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      INTRO/DC-1 - scrumpy's workbook

      Here is a little write up from the first lecture:


      A LD is a dream that you were aware that you are dreaming
      It doesnít necessarily mean that you have control over the dream
      Awareness is a personal thing

      Ed Kelogís scale 1-5
      1)I realize that I dream, but continue to follow the dream "script"; no conscious choice.
      2)I still follow the dream script (knowing that I dream), but I can make minor choices in
      keeping with dream reality.
      3)I have the choice of following the dream script or not, can make major choices based on
      awareness of my potentialities in the dream state.
      4)I'm fully aware that I dream and of the location and state of my physical body; also
      remember most knowledge from waking life, at least as it relates to goals that I had set for my lucid dreams.
      5)I'm aware of myself as an integrated whole, at least on a level with how I would
      be during a waking focus. Thinking, feeling, creating aspects of self are working as a unified whole.

      Iím usually a 4, when I become lucid the dream plot usually stops and the DCís dissapear until I want to find them, Iím not sure that Iíve experienced a 1-3?

      Perhaps I have also written off 1ís as normal dreams? but I donít really think so

      Then you gave examples of your experiences of the Kelog scale, while everyone talked about other stuff

      Brief talk about WILDS

      Then you went on to dream content:

      day residue - easy to understand

      schemas - I battled to understand this, is it like just the ultimate setting with itís own laws and rules - I donít really get this, my dreams tend to be set in places from my past
      Can dreaming about the past, like the house I grew up in and my home town be a scheme? I know itís a dream sign but itís really hard to recognize

      faulty logic - self explanatory

      false memories - like creating backstories for events and characters - like someone whoís your friend but youíve never met them

      strong emotions - the one Iíve experienced is uncontrollable rage, once it starts I can't stop it and itís usually for little unimportant things - because of ID

      ego = creates conscious awareness, it analyses what is going on and mediates between the
      superego = creates mental boundaries, keeping you from doing things that are socially
      id = is purely instinctual and runs off of emotion and primal needs.

      attention - can this be why my stabilization techniques donít work I usually grab something and rub the hell out of it, like a stone or door or something but in doing so Iguess I forget about everything else.
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      Assignment: Go through your dream journal and analyse where the content of your dreams comes from. Is it mostly day residue? Do you notice a lot of false memories or faulty logic in them?

      A large part of my dreams revolve around characters from my past and scenes from my past, it's basically like my dream schema?, they are not really false memories more like I'm just living there again with the same people in the present, although every so often a character will pop up that has a made up history.

      I do get a lot of day residue, at the moment I'm planning a trip to Russia and almost every night I dream about travelling or flying somewhere (in a plane unfortunately), I dreamt about putting new tires on my bike last night after emailing around for prices yesterday.

      I have a surprisingly low amount of false logic and when something weird happens it tends to induce lucidity, I recently dreamt that I was scuba diving, but I had my mask on the whole time and obeyed the laws of this universe. I had a super short LD about someone heading a ball wrong in soccer and became instantly lucid. Maybe I could invent a dream world for myself???

      I aslo randomly experience strong emotions, particularly uncontrollable rage

      I tried to see how much each dream content category shows up (this is an estimate)
      day residue = 50%
      schemas = 60% if my past is a schema?
      faulty logic = 5%
      strong emotions = 20%

      Link to my DJ Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource - scumpy's journey to lucidity... - Dream Journals
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      17/18 Aug

      These dreams happened over 4 sleep cycles but it's difficult to separate when they happened

      Flying back and forth for a job interview, staying in a hotel. S,R,L and W are there, something about a TV.

      Get the new job arguing with my dad about God and miracles. Find out about troubled person Q. Have a new beach house on a golf estate - WOHOO!! Quad bikes riding around, house was Q's.

      i'm engaged in some sordid online chat thing C and R are also on but they don;t know that I am. SV is complaining about cleaning the FS team office carpet. More sordid chat.

      M and me were in an accident, he is in hospital in critical condition. Bubba is a DR - lol and looks at x-rays and gives his opinion, M's body is there and B cuts his hospital gown made of lycra with a scalpel to look underneath at his stomach. I explain our injuries. Later I'm comforting M's mom and the operation begins while we sit a a board room table.

      I'm at dad's business in kimberley upstairs, there is a n axel for my mom's car, I am extremely tired form M's ordeal (he died). and grab an energy sachet from a bag that belongs to my dad, it feels like I'm stealing it. We go down a car ramp and then C is gonna pull me somewhere on like a rickshaw thing but she can't. We have a discussion with a street kid...

      I'm on the back of a pickup, dad is driving. He greats an old friend and then a dog chases us. We go into a bike store, I look at MX pants and then tires and then boots, all the boots are sucky...
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      Quote Originally Posted by scrumpy View Post
      schemas - I battled to understand this, is it like just the ultimate setting with it’s own laws and rules - I don’t really get this, my dreams tend to be set in places from my past
      Can dreaming about the past, like the house I grew up in and my home town be a scheme? I know it’s a dream sign but it’s really hard to recognize
      If anyone else have issues regarding Schema or Schemata (schemas) I did a presentation on the concept a year back, I can eassily translate this, drop the boring psychological acedemia and pull out what seems relevant for dreaming.. that is if anyone is interested?

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      If you would like to share it, absolutely, Vester! Let me also pull up this really great tutorial on schemas written by another member... it's really good... hang on...

      EDIT: Here we go... the guide to schemas... http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/infini...reaming-46571/
      Last edited by Serenity; 08-19-2010 at 03:51 AM.

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      My blurb on the chat:

      Importance of dream journals

      Improve recall, help us to recognize dream signs and place value on dreaming

      Talked about sleep cycles and WILDs

      “universal” dream signs

      lights and machinery not working properly - elevators
      time changes or looks weird
      reading is weird or changes
      hands look funny

      My dream signs are:
      The town in which I grew up
      My dad
      My old school friends
      Traveling
      My bike or bikes in general

      None of which have caused me to become lucid ;p

      Talked about meaning of dreams being a DS and then moved on to recall

      [19:32] <@Serenity> first off, do you ever wake up knowing you've had a dream, but you just can't pull it out of

      Yes!!!!!

      [19:33] <@Serenity> is there ever something from that that you remember? a colour or an emotion, perhaps?

      Yes!!!!!!

      write down everything you remember
      the order isn’t that important at first
      try not to move when you wake up
      work on notes as soon as possible

      DEILD vs recall - this is also something I think about
      but if my recall is generally in a good place like right now, I will usually remember both dreams regardless

      Use dream signs to help remember
      Use your waking journal or just go through the events of the previous day
      Use a sleep mask or try not to be distracted early - for me this is tough because my son wakes me up every morning by saying “wakey, wakey eggs and bakey and then I have to grab him and then I grab my dream journal and start writing. To be honest though I’m usually awake before this lying in bed trying to recall my dreams so it’s not to bad.
      If you wake up from an alarm snooze it and get into the same position
      Leave time devoted to recall every morning
      Middle of the night notes can be shorter, but not to short - can they be written over each other in the same line like mine usually are??? ;p

      Mantras before bed also help me I very deliberately tell my subconscious I will remember my dreams - I dunno why but it works
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      Assignment: Go through your dream journal and see if you can notice any reoccurring signs that are popping up. Make a list!
      Bonus marks: Find out which sign occurs the most and incorporate reality checking to the sign into your daily routine.

      These are the ones that come up regularly the only ones that I can get bonus marks on are, my dad,my bike and possibly travelling.
      The town in which I grew up
      My dad
      My old school friends
      Traveling
      My bike or bikes in general
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      Invisible assassin and police/EMT's
      by scrumpy on Today at 09:07 AM (scumpy's journey to lucidity...)
      19 Aug

      2 dreams recalled

      1) I was some sort of protector in ancient times (assassins creed universe, schemas FTW). Someone was coming to assassinate an important person P but she wasn't my daughter in the dream. We were feeling pretty smug because we were well fortified. When the assassin came he was invisible but also not solid like a wind. I knew that he was there but the DC that was me didn't (weird, not sure if this was 3rd person). I eventually caught on but pretended not to know when the assassin was close to me I pushed the wind into the wall and it materialized into red marbles that fell to the floor, they quickly started coming together and returning ti their "ethereal" form but we collected them and I put them in a jar that P was holding. Se was a bit careless and almost let the marbles fal to the ground and I had to tell her to be careful.

      2) I'm a police/EMT in hilbrow (most dangerous neighborhood in South Africa which is saying a lot) I'm knew on my job and my partner is a lady, we drive out on a call and I ask her how many call outs we get in a 8 hour shift, she say 6. We travel to the scene but on the way there is a beach and ocean next to us (false logic) I question her about Johannesburg having an ocean and we decide that we are in a tunnel with a projected ocean put there secretly by the government to keep people happy We arrive at our destination and M is bleeding from a stab wound to the shoulder 2 EMT's are already working on him we go and assist. I put my knife on his lap? and use my shirt to help stop the bleeding. We go into his garden to get water and the dream plot changes. I recognize this house because it is in a neighborhood where all the houses are the same. I have false memories of all the people that live in the neighborhood that I know. We go to another house and I have memories or did dream at some point that I was doing webcam chats with the people who lived here, 1 of them was Caucophony? from DV. The chats were sort of voyeuristic in nature they had set up cameras for other people to watch them live there (I had been watching the DV dream tube videos earlier in the day and there's one there by Caucophony). At the house one of us went into a basement thing that had a large machine and tried to operate it but got like sucked in in a conveyer belt or something. We then contacted the owners of the house (Caucophony) who then looked at heir own webcams to tell us how to get the guy out of the machinery, the guy happened to be Walter from Fringe...


      Professional sport and an extra son
      by scrumpy on Today at 09:34 AM (scumpy's journey to lucidity...)
      20 Aug

      Recall was good last night, 4 or 5 ? dreams fairly good length and vivid

      1)I was playing inside centre for the springboks, I was really amped and planned to really hurt the other team. I wasn't scared at all which is weird since they would all easily crush me. One of the players from NZ got up and gave a message before the game, I think I did too...

      2)I stooped outside M's house and talked with hid brother T, He asked me if the bug zapper belonged to me (it was quite emotional - M is a friend of mine that died 2 months ago). C and my self were on the way home but we were walking and we were indoors, in a school or hospital with lots of corridors. I kept on turning on lights as we walked (they took time to switch on but I thought it was because they were old) We arrived at our place which was a room in a corridor, just before it was a kitchen area with plastic cups from C's holiday club and hundreds of empty green T-bags, C said it was from her doing fear factor with the kids???

      3)We had another son L's age but I had memory of having neglected him because he was funny looking (he really was) He had orange hair and a really funny chin. I felt bad and was trying to make him feel loved and accepted by giving him lots of attention. He was complaining about having a sore bum and was wearing diapers???? I got some bum cream from C's bag and took him to a bathroom in a kitchen and put the bum cream on his bum (this is only funny if you're not a parent) It didn't seem to be the right stuff but he said he felt better. Then we travelled to my childhood home in Kimberley. C had forgot the house keys in the office but when we got there the lock had been forced by a wrong key that was stuck in the lock. We say that someone else's stuff was in the house like ornaments and stuff and found like a drunk homeless lady in W old room. I got the rage thing again and then we found the daughter and her boy friend in A's old room. In the dining room there were like 20 of them, I was so angry and threaten to hurt them and told them to go, I threatened to have E beat them up and he came out of the lounge to back me up....

      4)I was lying on a sleeper couch watching cricket on tv, suddenly I'm in the game and I'm playing for South Africa. At some point I'm on the couch again and my game has been ruined by my parents messing with the channels

      5)On top of signal hill in Bloemfontein riding a bike, following a really hot lady in a silver sports car, we're together. I get stopped by guards outside the observatory. One take my license and won't give it back as a joke, I get irritated and explain to the other guard that I need to go meet this lady. He gets the license back for me. I drive around Bloem looking for this lady. At some point I drive past a apartment block with people naked and possibly having sex on some of the balconies. I seriously consider going back to go watch them but decide against it. I pop some wheelies to show off and kind of fall. I stop on the curb and CA and her mom come out of their house and so good bye to guests, CH comes up to me and asks if she can ask me a question she asks a really important question but I can't remember the answer...
      Serenity likes this.
      DILD = 4 DEILD = 1 FILD = 1
      Basic TOTM = 1 Advanced TOTM = 0
      Dreams Recalled since joining = 57


      Goals:
      Have a LD [X] Have a really clear LD [ ] Fly [ ] Fly into a black-hole [ ] See the big bang [ ] See God create light [ ] Be in an episode of Big Bang Theory [ ]

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      Nice nice!! Keep up the good work

      Yeah, if your recall is reasonably solid, it is a good time to attempt some DEILDs at that point, if it's your wish.

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