Thread: Burned up dreams

Originally Posted by raklet

As in wimpy? Or as in not aggressive? If it is the former, come live with me on the farm for a summer. You can help change handlines. It will make every muscle in your body solid as a rock!

Sounds tempting! I wasn't very strong/fast at school and never played much sport (so I don't know why I have so many football dreams). But now I think I'm strong compared to many my age - in the sense that I'm fit and have loads of stamina. I go hillwalking, swimming, skiing etc.

No, I'm not aggressive by nature (and that's part of the problem) but I'm not a wimp either.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I saw you were going to tell a dream to your therapist; do you do that very often? What does s/he say about them?

She isn't really into dreams in particular but is very much into making meaning of, well, anything. We've already talked about my dislike of having things put into my body. (I don't like other people choosing what I eat, even. I'm more of a forager I think!).

I did once take a dream about being with a prostitute to her. It was interesting what we worked out. All to do with me wanting to somehow contractualise people into relationships rather than being spontaneous with people. Well, it made sense to me.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

See, there you go again! All three names, too!

Is it so unusual? Well the "Norman Stanley" bit comes from a sitcom character in the UK. Set in a prison, the opening line each week was a judge saying "Norman Stanley Fletcher you are sentenced to...". Somehow I hybridised this name with Sean Lamont who is a rugby player here in Scotland, who I know I was thinking about in the dream. Quite funny now I think about it

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I don't think we have to be. Maybe it's harder for a man, which is too bad.

Maybe. I'm having a bit of an angry episode on gender/sex issues at the moment. The counselling centre where I practice has said there is demand for female counsellors because that's what clients on the waiting list are requesting. And I'm thinking "How do you know I'm male. I don't recall telling you that. You seem to be 100% sure I'm male which is more than I am! And what will happen if someone who is genuinely transsexual is practicing. Which box will you tick then [M] or [F]?" Yeah, so I think a counselling centre should be more sensitive to gender/sex issues rather than colluding with cultural stereotypes.

Actually I'm OK with my sexuality. I like being a man although I have some jealousies of women as well as things I don't envy. I like womens' bodies too. But I do get pissed off when the shape of my urinary tract prevents me from seeing potential counselling clients!!!

Originally Posted by DebiAnn

This popped up,.I didn't ask for it. Who needs help. You have 2 minutes

Originally Posted by DebiAnn

Dreams are dreams. They are a part of you. Share them or not. They foretell or explain. Counselors are only as good as their counseling. hope this helps
deb

Ummm....yes. Welcome to my DJ DebbieAnn.

I'd challenge your last statement. "Counselling is only as good as the relationship formed between counsellor and client" is what I'd argue. i.e. it takes both to make a difference. Even the "best" counsellors will fail to connect with some clients for whatever reason.

Possibly the longest dream in ages. And the first night alone for ages. Another spooky coincidence? It was a difficult day and my wife was upset at a decision I'd made but I knew I was being reasonable. It was still a hard time for us.

Teacher's pet

I'm helping out at a primary school. There are two of us, me and a female DC. I know nothing about teaching so I'm not sure how I ended up there. I also had the sense that I was expected to know what to do and was bluffing my way through by letting the other helper/teacher do all the difficult work. Seemingly I'm bringing other skills (counselling?).

Somehow she's now in charge and at the end of the lesson I agree to go on some kind of errand. I know the place she wants me to go and I feel really insulted when she says "You can take the number 5 bus and be there in 20 minutes". I know exactly how to get there and I know fine well where the number 5 bus goes I think to myself. "Or you could walk it in 40 minutes". (Grrr...yes I KNOW).

[Can't read the next bit but seems to be something about meeting other staff and "hanging out". I presumably met the French assistant at this time.]

Now there's a school trip. I'm not going on it but I'm getting people or things onto the bus. As I walk past where the French assistant is sitting, alone in the two seats, I see she's looking at me. She has that look on her face that she can't contain her emotions - flushed and almost crying with love for me. She stretches out her arms and draws me towards her. She's hugging me tight and we're cheek-to-cheek although I'm standing (leaning over) and she's sitting. I'm feeling really awkward as I don't really fancy her. She's nice enough but there's something rather auntie-looking about her with her short permed hair that has me feeling rather incestuous. I wonder if she knows I'm married and whether I've been giving out mixed messages (flirting). I really don't want to take this further.

The bus is about to leave and she gives me something. "Here, take this" and I see she's given me a mobile phone. I'm wondering why she's given me this as I walk off the bus and along the street.

I'm now in the street where I was supposed to be going on the number 5 bus. I'm with a male friend (B I think or a random DC) and we're walking in a downhill direction. The slope has me walking faster to a run and I can feel strong wind in my face. I decide that this is perfect for flying! I lift my arms (like an aeroplane) and catch the wind under my palms. I'm now floating above the road and suggest that my friend does the same. He doesn't. He's running next to me as I gain height (well, actually losing height but that's because the road is going downhill and me less so). I get to about 50' above the road and can see the side roads clearly above the tall buildings. I wake as I land at the bottom of the road/hill next to my friend.

I suspect many readers will be more interested in the flying than the part that interests me the most!

And it's not the numbers in the dream either, although they're interesting enough - 5, 20, 40. 2x20=40, 4x5=20, 8x5=40., Anyone spot the binary sequence relating those 3 numbers? Oh well.

The French assistant was at the same time a woman who was nice and loved me, and a woman I identified with as I would a member of my family. Getting close to her felt...wrong. I am now reminded of a popular theme in counselling which goes something like "It's correct and healthy for a man to resist having passionate thoughts about his mother, but can he allow himself to have passionate thoughts about other nice women?". I feel I'm struggling with the same ambiguity here. But that wasn't the bit that caught my attention. What caught my attention was that she gave me something - a mobile phone. Why would someone with whom I'm resisting getting emotionally (and physically) close to give me a mobile phone if not to contact her? I decode this episode as a kind of reaching out by a part of me that wants to offer love to the conscious me that's resisting it. I must try and make that phone call...

Some pdp here too. I accompanied my wife (who teaches French) to a train yesterday, so leaving this woman on the bus was a similar feeling, except I was feeling what "she" was feelin irl as well as being the one not travelling. Or so it seems. At least it didn't evoke a train dream!

Originally Posted by Burned up

She has that look on her face that she can't contain her emotions - flushed and almost crying with love for me. She stretches out her arms and draws me towards her. She's hugging me tight and we're cheek-to-cheek although I'm standing (leaning over) and she's sitting. I'm feeling really awkward as I don't really fancy her. She's nice enough but there's something rather auntie-looking about her with her short permed hair that has me feeling rather incestuous. I wonder if she knows I'm married and whether I've been giving out mixed messages (flirting). I really don't want to take this further.

Haha, now you finally HAVE a woman who wants you and then you reject her
Nah, I can imagine this is not the person you were looking for

I lift my arms (like an aeroplane) and catch the wind under my palms. I'm now floating above the road and suggest that my friend does the same. He doesn't. He's running next to me as I gain height (well, actually losing height but that's because the road is going downhill and me less so). I get to about 50' above the road and can see the side roads clearly above the tall buildings. I wake as I land at the bottom of the road/hill next to my friend.

Cool, you flew! Isn't that a great feeling

And it's not the numbers in the dream either, although they're interesting enough - 5, 20, 40. 2x20=40, 4x5=20, 8x5=40., Anyone spot the binary sequence relating those 3 numbers? Oh well.

Perfect numbers :-)
I'm a number freak as well (When I see it's 12:34h I often say to someone: look, it's 1-2-3-4 hour ) And I much prefer even above odd numbers, unless they are dividable through 5

The French assistant was at the same time a woman who was nice and loved me, and a woman I identified with as I would a member of my family. Getting close to her felt...wrong. I am now reminded of a popular theme in counselling which goes something like "It's correct and healthy for a man to resist having passionate thoughts about his mother, but can he allow himself to have passionate thoughts about other nice women?". I feel I'm struggling with the same ambiguity here. But that wasn't the bit that caught my attention. What caught my attention was that she gave me something - a mobile phone. Why would someone with whom I'm resisting getting emotionally (and physically) close to give me a mobile phone if not to contact her? I decode this episode as a kind of reaching out by a part of me that wants to offer love to the conscious me that's resisting it. I must try and make that phone call...

Hmm, interesting. Especially that part about the love of a man for his mother and other women...

Maybe handing you the phone was representing a way of having close contact with someone without having physical contact?

Originally Posted by Sara

Haha, now you finally HAVE a woman who wants you and then you reject her
Nah, I can imagine this is not the person you were looking for

Didn't feel like it. But the irony isn't lost on me

Originally Posted by Sara

Cool, you flew! Isn't that a great feeling

Yes, I love the flying feeling.

Originally Posted by Sara

Perfect numbers :-)
I'm a number freak as well (When I see it's 12:34h I often say to someone: look, it's 1-2-3-4 hour ) And I much prefer even above odd numbers, unless they are dividable through 5

You don't like your decimal fractions going on for ever then . A fear of irrational numbers?

I'm a number geek. I once announced at work "It's exactly 1% of the way through the year now".

Originally Posted by Sara

Hmm, interesting. Especially that part about the love of a man for his mother and other women...

A large chunk of Freud's work was based on that. The daughter dynamics are not so clearly thought out. Probably because Freud wasn't a woman.

Originally Posted by Sara

Maybe handing you the phone was representing a way of having close contact with someone without having physical contact?

Didn't think of that. What I'm not sure about is whether it's telling me like it is now or how it could be. Probably neither now I think of it. Probably how I want it to be.

Originally Posted by Burned up

Teacher's pet
Somehow she's now in charge and at the end of the lesson I agree to go on some kind of errand. I know the place she wants me to go and I feel really insulted when she says "You can take the number 5 bus and be there in 20 minutes". I know exactly how to get there and I know fine well where the number 5 bus goes I think to myself. "Or you could walk it in 40 minutes". (Grrr...yes I KNOW).

ha ha I like this, it fits well with your dislike of being told what to do as you said earlier

Originally Posted by Burned up

flushed and almost crying with love for me. She stretches out her arms and draws me towards her. She's hugging me tight and we're cheek-to-cheek although I'm standing (leaning over) and she's sitting. I'm feeling really awkward as I don't really fancy her

aww its nice in a way but a shame you didnt like her back, could have been a good and very different scene had you liked her lol

Originally Posted by Burned up

I decide that this is perfect for flying! I lift my arms (like an aeroplane) and catch the wind under my palms. I'm now floating above the road and suggest that my friend does the same. He doesn't. He's running next to me as I gain height (well, actually losing height but that's because the road is going downhill and me less so). I get to about 50' above the road and can see the side roads clearly above the tall buildings. I wake as I land at the bottom of the road/hill next to my friend.

cool flying, I have done that a few times way in the past lol its very freeing I think

Originally Posted by Burned up

And it's not the numbers in the dream either, although they're interesting enough - 5, 20, 40. 2x20=40, 4x5=20, 8x5=40., Anyone spot the binary sequence relating those 3 numbers? Oh well.

wow I never noticed that in the slightest lol I am guessing you are good with numbers and stuff

The bit where you fly sounds pretty cool
What was teaching DC's like?
We're they talk-to-a-wall dumb? XD

Originally Posted by mark

aww its nice in a way but a shame you didnt like her back, could have been a good and very different scene had you liked her lol

I'm clearly doing something wrong in my dreams. Yet again moral values are stopping me following my carnal desires. I mean - I don't HAVE to fancy her. She had the hots for me but somehow that wasn't enough! Oh well, I got a mobile phone out of it.

Now I think of it, the last time something like this happened she gave me a loaf of bread.

Originally Posted by mark

wow I never noticed that in the slightest lol I am guessing you are good with numbers and stuff

I've worked with numbers for years and I like looking for patterns. I don't know how much maths is innate (i.e. how much we can do unconsciously) but I've come across the powers of 2 sequence 2 or 3 times recently in different people's dreams here. Or it could be coincidence. I mean, the 8 follows as it's just the 2 times the 4. Is the number 5 important in this dream or does it mean nothing more than the fact that the number 5 stops outside my house irl?

Originally Posted by Sanquis

The bit where you fly sounds pretty cool
What was teaching DC's like?
We're they talk-to-a-wall dumb? XD

The first teacher was quite capable but the class was young and I think they were doing art type stuff. I didn't see the woman who fancied me teach but she seemed to be competent. She reminded me a little of my friend L.

Nothing much

- trying to play "Court of the Crimson King" on the guitar

- My course friend S from Skye as a younger person (i.e.before I knew her)

Originally Posted by Burned up

Nothing much

- trying to play "Court of the Crimson King" on the guitar

That's interesting! Have you tried it yet for real?

Originally Posted by Burned up

Nothing much

- trying to play "Court of the Crimson King" on the guitar

- My course friend S from Skye as a younger person (i.e.before I knew her)

Do you actually play guitar?

Originally Posted by Burned up

Sounds tempting! I wasn't very strong/fast at school and never played much sport (so I don't know why I have so many football dreams). But now I think I'm strong compared to many my age - in the sense that I'm fit and have loads of stamina. I go hillwalking, swimming, skiing etc.

I'm kind of the same way; I totally sucked at all sports in school (I used to space out and forget to run, for example, besides being puny), but now I feel like I'm in better shape than other people my age. There was a work party one summer, and they were playing volleyball, and I didn't want to play because of horrible memories of compulsory sports, but then I did--and I realized I had caught up to other people finally. So maybe you are like that too. That's not so bad, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Burned up

Is it so unusual? Well the "Norman Stanley" bit comes from a sitcom character in the UK. Set in a prison, the opening line each week was a judge saying "Norman Stanley Fletcher you are sentenced to...". Somehow I hybridised this name with Sean Lamont who is a rugby player here in Scotland, who I know I was thinking about in the dream. Quite funny now I think about it

I think it is somewhat; just like how you remember the numbers really well.

Originally Posted by Burned up

But I do get pissed off when the shape of my urinary tract prevents me from seeing potential counselling clients!!!

Hmmm, that doesn't seem fair, that's true. On the other hand, I can see why someone might want a particular kind (well, I guess I should just say gender) of person as a counselor. It's like with other kinds of doctors too.

Well I hope that gets resolved somehow. I can see why you don't like that.

Originally Posted by Burned up

I decide that this is perfect for flying! I lift my arms (like an aeroplane) and catch the wind under my palms. I'm now floating above the road and suggest that my friend does the same. He doesn't. He's running next to me as I gain height (well, actually losing height but that's because the road is going downhill and me less so). I get to about 50' above the road and can see the side roads clearly above the tall buildings. I wake as I land at the bottom of the road/hill next to my friend.

I suspect many readers will be more interested in the flying than the part that interests me the most!

You know us too well, don't you! Of course that is the good part! (RC! RC!)

Originally Posted by Burned up

I'm a number geek. I once announced at work "It's exactly 1% of the way through the year now".

Whoa. You said the "g" word, not me.

Originally Posted by Burned up

- trying to play "Court of the Crimson King" on the guitar

I didn't know you played guitar too. I haven't heard that for a while.

Originally Posted by pj

That's interesting! Have you tried it yet for real?

Originally Posted by raklet

Do you actually play guitar?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I didn't know you played guitar too. I haven't heard that for a while.

Yes. Kind of. Well I have a guitar. I have two guitars actually but not electric ones - a classical guitar I bought when I was a student because it was cheap and a steel-string I bought last year when I was getting into it again after so many years.

"Court of the Crimson King" is something I recently re-discovered. Not quite Stairway to Heaven but pretty much the same genre and an epic of c1970 British prog rock (like Deep Purple's "Child in Time" and Genesis' "Supper's Ready"). I can't stop humming it now so perhaps not too surprising I dreamed of it.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I'm kind of the same way; I totally sucked at all sports in school (I used to space out and forget to run, for example, besides being puny), but now I feel like I'm in better shape than other people my age. There was a work party one summer, and they were playing volleyball, and I didn't want to play because of horrible memories of compulsory sports, but then I did--and I realized I had caught up to other people finally. So maybe you are like that too. That's not so bad, don't you think?

Yes, same thing. I didn't like having to play sports at school. But I reckon I could hold my own now.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Hmmm, that doesn't seem fair, that's true. On the other hand, I can see why someone might want a particular kind (well, I guess I should just say gender) of person as a counselor. It's like with other kinds of doctors too.

Well I hope that gets resolved somehow. I can see why you don't like that.

Yes, that's the gist of it. But unless someone's mental state is in danger I think it's basically missing the point of counselling, which is a talking therapy.
My own opinion is that the assessment forms invite people to tick the [M][F] counsellor preference boxes, so many do. And I suspect few female clients will specifically request a male counsellor although I imagine rather more would actually like to have one (from the limited soundings I've taken).

Wonder what would be the case if there were [White][Black][Chinese][Indian] etc boxes or [Gay][Straight][Bi][Trans] boxes.

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Originally Posted by Burned up

Wonder what would be the case if there were [White][Black][Chinese][Indian] etc boxes or [Gay][Straight][Bi][Trans] boxes.

Pandora's Box would be the case I think. Can you imagine the outcry from the human rights activists?

Originally Posted by Burned up

"Court of the Crimson King" is something I recently re-discovered. Not quite Stairway to Heaven but pretty much the same genre and an epic of c1970 British prog rock (like Deep Purple's "Child in Time" and Genesis' "Supper's Ready"). I can't stop humming it now so perhaps not too surprising I dreamed of it.

You got it in my head; I immediately started hearing it when I read those words. I should listen to it. Hey on my trip I will; I'll take my rarely-used ipod and listen to the whole album.

Originally Posted by Burned up

Yes, same thing. I didn't like having to play sports at school. But I reckon I could hold my own now.

It's kind of funny to go from the suckiest, last-picked person to the best on on the team.

Originally Posted by Burned up;717100Yes, that's the gist of it. But unless someone's mental state is in danger I think it's basically missing the point of counselling, which is a talking therapy.
My own opinion is that the assessment forms invite people to tick the [M

[F] counsellor preference boxes, so many do. And I suspect few female clients will specifically request a male counsellor although I imagine rather more would actually like to have one (from the limited soundings I've taken).

They shouldn't force people to choose. They should only honor the request if it comes up. Most people probably wouldn't necessarily have a preference until asked.

I don't know which I'd choose. I hate to say this, I sort of feel like a traitor, but I'd probably pick a male. You talking about this male/female thing; I often think I relate better to a male way of looking at things than the female. Endless talking about problems without wanting real solutions annoys me; that is always what women want to do, it seems like. Female friends are so much more trouble than male. But they say that everyone, male or female, has to have a female to talk to to remain emotionally healthy, so I guess there's some point to it. Have you heard that?

Originally Posted by Burned up;717100Wonder what would be the case if there were [White

[Black][Chinese][Indian] etc boxes or [Gay][Straight][Bi][Trans] boxes.

I don't know how it is where you are, but here every patient has the right to refuse to be treated by a doctor, and demand another, if available, if they don't "like" the first doctor, for whatever reason that may be, including gender, race, arbitrary dislike based on looks, etc. and that won't be held against them.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

You got it in my head; I immediately started hearing it when I read those words. I should listen to it. Hey on my trip I will; I'll take my rarely-used ipod and listen to the whole album.

I don't even recall what else is on the album. I never owned it. But it's a great track. There's a nice live take on youtube with Wetton on the vocals seemingly not as part of a regular KC show.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

It's kind of funny to go from the suckiest, last-picked person to the best on on the team.

I feel kind of smug about it

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

They shouldn't force people to choose. They should only honor the request if it comes up. Most people probably wouldn't necessarily have a preference until asked.

Yes, that's what I think. People are encouraged to express a preference where one may not exist or may exist for the wrong reasons. e.g. I have a male colleague who requests a female doctor for his annual health checkup.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I don't know which I'd choose. I hate to say this, I sort of feel like a traitor, but I'd probably pick a male. You talking about this male/female thing; I often think I relate better to a male way of looking at things than the female. Endless talking about problems without wanting real solutions annoys me; that is always what women want to do, it seems like. Female friends are so much more trouble than male. But they say that everyone, male or female, has to have a female to talk to to remain emotionally healthy, so I guess there's some point to it. Have you heard that?

Don't assume too much about what a man or a woman would offer. It goes more on the style of counselling. Solution-focused counselling is one mode and CBT is another which would probably suit you more, whatever the gender of the counsellor. But person-centred counselling probably would not.

I would challenge your last statement if applied to counselling. Our training is big on empathy so we should all be able to accept and express emotions and indeed this is an important part of the counselling process. But I know what you mean and for many people not having encountered counselling that statement would probably be true.

Originally Posted by raklet

Pandora's Box would be the case I think. Can you imagine the outcry from the human rights activists?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I don't know how it is where you are, but here every patient has the right to refuse to be treated by a doctor, and demand another, if available, if they don't "like" the first doctor, for whatever reason that may be, including gender, race, arbitrary dislike based on looks, etc. and that won't be held against them.

That's true of counselling in general, yes. But I think that's different to requesting a certain specification of counsellor before you've even met. It's normal for me to introduce the first session as a "getting to know one another" session. And if we decide not to meet again that's OK.

My preference would be for the form to have a "any other information you would like to tell us" box where people can think for themselves what they need and why.

Originally Posted by Burned up

I don't even recall what else is on the album. I never owned it. But it's a great track. There's a nice live take on youtube with Wetton on the vocals seemingly not as part of a regular KC show.

Originally Posted by Burned up

I feel kind of smug about it

I guess I obviously do to. Take that, all you mean athletic kids who are now fat lazy middle-aged people.

Originally Posted by Burned up

Don't assume too much about what a man or a woman would offer. It goes more on the style of counselling. Solution-focused counselling is one mode and CBT is another which would probably suit you more, whatever the gender of the counsellor. But person-centred counselling probably would not.

I guess someone trained in the field would be different than random friends.

Originally Posted by Burned up

I would challenge your last statement if applied to counselling. Our training is big on empathy so we should all be able to accept and express emotions and indeed this is an important part of the counselling process. But I know what you mean and for many people not having encountered counselling that statement would probably be true.

I was quoting some long-ago psych class; the teacher was a man. He had everyone raise their hand if they had a female to talk to every day or something like that, and said that was a necessity. Just something I remembered. Now that I think about it, I doubt I really need that (even tho I do have it; I talk to my Mom every day. )

Originally Posted by Burned up

My preference would be for the form to have a "any other information you would like to tell us" box where people can think for themselves what they need and why.

You're totally right. You should be in charge there.

Originally Posted by Burned up

You don't like your decimal fractions going on for ever then . A fear of irrational numbers?

No, and I also don't like pi or e or any of those irrational numbers I prefer plain answers

I'm a number geek. I once announced at work "It's exactly 1% of the way through the year now".

Whahaha, so when is that?
(and true, that's a really geeky thing to do. almost as much as stating there are only 10 types of people in the world, the ones that understand binary and the ones that don't)

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Originally Posted by Burned up

I feel kind of smug about it

I guess I obviously do to. Take that, all you mean athletic kids who are now fat lazy middle-aged people.

Precisely

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I guess someone trained in the field would be different than random friends.

Yes that's the theory. But clients probably won't know that or want to know that.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I was quoting some long-ago psych class; the teacher was a man. He had everyone raise their hand if they had a female to talk to every day or something like that, and said that was a necessity. Just something I remembered. Now that I think about it, I doubt I really need that (even tho I do have it; I talk to my Mom every day. )

Well it's a vast generalisation to genderise (is that a word?) but I think we're all the more healthy if we balance our emotional and rational experiences however we choose to do that.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

You're totally right. You should be in charge there.

Haha well there are many parts to that job I could do without!

Originally Posted by Sara

No, and I also don't like pi or e or any of those irrational numbers I prefer plain answers

These numbers describe the physical nature of our universe. But I suppose it's hard to understand how something pure and simple as a circle needs numbers like pi to describe it.

Originally Posted by Sara

Whahaha, so when is that?

3.65 days into the year. Or 3.36pm on the 3 Jan
But not this year

Originally Posted by Sara

(and true, that's a really geeky thing to do. almost as much as stating there are only 10 types of people in the world, the ones that understand binary and the ones that don't)

LOL I haven't heard that one before. :bravo:

Random adventures

Wife and I had left our bikes at the end of a cul-de-sac possibly in a multi-story car park. When we returned the cul-de-sac had been shortened by the police and we were accused of parking illegally. We had to pay to get them back and my wife appears with them in front of the barrier that now marked the end of the road. I was angry at this unfair treatment.

The bikes have now turned into fighter planes and they have been vandalised and burned up (haha). I watch as a wing falls off the larger one

Next thing I know I'm in a hotel lobby with lots of unknown DCs. I'm naked and I sense that I'm not the only one although it's like conceptual as I don't see naked people. Anyhow I recall I left my trench coat in the next room and sure enough it's still there when I go and look for it. I pull it on and feel more at ease.

I don't know anyone and want to strike up a conversation so I start talking about football. It occurs to me that this is not a good tactic for attracting females. We're all now walking along this lane. It's dead straight and lined with thin trees (poplars?) [like where Sara comes from ] and I catch up with this short jolly young woman and hold her hand or she my arm, I forget. Behind me is another woman, taller and quieter and I think she should be called Andrea. [As I write I'm vaguely aware of an Andrea from my childhood who was tall and quiet]. I sense that "Andrea" wants to be my friend but I'm concerned that she'll be put off because I'm already paired with this short woman. Nevertheless I stretch my arm back and she takes my hand too. I'm walking hand in hand with both of them. [Readers - this is as good as it gets in my dreams]. I notice that the short woman is now my young son

More randomness

The only thing that separates the two randomnesses was that I was awake for half an hour in between. A good opportunity to try WILDing you say? Zzzzzzz say I.

I was swimming in an indoor pool and as I got out I saw the attendant - a woman about 10 years older than me - was already pulling the covers over.

I walk into a busy bar or shop (like a French tabac) and there's talk of an attack which either was or wasn't caught on CCTV (can't read my writing). Wondering who was involved, I saw this fat boy dash into the shop ready to exclaim some news. "I got in with 30 and had 28 change. What a rip-off." He was referring to a shop or something across the road and absolutely nothing to do with the attack.

Finally I'm in the meeting room at work for our weekly conference call with London. Apparently we've been starting the meeting with prayers and I never realised my manager in London was Christian . Wondered what others would make of this.

This pile of nonsense doesn't encourage my motivation to try and make sense of it all. The numbers must mean something. 30... minutes? 28....dominoes? (I did play dominoes the previous evening). 30-28=2 possibly a binary thing again? Ach, who cares.

The issue with the 2 women is definitely me trying to process issues of relationships. But it's something about me not about other people. When I reached out, she was there. Why did I think she wouldn't be?

Originally Posted by Burned up

Random adventures
The bikes have now turned into fighter planes and they have been vandalised and burned up (haha). I watch as a wing falls off the larger one

ha ha you like your little word games dont ya? shame though I bet the fighter jets would have been a cool ride

Originally Posted by Burned up

Anyhow I recall I left my trench coat in the next room and sure enough it's still there when I go and look for it. I pull it on and feel more at ease.

he he I laugh at your brains reluctance to dream sex ha ha

Originally Posted by Burned up

More randomness
I walk into a busy bar or shop (like a French tabac) and there's talk of an attack which either was or wasn't caught on CCTV (can't read my writing). Wondering who was involved, I saw this fat boy dash into the shop ready to exclaim some news. "I got in with 30 and had 28 change. What a rip-off." He was referring to a shop or something across the road and absolutely nothing to do with the attack.

he he I thought we were gonna see some more of you dream dislike of fat people ha ha

Originally Posted by Burned up

Random adventures

The bikes have now turned into fighter planes and they have been vandalised and burned up (haha). I watch as a wing falls off the larger one

Had to read that sentence twice before I saw the funny part of it...

Next thing I know I'm in a hotel lobby with lots of unknown DCs. I'm naked and I sense that I'm not the only one although it's like conceptual as I don't see naked people.

Hey, you were streaking again! I'm glad you were not in my bus

We're all now walking along this lane. It's dead straight and lined with thin trees (poplars?) [like where Sara comes from ]

That makes me think of a very old poem about holland...

] and I catch up with this short jolly young woman and hold her hand or she my arm, I forget. -snip- Nevertheless I stretch my arm back and she takes my hand too. I'm walking hand in hand with both of them. [Readers - this is as good as it gets in my dreams]. I notice that the short woman is now my young son

Well, that is some progress there!
First naked in a dream, then holding TWO ladies by the hand... Next will be a try to combine those

No, seriously, you ARE making progress. Not much train-dreams lately and more feelings for women. That's a start!

The only thing that separates the two randomnesses was that I was awake for half an hour in between. A good opportunity to try WILDing you say? Zzzzzzz say I.

LOL, did you even try? Or you just write down a dream, turn around and fall back asleep?
I often try to WILD during the night, but never succeed. I can only do it in the beginning of the night (when I'm really tired)

I was swimming in an indoor pool and as I got out I saw the attendant - a woman about 10 years older than me - was already pulling the covers over.

Indication for an approaching ending?

"I got in with 30 and had 28 change. What a rip-off."

At least they were even numbers

Finally I'm in the meeting room at work for our weekly conference call with London. Apparently we've been starting the meeting with prayers and I never realised my manager in London was Christian . Wondered what others would make of this.

Ehm, depends how you feel about Christians, I guess...

The issue with the 2 women is definitely me trying to process issues of relationships. But it's something about me not about other people. When I reached out, she was there. Why did I think she wouldn't be?

Hmm, can't think of a reason for that. Maybe something you related to the argument you had with your wife?

Originally Posted by mark

ha ha you like your little word games dont ya? shame though I bet the fighter jets would have been a cool ride

Not in these wrecks. Probably how I feel just now - wrecked. I'm being mum and dad at the mo as my wife is with her father who's critically ill in England. Anyone who says single parents have it easy need to take a good look at themselves

Originally Posted by mark

he he I laugh at your brains reluctance to dream sex ha ha

I don't see the funny side myself

Originally Posted by mark

he he I thought we were gonna see some more of you dream dislike of fat people ha ha

Yeah that was there too. I didn't really like this kid. Like he was spoiled or something.

Originally Posted by Sara

Hey, you were streaking again! I'm glad you were not in my bus

My DCs all seem to think like that too

Originally Posted by Sara

That makes me think of a very old poem about holland...

Doubt I'll know that. Unless it was a song about a mouse living in a windmill in Old Amsterdam.

"I saw a mouse. Where? There on the stairs..."

Originally Posted by Sara

Well, that is some progress there!
First naked in a dream, then holding TWO ladies by the hand... Next will be a try to combine those

LOL you're not wrong there. . I've had precious few sex dreams and never in my memory a group sex dream!

Originally Posted by Sara

No, seriously, you ARE making progress. Not much train-dreams lately and more feelings for women. That's a start!

Yes I don't miss the trains at all. A few football dreams lately however. I don't even play football.

Originally Posted by Sara

LOL, did you even try? Or you just write down a dream, turn around and fall back asleep?

More like:
"A is for aardvark and I'm going to dream.
"B is for bastard and I really am going to dream.
"C is for cornflake and yes this is really going to be a dream
"D is for doorknob and I really feel there's a lucid dream going to come on
"E is for Emerson Lake and Palmer, dream boy, dream
"F is for fu....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z...

Originally Posted by Sara

I often try to WILD during the night, but never succeed. I can only do it in the beginning of the night (when I'm really tired)

I try then too. Reminds me of a meditation I learned many years ago which was all about keeping the mind alert. That sent me to sleep too.

Originally Posted by Sara

Indication for an approaching ending?

I think the swimming pool covers were something to do with blocking my emotions. I seem to be doing that just now.

Originally Posted by Sara

Hmm, can't think of a reason for that. Maybe something you related to the argument you had with your wife?

I'm sure that has kicked off these strange dreams. That and her absence and me looking after the children. (Her father is critically ill).

Originally Posted by Burned up

Not in these wrecks. Probably how I feel just now - wrecked. I'm being mum and dad at the mo as my wife is with her father who's critically ill in England. Anyone who says single parents have it easy need to take a good look at themselves

Oh no thats not nice. It must be difficult at the min for you and your family I hope your wifes father will be ok. It must be hard as well cos I imagine your kids are at the age when they notice these things.

Still on the plus side its a massive compliment for yourself that you are coping with the kids.....you know the stereotype of fathers your living proof its wrong

Originally Posted by mark

Oh no thats not nice. It must be difficult at the min for you and your family I hope your wifes father will be ok. It must be hard as well cos I imagine your kids are at the age when they notice these things.

Still on the plus side its a massive compliment for yourself that you are coping with the kids.....you know the stereotype of fathers your living proof its wrong

I wouldn't recommend it. Apart from anything else, it ruins your dream recall!! (Priorities, man, priorities). My children are all school age and are reacting very differently. My youngest is being all very cooperative and efficient but at the end of the day he's exhausted so I imagine he's burning up a lot of nervous energy, or whatever energy is required to avoid missing his mum. At the other end of the scale, my eldest is getting very emotionally exhausted and probably feeling more like me. For the 2 in the middle you'd hardly know anything has happened!

I spoke to my wife earlier. Her father is slowly deteriorating in hospital. But she's coming back for a few days, if his condition doesn't get seriously worse. Should be better for the dream recall