Thread: Need help in attaining lucidity

I've been trying to lucid dream for 3+ months. Tried DILD, WILD, SSILD - nothing works. My goal is to have lucid dreams when going to bed, or in other words - NO WBTB. Overall situation:
1. During attempts to lucid dream, I now remember more dreams. When I wasn't trying to have lucid dreams I could remember 1-2 dreams in month. Now this number increased to 2-3 in each 2-3 days (dreams are quite vivid).
2. Learned to sleep on back normally. Can lay still and relaxed for at least 30 minutes. Despite laying still can't experience hypnagogic hallucinations.
3. Can concentrate on back of the my eyelids easily. Visualizing scenes that I want to experience in dream is not helping. Mantras don't help.

Are there are any other methods to lucid dream, or should i just grind these?

Have you heard of DEILD (Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream) It's an easier type of WILD where you take advantage of the fact that it's easier to enter back into a dream after waking up from it if you're able to notice the awakening faster. Try to more quickly identify awakenings from dreams until you can identify an awakening from a dream almost immediately after it happens. Before going to sleep, tell yourself to notice awakenings faster. Once you can notice awakenings from dreams almost immediately after the awakenings happen, you can you can work on lucidly entering back into dreams you woke up from, which you do by imagining something as a way to tell your mind to keep the dream going.

Thanks for advice, will try it somehow. Can't these days, cause have a lot of work to do. And if I let myself to awake around 10-11 a.m., then day seems to just "fly" for me (passes very quickly), so I try to awake around 8-9 a.m.

Hello! Can you give more detail about what you've been doing in these three months, what you have read, what your day practice looks like, what your night practice looks like. What you do, and when you do it?

By "My goal is to have lucid dreams when going to bed, or in other words - NO WBTB" do you mean you want to have lucid dreams as soon as you lie down to sleep, or just any time in the night is fine, without performing a purposeful WBTB?

Your increases in dream recall are a good sign that you're on the right path.

There are a number of different exercises and practices that one can do to promote dream recall and lucidity in dream. Some are day-focused and some are night-focused. I can understand the desire to avoid WBTB, I don't like it much myself, but there is no denying WBTB's effectiveness as a success-multiplier in having LDs.

My universal recommendation to beginners is to read Exploring The World of Lucid Dreams by LaBerge -- chapters 1 to 3 are the most important and where to focus, but of course you could read more if you're interested.

You may want to consider remaining open to the notion of noticing night-time wakings, at least for the purpose of recalling dreams, if not performing WBTB or night-time MILD or WILD. The more practice you have in recalling dreams, the better your recall will become. Everybody has a number of wakings during the night, but mostly we forget them as we just turn over and go back to sleep. In my experience, setting intent to notice wakings and recall dreams results in a rapid increase in recall, and brings one closer to lucidity faster.

Oh, are you trying MILD and WILD only at initial bedtime or also at wakings in the night? These sorts of details are important for people to be able to give appropriate advice.

Sorry for late response. So, I've had my first lucidity moment for... 5 seconds... In my dream I was sitting in chair infront of my pc and 'wow' - I said to myself: "Oh, that's a dream". But then I turned back, and a girl that was standing there said: "No"... and my dream ended...
I feel like that happened just right in midnight - not too early from going to bed, but not too late in morning.

So, about what you asked:
1. I haven't read any books about lucid dreaming, but will try the one you suggested.
2. Day practice - I don't really understand what do you mean, but - sometimes i can sleep midday (just some normal sleep), reality checks - I try to do it, but i have a memory of a goldfish (DOES NOT APPLY TO MY DREAM RECALL)
3. Night practice - well... I don't really understand what do you mean (again, sadly), but - I just lay in bed on my back, relax completely, and try to capture the scene in my head (to experience in dream). One important note - I've been trying different mantras, but almost all of them had no effect, BUT, the day I had my 5 seconds of lucidity I used "I'm falling asleep" mantra (and actually, I like it more among others).
4. About the time of lucid dreams - I would like to have them as soon as I lie down to sleep, but midnight is also fine (just without WBTB).
5. I do MILD, WILD etc. at initial bedtime, but I think I will be good doing them at wakings in the night.

Hi, so once you read ETWOLD (Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming), you'll know what I mean by day practice.
"Practice" means just whatever you're doing to promote lucid dreaming skills. Day practice is in the day, night practice is in the night.

Day practices include: mindfulness, SAT, various forms of all day awareness / presence, reflection/intention moments, prospective memory exercises (both in ETWOLD), meditation, daytime MILD, visualization, intention setting, dream journaling, reading your dream journal, thinking about dreams, planning and visualizing your dream goals, etc.

Night practices include: noticing wakings, MILD, WILD, dream recall and journaling (at least keyword notes), setting intent, DEILD, things like that.

Mantras can be helpful if they're meaningful to you.

WILD tends to have a higher success rate at WBTB (generally 2nd half of the night), but if you can do it at bedtime, good for you!

MILD is good any time of the night or day. It's considered very powerful at WBTB around the 3rd cycle (depends on your dreaming/sleeping pattern).