <Ametam> nomad is still around? :/
[18:50:12] <%Chimpertainment> yea
[18:50:15] <@Scionox> Yeah
[18:50:16] <Ailita> what i g2g someone waiting on me to take me home
[18:50:18] <Ametam> when did that happen?
[18:50:26] <%Chimpertainment> he never left
[18:50:28] <@Scionox> He got back sometime recently
[18:50:31] <Ailita> got like 30 second
[18:50:33] <Ametam> he went insane in like 2011
[18:50:45] <Ailita> to a min, whenever she barges in the room lo
[18:50:46] <Ailita> lol
[18:50:48] <%Chimpertainment> no worries ailita, feel free to go
[18:50:52] <@Scionox> @Chimp He had no access to internet for a good while
[18:50:57] <Ailita> ok later then
[18:51:02] <%Chimpertainment> laterz
[18:51:06] <@Scionox> Cya
[18:51:31] <%Chimpertainment> yeah...he came on when he could i believe...i just mean hes always been around, here and there
[18:51:37] <Ailita> leaving this on for my bro to see later]Birthday Banana

I think it is highly possible this could be the same person who started the accounts of Alter and Mylynes. There are other reasons that I will share besides the one I already mentioned if the poster in question would choose to respond.

WoW...WoW...WoW The spoiler is WoW

By Nomad do you mean Waking Nomad (???)

Well, After reading just about every comment on this thread, I must say it was quite the read. First Off, Mylynes seems like a great teacher, in the vast fields of 'Vision Control' as he puts it. However, not extremely advanced and a somewhat beginner in this area of control over the body, and the process of induction through phosphenes. Once I came across Alter, and his story I was shocked at how finely tuned he made 'IT' become for himself, figures though, if I was in the same situation, I would do the exact same.

It has always been with me, though, I've always been able to create these images in my field of ( Closed Eye ) vision with out any sort of induction techniques. Through out the duration of my life, I've just enjoyed a nice light show and a self created 'Film' Per Se and drifted into a dream after.

The past few months, I've been experimenting with creating different scenarios to submerge myself into on and off, with fantastic results. I find that I must first allow myself to drift off into a some what sleep state, i usually try to reach the clutches of SP to begin so I can cut off my physical body enabling me to loose at the very least, the sense of touch and feel. Next, Hearing goes as well with the induction of Tinnitus (Ear Ringing) though tuned to a lower frequency. Now, at this point my CEV's have taken off, and I am ready to create a scenario. I begin to 're-synthesize' myself, if you will, into my field of closed eye visuals (CEV's) after i can look down, see my feet and then my hands ect. I know I am fully inside my mind. (I try not to get exited as this immediately shoots me out if I do, lol) So, Now I am ready to begin with scenery. From one of my best visualization recalls, I was creating a scene where i was in tall luscious grass, flowing over a vast land of rolling hills and in the sky there was 3 moons. Directly in front of me, a beautiful tree that was full of energy and life. I begin to move towards the tree, to analyse it and such. At this point my body was passing through REM and my CONSCIOUS control was deteriorating. Out from behind the tree comes a black figure, no much larger then that of a shoe box id say, but moved swiftly and vanished. I broke concentration and wondered to myself about what i had seen. What was it? From what did it come from? However, that small break in concentration shot me back into my physical body and real life bed. I now know that i had submerged myself into my first W.I.L.D through a Vision Control Type induction, and it was F*cking awesome. (Kind of got way off track remembering this)

I guess where I'm trying to go with this is to reach a point where i can say; Damn. It feels amazing to be able to do this sort of thing and I was truly amazed and extremely intrigued by what Alter had said. Also, I would like to add that i too, am quite experienced with my Dreams, 'Vision Control', Going Lucid and performing W.I.L.D.S, etc, etc. So, if anyone would like advice i've gathered from personal experience, i'd be more then happy to help. I do wish Atlas was here to discuss this more with his readers, this is a great thread sparked back up again for me to see it.