[19:08] <@Serenity> Alrighty, well, I'll get it rolling then. Thanks for coming, guys... tonight, will be Dream
journals, dream signs and recall
[19:08] <Marlowe> Hmm, where's lucky person #5?
[19:08] == stjimmy [
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[19:08] <@Serenity> jimmy!
[19:08] <Marlowe> Hahaha
[19:08] <stjimmy> Sorry I'm late
[19:08] <@Serenity> just made it
[19:08] <Marlowe> I called it
[19:08] <quorthonafull> Hi Jimmy
[19:08] <stjimmy> Hi there =)
[19:08] <Marlowe> We had a good 2 minutes left
[19:08] <stjimmy> ok, ok
[19:08] <@Serenity> Dream journals... everyone in the course should have started theirs up by now, in the workbooks
thread
[19:08] <stjimmy> I did
[19:09] <Marlowe> Indeed
[19:09] <DawgBone> Yes
[19:09] <AstralFae18> mhmm!
[19:09] <quorthonafull> yes
[19:09] <@Serenity> does anyone know why dream journals are so important?
[19:09] <Marlowe> They increase your recall?
[19:09] <@Serenity> yep
[19:09] <Marlowe> And help you recognize dream signs?
[19:09] <@Serenity> yep
[19:09] <Marlowe>
[19:09] <DawgBone> They give dreams importance
[19:10] <Marlowe> Cus you want to remember that epic fight you had last night XD
[19:10] <AstralFae18> XD!
[19:10] <@Serenity> yes, they tend to DB
[19:10] <@Serenity> and yes, Marlowe, that's why I love mine
[19:10] <@Serenity> and these all add up to one thing
[19:10] <stjimmy> Lucidty
[19:11] <@Serenity> with better recall, knowing your dream signs, and also, placing importance on dreaming, it yes,
helps improve lucidity
[19:11] <@Serenity> i know i definitely have more lucid dreams because i keep a journal
[19:11] <@Serenity> but i keep a journal because i don't want to forget them
[19:12] <@Serenity> there is another use for journals that some people do
[19:12] <@Serenity> they use it as a time keeper
[19:12] <@Serenity> so, one would write down the time they went to sleep. when they take notes for the dreams, they
note the time they wake up at
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[19:12] <stjimmy> for wilding?
[19:13] <Marlowe> YEah, I do that to learn more about my sleep cycles
[19:13] <@Serenity> you can use it to judge for WILDing, yes
[19:13] <@Serenity> learning about the sleep cycles in general
[19:13] <solomon> Hello all
[19:13] <Marlowe> Hola
[19:13] <DawgBone> Hi
[19:13] <quorthonafull> Hi
[19:13] <@Serenity> note whether it was a natural wake up (without alarms and such), because that's a great time to
do a WBTB combo
[19:13] <Marlowe> QUESTION
[19:13] <@Serenity> yes
[19:14] <Marlowe> Is there any benefit to waking up natural vs. an alarm?
[19:14] <@Serenity> i think it depends on the person
[19:14] <Marlowe> k
[19:14] <@Serenity> i find that alarms sometimes frighten me
[19:14] <@Serenity> which kills recall a little
[19:14] <Marlowe> true, true
[19:15] <quorthonafull> yes
[19:15] <@Serenity> however, a natural wake up tends to let you drift out of sleep, and begin to work on recall
naturally
[19:15] <@Serenity> which we will get to some recall techniques in a bit
[19:15] <@Serenity> but that is to say alarms aren't bad
[19:16] <@Serenity> but if there is a point during the night where you wake naturally, it means you've just come
out of REM / finished a natural sleep cycle
[19:16] <@Serenity> which is fantastic if you practice WILDs
[19:16] <Marlowe> Personally, have you ever pulled off a CAN-WILD?
[19:16] <@Serenity> nope
[19:16] <stjimmy> I always wake 3 or 4 times per night, naturally
[19:17] <stjimmy> but I always fall back asleep before I can try to WILD =(
[19:17] <@Serenity> but i have DEILD'ed and done a couple of horrible regular WILDs
[19:17] <solomon> I usually don't...but my sleep cycle right now is really irregular
[19:17] <Marlowe> haha k
[19:17] <stjimmy> I just have time to write something quick in my dj
[19:17] <@Serenity> alrighty, so moving onto dream signs
[19:17] <stjimmy> yeah, sry
[19:17] <@Serenity> there are a few "universal" dream signs to watch out for
[19:17] <@Serenity> these seem to happen in dreams for many people
[19:18] <@Serenity> these are things like lights not working
[19:18] <@Serenity> machinery doesn't operate properly
[19:18] <@Serenity> elevators are a wacky trip
[19:18] <Marlowe> Hmm, sounds fun
[19:18] <AstralFae18> XD
[19:18] <@Serenity> time tends to look weird, or it may change erratically when you look away and look back again
[19:19] <@Serenity> text may be illegible, or also change when you double-take
[19:19] <quorthonafull> I should be aware of these, my dreams tend to be too much boring and real life-ish
[19:19] <@Serenity> hands look funny
like too many fingers or not enough
[19:19] <@Serenity> or you just might not have hands at all
[19:20] <Marlowe> I'm too afriad to turn on the lights when I'm lucid because I always feel like something horrible
is behind me
[19:20] <@Serenity> i've seen my arms fade off at my wrists
[19:20] <@Serenity> you may be interested in encountering and facing off with nightmares while lucid, marlowe
[19:20] <Marlowe> Oh God...
[19:21] <@Serenity> There are also many individual dream signs, which is obviously quite personal
[19:21] <solomon> can't remember the last nightmare I had...
[19:21] <quorthonafull> You could leran more abour yourself by facing Your nightmares
[19:21] <stjimmy> yeah, lucidity during nightmares rules
[19:21] <@Serenity> for me, it's usually people, locations, sailor moon
[19:21] <stjimmy> you can finally defeat whatever is troubling you
[19:21] <@Serenity> try not to veer too off-topic guys
[19:21] <quorthonafull> ok
[19:21] <stjimmy> sry =$
[19:21] <@Serenity> it makes the chat log a little convoluted
[19:21] <Marlowe> My individual dream sign is interestingly two moons in the sky, which I created in my first lucid
dream...Is that my individual one?
[19:22] <@Serenity> it can be
[19:22] <@Serenity> dream signs are things that tend to pop up very often in dreams
[19:22] <@Serenity> you may see family members quite a bit
[19:22] <@Serenity> or if you dream about certain locations a lot
[19:22] <@Serenity> pets, people, places
[19:22] <stjimmy> old school mates too
[19:23] <DawgBone> So when you see a dream sign you should reality check?
[19:23] <@Serenity> they can literally be anything
but they are best determined if they pop up frequently
[19:23] <@Serenity> DawgBone, yes! absolutely
[19:23] <solomon> Harder done than said :/
[19:23] <@Serenity> one of the best RC's is if you have a dream sign that tends to pop up in real life
[19:23] <@Serenity> like for me, my biggest dream sign is my mother
[19:24] <@Serenity> she's in nearly every second dream, it seems
[19:24] <Marlowe> So in my case, it would be best if I did an RC everytime I see the moon, RL or Dreaming?
[19:24] <@Serenity> i also see her on a daily basis... so if i can remember to RC to her in real life, i might
remember to in the dream
[19:24] <@Serenity> which plays on that theory of day residue
[19:24] <DawgBone> Marlowe, you should do two reality checks for two moons. :-)
[19:25] <@Serenity> lol, yes, if the moon is a DS, absolutely check when you remember to see it
[19:25] <Marlowe> ok...(Looks out window)
[19:25] <quorthonafull> lol
[19:25] <@Serenity> you should actually try to back your RC's up, like do 2 or 3
[19:26] <@Serenity> because one might fail
[19:26] <Marlowe> k
[19:26] <@Serenity> i'll cover those in depth another day
[19:27] <@Serenity> dreams often tend to provide messages via metaphors or symbolism
[19:27] <@Serenity> which can be considered a dream sign
[19:27] <@Serenity> like, i dream about trains a lot
[19:27] <@Serenity> but trains, to me, are often quite bad
[19:28] <@Serenity> or... a dream sign for me is an amusement park
[19:28] <@Serenity> which could be symbolizing a desire to relax, or perhaps I'm getting too distracted lately
[19:28] <stjimmy> haha
[19:29] <@Serenity> so you might find something like a dream dictionary very useful
[19:29] *alex* har har har
[19:29] <Marlowe> Dream Dictionary?
[19:29] <@Serenity> it's a dictionary comprised of things, or symbols and it tells you what those symbols could
mean
[19:29] <AstralFae18> ohh
[19:30] <Marlowe> Site?
[19:30] <@Serenity> there are many sites
[19:30] <@Serenity> google
[19:30] <AstralFae18> i used to have one on a site i had D: i don't remember where i got it from
[19:30] <Marlowe> ahh yes, google
[19:30] <!Alex> lmgtfy?
[19:30] <!Alex>
)
[19:30] <@Serenity> i love that site
[19:30] <!Alex>
[19:30] <AstralFae18> hahaha XD
[19:30] <Marlowe>
[19:31] <@Serenity> anyways, getting back to it... recall
[19:31] <@Serenity> i know some of you are experiencing some recall draughts at the moment
[19:31] <@Serenity> it happens to the best of us
[19:31] <Marlowe> That would be me....
[19:31] <AstralFae18> me too ><
[19:31] <@Serenity> bugger, my chicken dried out
[19:32] <AstralFae18> aww! XD
[19:32] <@Serenity> the thing to remember is, don't stress over it!
[19:32] <Marlowe> lmao
[19:32] <solomon> I'm just lazy when I first wake up, so I don't write the dream down, then eventually end up
forgetting it
[19:32] <@Serenity> there are ways to bring recall back
[19:32] <Marlowe> Do Tell....
[19:32] <@Serenity> first off, do you ever wake up knowing you've had a dream, but you just can't pull it out of
your head?
[19:32] <Marlowe> Heck yea
[19:32] <AstralFae18> mhmm!
[19:33] <quorthonafull> yes, today
[19:33] <@Serenity> is there ever something from that that you remember? a colour or an emotion, perhaps?
[19:33] <@Serenity> a room?
[19:33] <@Serenity> furniture?
[19:33] <Marlowe> hmm yes, like a Heat Seeking Missile...
[19:33] <@Serenity> or even just that you know you had a dream, but you can't recall it
[19:34] <@Serenity> all these things, you should write them down, regardless
[19:34] <Marlowe> k
[19:34] <@Serenity> it's getting your mind back into the swing of things, for whatever reason it might have fallen
out
[19:34] <@Serenity> so, generally, what i do, upon waking, is i go with whatever happens to be in my head
[19:35] <quorthonafull> I lost the habit when I got the dry spell, like two weeks ago
[19:35] <@Serenity> i make note of that scene and i keep making notes of things I remember until they stop
[19:35] <@Serenity> sometimes, it's just the very last scene in the dream that i wake up with, so i can start to
recall the dream backwards
[19:35] <Marlowe> Same...
[19:35] <quorthonafull> me too
[19:36] <@Serenity> the thing to remember is... order isn't as important as getting as much notes out, first
[19:36] <@Serenity> if you freak out over the order, or "that makes no sense" or such... you'll probably start
forgetting details
[19:37] <DawgBone> Right ...
[19:37] <@Serenity> the other thing to do is to work on notes and recall as soon as possible after waking up
[19:37] <@Serenity> try to lie still for a moment
[19:37] <Marlowe> QUESTION
[19:37] <@Serenity> yes
[19:37] <Marlowe> What if you are doing a DEILD run, anything you can do for recall?
[19:37] <@Serenity> ahhhh the DEILD vs. recall question
[19:38] <Marlowe>
[19:38] <quorthonafull> eternal enemies...
[19:38] <@Serenity> well, that was a struggle for me, too
[19:38] <AstralFae18> XD
[19:38] <@Serenity> lets see... lets say your DEILD is successful
[19:38] <AstralFae18> the "XD" was at the "eternal enemies..." comment btw D: not the struggle D:
[19:38] <@Serenity> which it will be, because it's all state of mind
[19:39] <quorthonafull> lol
[19:39] <Marlowe> Right...
[19:39] <@Serenity> so, you wake up, you DEILD, bang, you're back in the dream
[19:39] <@Serenity> well, from my past experience with DEILDs, they can be rather unstable upon reentering
[19:39] <Marlowe> Right, Right...
[19:40] <@Serenity> so, you could take a few moments at the beginning of the dream to remind yourself of what you
just woke up from
[19:40] <AstralFae18> ohh
[19:40] <Marlowe> ok
[19:40] <@Serenity> i have read some people ask their subconscious for help in remembering the dream, which seems
to work for them
[19:41] <@Serenity> lets say the DEILD is unsuccessful... and you just fall back to sleep into a different dream
[19:41] <Marlowe> Uhuh...
[19:41] <@Serenity> it's a sacrifice
[19:41] <@Serenity> you may remember it in your morning recall
[19:42] <@Serenity> perhaps that dream shared a DS from another dream
[19:42] <@Serenity> and so the rememberance may trigger the rememberance of the other dream (if that makes sense)
[19:42] <stjimmy> Yeah that's happened to me
[19:42] <DawgBone> Yes
[19:42] <quorthonafull> me too
[19:42] <@Serenity> you might completely forget the dream, but you encounter something during your day and BANG,
the dream's back
[19:43] <Marlowe> Yeah Yeah, I find that when I go throughout the day, if I encounter an object that reminds me of
my dream, recal comes back
[19:43] <Marlowe> Lol you beat me to it
[19:43] <@Serenity> woot! fast typing for once
[19:43] <stjimmy> haha =)
[19:43] <@Serenity> which leads me to another recall point. use your dream signs!
[19:43] <@Serenity> so another technique that i do if i seem to be struggling with memory is, i ask myself
questions
[19:44] <@Serenity> was it sailor moon related?
[19:44] <@Serenity> was my mum there?
[19:44] <Marlowe> lol
[19:44] <@Serenity> was my pet there?
[19:44] <@Serenity> i remember a colour, was it a car (because my DS might include cars)
[19:44] <@Serenity> you dig?
[19:44] <@Serenity> (i can;t believe i just used that
)
[19:44] <quorthonafull> yes
[19:44] <DawgBone> Yep
[19:44] <Marlowe> Yea I dig
[19:45] <stjimmy> haha =) me 2
[19:45] <AstralFae18> hahaha XD the nineties!
[19:45] <@Serenity> so start going through a list of your common dream signs and see if it sparks a memory for you
[19:46] <quorthonafull> was my computer turned on, with pr0n in the download list? (that happened to me the other
night)
[19:46] <@Serenity> perhaps there is something bothering you in waking life at the moment (ex school or work). ask
yourself if you might have dreamed about that\
[19:46] <@Serenity> review your waking journal, if you keep one
[19:46] <Marlowe> Would you recommend keeping a waking journal?
[19:46] <@Serenity> absolutely
[19:46] <@Serenity> there's no harm in one
[19:47] <@Serenity> if it does nothing else other than help you sort out your thoughts from the day
[19:47] <Marlowe> Saves your brain the effort eh
[19:47] <@Serenity> i like it for the fact that i can say, "I'm writing my issues here, so I can focus on
dreaming."
[19:47] <@Serenity> cos for me, i'd prefer not to dream about work, hehe
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[19:48] <@Serenity> hey link
[19:48] <Linkster17> sorry im late again and hey
[19:48] <quorthonafull> Hi link
[19:48] <@Serenity> another tip that helped me
[19:48] <@Serenity> i use a sleep mask
[19:48] <@Serenity> i found that light tends to kill my recall
[19:48] <@Serenity> it wakes me up too much, too soon
[19:49] <@Serenity> a great recall killer is to start thinking about your day
[19:49] <@Serenity> or TV shows, or ANYTHING that isn't your dream you just had
[19:49] <@Serenity> so if you can minimize your distractions, a sleep mask is really, really great for that
[19:50] <AstralFae18> ah i'm a little addicted to my sleep mask considering i do all my sleeping in the day time XD
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[19:50] <@Serenity> also, if you HAVE to get up to turn off an alarm, snooze it, return to your bed, and get into
the last position you just woke up from
[19:50] <nobodycares> Dang I missed it!
[19:50] <nobodycares> ugh
[19:50] <@Serenity> still kinda going
[19:50] <quorthonafull> Nobody cares (?)
[19:51] <@Serenity> sometimes, it can trigger recall to return to your last sleeping position
[19:51] <@Serenity> it's really important that if you want to start raising your recall, to leave yourself a good
10-15 minutes every morning devoted to it
[19:51] <Marlowe> k
[19:51] <nobodycares> Serenity do you ever meditate? Today I was meditating and went into Alpha Brain wave levels.
I was very relaxed for about an hour (time flew by) and when I woke up I had memories of a dream, even though I
don't think I ever entered one.
[19:52] <@Serenity> i'll answer that in a momeny
[19:52] <nobodycares> It was if I had consciousness the entire time but never left to go off in the dream world
[19:52] <nobodycares> ok
[19:52] <@Serenity> moment*
[19:52] <Linkster17> dont worry nobodycares, i just showed up around 5 imnutes ago
[19:52] <Linkster17> *minutes
[19:52] <@Serenity> for the middle of the night, recall can be a bit different
[19:53] <@Serenity> only dependant on how slow or fast you wake up
[19:53] <@Serenity> and how good of a note-taker you are
[19:53] <@Serenity> for me, my mid-night notes tend to be a line, or a short blurb on each scene
[19:53] <@Serenity> i generally leave the full write up for the mornig
[19:53] <@Serenity> morning*
[19:53] <Marlowe> Word, I'm to sleepy to write down a lot at sight
[19:54] <Marlowe> *night
[19:54] <@Serenity> don't write too little, that you can't trigger any memory about the dream, but you don't have
to write a novel on it, either
[19:54] <Marlowe> Maybe just notes about major parts of the dream?
[19:54] <@Serenity> however, there's something to be said about those phantom middle of the night notes
[19:55] <quorthonafull> I write some lines, but then I can only read a few words
[19:55] <@Serenity> like, i woke up once and found "obviously he thought my portals were worth something."
[19:55] <DawgBone> Ha
[19:55] <@Serenity> i have NO IDEA what that dream was about, now
[19:55] <Marlowe> THats vague haha
[19:55] <quorthonafull> lol
[19:55] <AstralFae18> hahaha XD
[19:55] <@Serenity> i didn't even remember writing the note when i woke up
[19:56] <Linkster17> lol
[19:56] <@Serenity> i have to admit, the random midnight notes are amusing
[19:56] <@Serenity> but i try not to do them
[19:56] <Marlowe> Bad Habits are so much fun huh?
[19:56] <@Serenity> i'm just saying, you may experience them from time to time
[19:57] <@Serenity> keep them... write them as part as your full write up
[19:58] <@Serenity> that's actually about all i have for today... i'll stick around for questions. don't forget
assignment 2
[19:58] <Marlowe> Aight
[19:58] <@Serenity> if you like, start highlighting your dream signs in your journals
[19:58] <stjimmy> Thanks, Serenity
[19:58] <Marlowe> Do you have a Dream Guide Serenity?
[19:58] <@Serenity> ALSO... DV's dream blogs have a tagging feature
[19:58] <@Serenity> and the tags are excellent for dream sign management
[19:59] <@Serenity> (shameless promotion)
Left this in, because I thought it worth mentioning
[20:38] <@Serenity> i sometimes use mantras to help me with recall'
[20:38] <@Serenity> i just repeat that when i wake up, i will easily recall my dreams
[20:39] <@Serenity> seems to help
[20:39] <Linkster17> cool
[20:40] <nobodycares> I noticed mantras work if you really focus.
[20:40] <@Serenity> gonna grab this chat log monster
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