Thread: Something

Originally Posted by Moppon

Yes, they can.
And anyone wishing for Stephen King/Clive barker meets Robert Monroe, it is entertaining fiction.

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying you think some people post stories on their dream journals instead of actual dreams? That seems completely pointless to me.

Yes, it seems pretty pointless to me too. But it seems to do something for them, where they can roleplay themselves into something that simulates confidence and power over fear in dreaming. I know, I used to do something like that also.
But, of course, in real dreaming, they have to rely on some kind outside moderation.

Things were deleted, but I have most of them.
There was another from Mosh, and another from Moppon...which I do not have.

But this is the problem, with deleted posts. It does not make things go away, or clarify them. It just leads to confusion, and the politics of one word over the other word. Who do people believe?

They don't get the chance to read the actual posts, and decide for themselves. They have to go on image words. Or just let it wash away...

It really does not matter to me, what other people think though, because the only ones who could know what happened, are the ones who were there. Which is Mosh, me, moppon, ravenknight, and nomad.

Anyone else trying to get into it, it is not about them. They could only be judging things from their views.

There are things which happen in dreaming, that even the dream team may not know about and understand. And it just happens that sometimes when the fears are oozing off, then they get dreamt anyways.

Someone just said, that people should always ask permission to share dreams...

They came into a place where I dream often, before I even knew them. I had not ever been to this dreamviews before.
But I didn't ask them to...and the fears stiill get dreamt.

I would not have asked them to, or expected them to leave...although I did try and tell them what tends to happen.

Maybe it could be seen, as my putting the bug on Mosh, was overstepping some unseen edges...but they had already oozed out their fears into the springs. And I cannot help what their fears are.

There are also places that even the dream team may not understand.
But it seems like, the only one being rude, in these posts I still have, is Nomad, and Jeff7echo.

Mosh was, in his post, saying something about them coming after me, looking for me, or something..."Don't give us cause to investigate you further."
and Moppon said to them, to go ahead and bring it on...

So they deleted the posts, and sicked jeff7echo on us...

We know why they got upset, and I am sure they do, if they look inside.

But this has nothing to do with whether other people want to get involved with the dream team. They should just go by what they see, not what anyone says about it. Including us.




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A and P were not involved.
Things can be put in place by people you don't even know, and your inner fears can produce a whole series of scary, action, energy battles, that lock you out of experiencing balance.
If someone puts a bug on me, I look at it, I feel it, I communicate with it.
The same bug could go on someone else, and they freak, they think it is attacking them, going inside of them and doing horrible things to them.
Nine times out of ten, when Evil is perceived to be an outside battle, the smoking mirror is in effect.



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Originally Posted by Moppon
A and P were not involved.
Things can be put in place by people you don't even know, and your inner fears can produce a whole series of scary, action, energy battles, that lock you out of experiencing balance.
If someone puts a bug on me, I look at it, I feel it, I communicate with it.
The same bug could go on someone else, and they freak, they think it is attacking them, going inside of them and doing horrible things to them.
Nine times out of ten, when Evil is perceived to be an outside battle, the smoking mirror is in effect.

You don't know what you're talking about, PseudoMorpheus.

Please don't interpret our dreams for us. It's insulting. If we want out dreams interpreted, we will post them in that forum. We know exactly what our dreams are about.



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I put the bug on Mosh.




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Originally Posted by Mea
I put the bug on Mosh.

WTF?! If that's true, why would you do that? If it's not, why would you make such a claim?



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Originally Posted by Raven Knight
WTF?! If that's true, why would you do that? If it's not, why would you make such a claim?

Because I like bugs...
and I felt to leave one for him.

I left nomad the leaf, and dreamt your dream, and left mosh the bug.

I didn't mean it to frighten anyone, but that happens from inside.




Jeff777

EDIT: Do not post private messages.

Just so we're clear, I stated that this was a privately owned message board, not a private one. It's pretty obvious this is a public board.

Here is a posting that is missing from your records:
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From: Moppon
Date: Jan 26, 2010

Originally Posted by Moppon

*You guys from the The Shared Dreaming Dream Team sure have alot of inner
hostility and fear related issues.

To you a bug can be some demon creature, to me, you come off entirely hostile in
your dream accounts.
Killing bugs and making demons out of anything that crosses your path, and is
not part of the The Shared Dreaming Dream Team.

I know you, of course, have your own interpretations of your dreams, even if
they were just Raven knight's dreams.

Do I mind being insulting to you? No. bring it on.

Raven's Knights head banging metal tactics would have no effect.
No three of you would.

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Notes: This is the post that I found hostile. I wouldn't normally pay much attention to it, but I was fighting a serious depression then... and the depression makes me overreact to small things, as the people I chat with and dream with will confirm... but the depression is under control now, and I see reporting this single offensive post as overreacting.

And for the record, I tried to explain things and communicate with Mea several times via PM. I have also kept records of those. I try to keep complete notes for future reference. Since it was really just Moppon who I found insulting, I really am sorry Mea's postings got caught up in that. I also hadn't anticipated anything as serious as a ban warning...

We figured there are two possibilities. Since Mea says the bug was not meant to be harmful, that leaves the possibility that Mea left a harmless bug and a more hostile entity, I saw with my own eyes that it was A and I would know her energy anywhere, corrupted it to change it into a weapon. I tend to believe the latter. And my goal was never to harm A, either, though it might have seemed that way. I knew her before she was using dark energy, and my main goal was to free her of the dark energy... which can be rather difficult when I am fighting my own inner dark energy.

I know the results were not just a result of MoSh's fear, because there was actually dark energy in the corrupted bug when I removed it from MoSh's chest... and it left dark energy corruption behind in MoSh. I wish I had known at the time that the bug hadn't originally been evil, then I would have known there was a chance to remove the corruption and return it to its normal benign form. As I have said, I was fighting my own inner dark energy and I reacted more violently than necessary when removing the bug from MoSh... and I do regret that. Normally I am fine with bugs. We have lots of June bugs here in Arizona. People think I'm weird when I lift them from a swimming pool so they won't drown.

I hope this clears some things up. Any questions or comments, feel free to ask here or PM me, as this is a dream journal and does not need to be cluttered up with debates. As always, anyone who is not hostile is welcome on the moon in the biodome.

That particular post that you included would be understood better if the previous one from Mosh, that it followed, was also included.
If you save all the posts, then you would have that one too.

On your journal, it appears that nothing happened, because jeff777 erased everyone's posts on that incident.

But my response was the result of Mosh's. Which we couldn't find it, but one thing it said was something like; "don't give us cause to investigate you further"
And he said that to Mea, wrong thing to do around me! It sounded like a threat, the words he used. Whether that involved some dream investigation, I was willing to find out.
So my response was basically there to provoke any dream team member that thought they were hot shit in the dream world and thought they could do some dream team mafia here, to bring it on.
It wasn't really insulting, I just said I didn't care if it was.

The conflict, I see, is; in a dream encounter, where you guys write that you handle whatever comes up, yourselves, with supernatural powers and headbanging songs, and yet someone says something here you don't like, and you have a MOD handle it.

Because if people really understood what me and Mea said, what we meant, then the idea of us having our posts judged unhelpful and deleted and spoken to snidely by a MOD, would seem fascist.
But, I guess since it is privately owned it is okay to indulge in those kind of power trips.

And this is Mea's journal, so what dream incidents and how we talk about them, be it astral or physical, is up to her, whether we want to debate.

Originally Posted by Moppon

fascist.

This is the only post I will ever make in this thread. I find it IRONIC, That you slandered some people for using Name calling "troll" In a BD thread. And now you are using the exact same name calling tehnique to try and counter an argument.

And since when does name calling constitute a valid argument?

You worried about the term fascist?
It is the nearest adjective to describe. And I said it seemed fascist.
But people are not banned, when they are branded fascist anyway.
They are when they are Trolled.

That was the last word though?


I said a whole lot more that you didn't acknowledge.
But that maybe the point.

Yeah, it was meant to be threatening...I found it though...it is here.

Mea
*Because I like bugs...
and I felt to leave one for him.

I left nomad the leaf, and dreamt your dream, and left mosh the bug.

I didn't mean it to frighten anyone, but that happens from inside.


Man of Shred

I know A and P by their energy. It wasn't you. If you keep making such claims will only cause us to investigate you further.

Yeah, he is definately uptight.
When you point out power issues with someone, and they respond by shutting out and walling up more than they already had, you know you got an effective new moderator. Though it doesn't do much for them spiritually.
But there is time for every form.

Personally, I don't run away before seeing what is actually going on.

Like didn't he already misread you?

Yeah, more then one time...

That seems to be the trend with the DT.

The lady in the water, she was with me...and it was there in the wind, those fears still oozing, blowing through the trees there.

Collecting in the drops on the leaves...I could hear them.

They tried to move things, those fears, but they were just oozing...and they still had to be dreamt.

'I don't want to dream their fears...I don't want to'...I was whispering inside, with the lady there...and the wind blows...

'They are afraid to die, afraid if the body was not there...they don't understand...', I feel the wind inside...

Yeah, they didn't ask what was going on in the rabbit video.
They just judged like with the bug. Animal lovers that kill bugs? Hmmn.
But anyway, I saw her doing something last night, trying to do something to me.
I saw it in a more abstract way.
I could feel that she couldn't do anything.
And if he thinks he can lock people out of their astral bodies, because of his petty, misguided judgements. I feel this is proof positive that they don't evaluate what is going on, accurately. And this is all in their head.

But he was right, in a way. I guess they have been picking fights with non-lucid dreamers up until now.
But I felt what she was doing, and sent something out, and because of how they view things as Evil that they don't understand, then their delusions create images of horror. I wouldn't do anything, they would just hurt themselves.
I don't act in my astral body, emotional body, and I don't see the world as a predatorial place, where beings are out to destroy, and take souls, Like castaneda did. Carlos created alot of misconceptions of what Toltecism is about, and in fact, created his own version of it. Not based on the nahuatl.

Sometime in the future, they may be able to see a bit more clearer.

Yeah, I was feeling that too.

It shows there, in those tangled brownies...because I noticed there was only one sharp thing in that dreaming...and they don't understand how things go through yet.

Maybe they might see clearer sometime.

I am just wondering: what is this rabbit video that you are talking about? Is it somehow connected with Raven's dream about healing that rabbit and attacking the man who was filming it? I have been following all of these dream journals. I am not so sure I want to be a part of any of this. But now I am very curious about this video.

If you didn't want to be involved, then you probably would not have asked me to dream your dream, or share dreams with you...

And you would not keep asking.

This is not a side show, like many of the dreamview events...however, there is probably something you might like on TV.

Originally Posted by Mea

If you didn't want to be involved, then you probably would not have asked me to dream your dream, or share dreams with you...

And you would not keep asking.

This is not a side show, like many of the dreamview events...however, there is probably something you might like on TV.

So what is with the secrecy? I am just wanting to know what this video is that started a lot of drama so I can reach my own decision. All I want is a link to the video in question. Or I can just ask Raven Knight for the link, but if she misinterpreted the video as you have implied, I worry I might not get the whole story. So please just post the video link and let your readers reach their own decisions on the nature of it.

And it appears you may have misunderstood me. I asked to share a dream with you once, you said no, and I left it at that. I have not asked again to share a dream with you, but I have continued to be interested in your dream journal. I am not asking to share a dream with you now, either. Just to be completely clear this time.

The video itself didn't create the drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHUf7C_uf8

Just that members of the dream team did not bother to ask me what happened, and you can't tell by watching the video, what was going on, fully.

There was a response from raven; "The poor thing was suffering and you just watched it die? And video taped the horrible scene? Get help, or at least put the poor thing out of its misery... As an animal lover, I find that disgusting. "
And then she deleted it and went on her dream mind trip of stabbing me and blood coming out of my mouth.

If you look at their journals, they are consistently battling perceived enemies.

We have lost count of how many times Mosh has misunderstood and reacted defensively about our interactions with him.

But they are going to hurt themselves if they think they can pick fights with actual lucid dreamers, like they do.

I won't talk about what happened with the rabbit here, if people really care, and are not just looking for reasons to create another enemy, they can ask.

Just to promote honesty: the comment was removed by the author of the video. And someone said they didn't like censorship.

I watched the video. I honestly thought I was going to be sick. I know some people create videos deliberately to provoke offense in others. If you made that video to deliberately provoke offense in animal lovers, mission accomplished. I do not understand any possible context that could make that ok. Thank you for that revealing bit of video footage.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

Just to promote honesty: the comment was removed by the author of the video. And someone said they didn't like censorship.

That is an outright lie, and you know it.

What you wrote was:
RavenKnight11 has made a comment on My eyes.wmv:

The poor thing was suffering and you just watched it die? And video taped the horrible scene? Get help, or at least put the poor thing out of its misery... As an animal lover, I find that disgusting.
You can reply to this comment by visiting the comments page.

Comments get sent to my email, but you had removed it from the response page before I saw it there. Unless it was because Youtube was doing maintenance that night.

Originally Posted by Midnight Traveler

I watched the video. I honestly thought I was going to be sick. I know some people create videos deliberately to provoke offense in others. If you made that video to deliberately provoke offense in animal lovers, mission accomplished. I do not understand any possible context that could make that ok. Thank you for that revealing bit of video footage.

If you watched it, then you could have read what was written there as well.

There were things happening when the video was done, that none of you would know about...and have not bothered to ask.

Like I had said before...others who are not involved, who try and get involved...either as a fan club, or in a MOD situation...the only thing they could do is to judge it from their view. They were not there.

To you, MT, even with what is happening here, unless you were in the dreaming that happened, you would only see the surface. The only ones involved are the five who were there.

It is interesting how it is alright to kill every night in dreams, because it seems justified...but it is not alright to see a natural death.

The fears are oozing out, still...