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06-03-2010 10:04 PM #1
DILD Course Log (Wendnesday 10pm PT -8:00)
Here are where the DILD Course Logs for this class are being held.
Last edited by louie54; 06-10-2010 at 05:38 PM.
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06-10-2010 05:36 PM #2Spoiler for DILD 1:
Last edited by louie54; 06-10-2010 at 05:42 PM.
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06-10-2010 05:42 PM #3
Here is the CHAT logs for class 2 per request by louie
Spoiler for chat log 2:[22:10] <@louie54> Hey Ice
[22:10] <Ice> Hi
[22:10] <zebrah> I asked him why he belived in cgod and he couldnt answer so he cried
[22:10] <@Serenity> religious brainwashings scare the fuck out of me =/
[22:10] <zebrah> yup
[22:10] <zebrah> me to
[22:10] <Kael^Seoras> he cried
[22:10] <zebrah> yup
[22:10] <PercyLucid> I once prayed in a lucid
[22:10] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:10] <Kael^Seoras> couldn't even say 'cause of faith or something?
[22:10] <PercyLucid> but
[22:10] <PercyLucid> just for the reason
[22:10] <zebrah> yup
[22:10] <Kael^Seoras> lol
[22:10] <@louie54> I still want to meditate in a lucid
[22:10] <PercyLucid> that I saw a user
[22:10] <@Serenity> or just... "because"
[22:10] <zebrah> he froze p and cried
[22:10] <PercyLucid> called Big and something else
[22:10] <Kael^Seoras> brb
[22:10] <zebrah> and retreated into his house to pray
[22:10] <PercyLucid> that wanted to pray in his lucid
[22:11] <PercyLucid> as his goal
[22:11] <PercyLucid> and I remembered his goal in my lucid and completed it
[22:11] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:11] <@louie54> Ok about that time
[22:11] <zebrah> lol
[22:11] <@Serenity> BigFan?
[22:11] <@louie54> But lets wait for Kael
[22:11] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:11] <PercyLucid> would that prayer count?
[22:11] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:11] <zebrah> yes
[22:11] <zebrah> prayer imo is a form of meditation
[22:11] <PercyLucid> but it was within a lucid
[22:12] <PercyLucid> was a dream player
[22:12] <PercyLucid> however
[22:12] <@louie54> I was about to meditate in a dream the other day but I got distratced by something else
[22:12] <PercyLucid> as concious as you are within a lucid
[22:12] <zebrah> I always liked praying, the feeling I got. Then I learned I get that same feeling from meditiation so I realised I never felt god
[22:12] <zebrah> lol
[22:12] <PercyLucid> I want to
[22:12] <zebrah> my ex-friend is literaly going to become a preist now
[22:12] <zebrah> after this
[22:12] <PercyLucid> do an AP from a lucid dream
[22:13] <PercyLucid> it said is easier
[22:13] <@louie54> Dire joined main DV
[22:13] <PercyLucid> and the processes smoother
[22:13] <zebrah> ok
[22:13] <@louie54> Should be here in about a min
[22:13] <@louie54> If he doesnt mess up
[22:13] <zebrah> dire is cool
[22:13] <zebrah> he ping times out a lot
[22:13] <zebrah> If you guys could time travel to any concert which would it be
[22:14] <@Serenity> omfg i'm hungry... and i have no food left at work
[22:14] <@louie54> Concert? Time travel?
[22:14] <PercyLucid> Metallica
[22:14] <zebrah> mine would be symphony and metallica with the sanfrancisco orchestra
[22:14] <PercyLucid>
[22:14] <@louie54> I got chips
[22:14] <zebrah> which metallica?
[22:14] <@Serenity> oh concert... which one... some beatles one, but which?
[22:14] <@Serenity> so many
[22:14] <PercyLucid> the group
[22:14] <zebrah> lol
[22:14] <PercyLucid> Metallica
[22:14] <@louie54> I been to only one concert really
[22:14] <@Serenity> one of their cavern club shows!!
[22:14] <zebrah> no which concert
[22:14] <PercyLucid> there is a group called Metallica
[22:14] <zebrah> yeah
[22:14] <PercyLucid> oh
[22:14] <zebrah> I am listening to them now
[22:14] <PercyLucid> 2nd disk
[22:14] <@louie54> I think i would go forward in time to see Linkin Parks new album
[22:14] <zebrah> whereever I may roam
[22:14] <zebrah> lol nice
[22:14] <PercyLucid> Blood Moon
[22:14] <zebrah> sweet
[22:14] <@Serenity> i would time travel to a beatles cavern club concert
[22:14] <zebrah> I would go to S&M
[22:15] <zebrah> nice seren
[22:15] <zebrah> then my screams would forever be in that album
[22:15] <zebrah>
[22:15] <@Serenity> i'd hit on paul mccartney before he became all famous-like
[22:15] <zebrah> lol
[22:15] <@Serenity> and accessible :O
[22:15] <zebrah> nice
[22:15] <@louie54> I guess I would go back to see Korn
[22:15] <zebrah> oooh
[22:15] <PercyLucid> nice
[22:15] <@louie54> Because of the moshing
[22:16] <zebrah> I am going to see corn this tour I think
[22:16] <@louie54> They actually playing this week here I think
[22:16] <zebrah> Do you follow them on facey B louie
[22:16] <@louie54> But I don't got tickets
[22:16] <zebrah> lame
[22:16] <@louie54> Nah, I don't have facey
[22:16] <zebrah> lol
[22:16] <PercyLucid> KoЯn is nice
[22:16] <@Serenity> i'm seeing RINGO STARR in july!! for realz. so fucking stoked
[22:16] <zebrah> enter their contest
[22:16] <zebrah> nice seren
[22:16] <zebrah> you can win a guitar
[22:17] <@louie54> I went there a couple of years agio in 2007
[22:17] <zebrah> if you send them a pic of you at age 3
[22:17] <zebrah> dude I really want to see them
[22:17] <@louie54> Alot of skinheads for some reason
[22:17] <zebrah> I saw tallica last december
[22:17] <zebrah> lol
[22:17] <zebrah> omg time to start lol
[22:17] <zebrah> we will discuss music later
[22:17] <@louie54> True Z
[22:17] <PercyLucid> yeah
[22:17] <@louie54> I don't know what going on with Dire
[22:17] <zebrah> oh and louie check out zrockfm.com its a local rock station where I live
[22:17] <PercyLucid> let's get started
[22:17] <@louie54> He's here but in other chat
[22:18] <@louie54> Alright
[22:18] <zebrah> he lags out a lot louie
[22:18] <PercyLucid> there are always logs
[22:18] <zebrah> yup
[22:18] <zebrah> he knows how to get in
[22:18] <@louie54> Ok
[22:18] <@louie54> *Ahem*
[22:18] <zebrah> hes joined like 3 times
[22:18] <zebrah> ok
[22:18] <@louie54> Welcome to the DVA DILD Course
[22:18] <zebrah> hi
[22:18] <@louie54> This is our second session
[22:18] <@louie54> My name is louie, how's everyone doing?
[22:18] <@louie54> Any questions?
[22:18] <zebrah> quite well thank you very much
[22:18] <PercyLucid> good
[22:19] <zebrah> none here
[22:19] <PercyLucid> nope
[22:19] <@louie54> We covered a lot last time I checked
[22:19] <zebrah> o BTW louie its easier to find questions if we start the post like this {QUESTION}
[22:19] <@louie54> We talked about Dream Signs, Dream Recall/Journaling,
[22:19] <@louie54> ok
[22:20] <@louie54> {QUESTION} Show of hands, anyone have any good dreams lately?
[22:20] <PercyLucid> yes
[22:20] <@louie54> Since our last meeting
[22:20] <PercyLucid> I completed the Task of the Month on the second
[22:20] <zebrah> Yeah one short lucid but lots of dream fragments lately
[22:20] <@louie54> Would you like to chare
[22:20] <@louie54> share*
[22:20] <Ice> Had one LD this sweek but kind of weak
[22:20] <PercyLucid> sure
[22:20] <@Serenity> ummm... I had a DEILD
[22:20] <@Serenity> it was also rather weak
[22:20] <@Serenity> i forgot to stabilize
[22:20] <PercyLucid> I also had a DEILD
[22:21] <PercyLucid> but it was very weak
[22:21] <@louie54> Hey, you got a lucid
[22:21] <zebrah> My LD was at then end of a dream where a girl was about to kiss me and I said I know your not real
[22:21] <@louie54> Good or weak, it was something
[22:21] <@louie54> Progress
[22:21] <PercyLucid> one DEILD, one MILD (ToTM) and one DILD (dream sex)
[22:21] <zebrah> lol percy
[22:21] <PercyLucid> and I have a wife
[22:21] == Dire [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[22:21] <PercyLucid> I turned lucid
[22:21] <zebrah> rofl
[22:21] <@louie54> Welcome Dire
[22:21] <@Serenity> my problem with DEILDs is... i'm great at chaining and crap at remembering the lucidity part, lol
[22:21] <zebrah> not getting it enough?
[22:21] <PercyLucid> because I was having sex with other than my wife
[22:21] <@louie54> You didn't miss much, actually just started
[22:22] <@louie54> I think thats a good sign Percy
[22:22] <@louie54>
[22:22] <zebrah> lol
[22:22] <PercyLucid> yeah lol
[22:22] <zebrah> percy is she not giving it to you
[22:22] <@louie54> Have you had any lucids Dire?
[22:22] <PercyLucid> she does
[22:22] <zebrah> lol
[22:22] <@louie54> Anything you like to sharee?
[22:22] <Ice> mine was really plant-ILD... not DILD...
[22:22] <zebrah> lol ice
[22:22] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:22] <@louie54> Explain, Ice?
[22:23] <zebrah> weed louie
[22:23] <PercyLucid> drugs
[22:23] <zebrah> i think
[22:23] <PercyLucid> xD
[22:23] <@louie54> Oh.....
[22:23] <@louie54> I see lol
[22:23] <zebrah> lol
[22:23] <Dire> only a handful, but I haven't been trying for super long. My trouble seems to be in holding on to dreams after becoming lucid
[22:23] <zebrah> brb blow my nose
[22:23] <Ice> true) bought Calea zacatechichi and tried it first time and it worked
[22:23] <@louie54> Yeah apparantly, weed can hinder your dream recall
[22:23] <@louie54> I haven't done weed myself, but based on the posts I've seen, I wouldn't recommend it
[22:24] <zebrah> short term memory loss can be a side effect
[22:24] <zebrah> what is that ice?
[22:24] <PercyLucid> let's keep on topic
[22:24] <Ice> some african grass. you can google it
[22:24] <zebrah> ok
[22:24] <PercyLucid> he can give a plant class later if you guys like
[22:24] <zebrah> thanks and yes
[22:24] <PercyLucid>
[22:24] <zebrah> lol
[22:24] <Ice> yes that is another topic)
[22:24] <zebrah> I dont smoke weed
[22:24] <Kael^Seoras> ok, I'm present and caught up XD
[22:24] <@louie54> Ok good
[22:24] <@louie54> Sorry Kael
[22:24] <@louie54> Was getting late
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras> s'all good
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras> no need to wait
[22:25] <@louie54> OK good
[22:25] <@louie54> So have we all read the DILD Tutorial?
[22:25] <zebrah> yes
[22:25] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:25] <Dire> yep
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras> no
[22:25] <Ice> yes
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras> I need the link
[22:25] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:25] <@Serenity> yes
[22:25] <@louie54> Ok hold
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras> lol
[22:25] <zebrah> lol kael is the odd one out
[22:25] <Kael^Seoras>
[22:26] <@louie54> http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=65032
[22:26] <zebrah> Percy do you ever go to the arco arena
[22:26] <zebrah> sorry on topic
[22:26] <zebrah> nvm
[22:26] <Kael^Seoras> thanks
[22:26] <@Serenity> i tackled all of the tutorials when i first joined DV
[22:26] <@louie54> Ok so last time, I told you all that I would explain what I think is the most effective way of attaining lucidity
[22:26] <zebrah> yes
[22:26] <@louie54> For me atleast
[22:26] <PercyLucid> nope
[22:26] <zebrah> WBTB?
[22:26] <@louie54> You got it
[22:26] <zebrah>
[22:26] <zebrah> I know you to well
[22:27] <zebrah> (he adopted me a while back)
[22:27] <@louie54> Yeah
[22:27] <Kael^Seoras> wake back to bed
[22:27] <@louie54> I taught it to all my adoptees
[22:27] <Kael^Seoras> I was trying that about a year ago
[22:27] <Kael^Seoras> i conflicts a bit with school lol
[22:27] <@louie54> Have you had luck?
[22:27] <zebrah> I always just non lucid when I WBTB
[22:27] <zebrah> i conflicts a bit with school lol <-- yes
[22:27] <@louie54> Show of hands, how many of you attempted WBTB?
[22:27] <Kael^Seoras> I think it helped make my dreams much more vivid
[22:27] <PercyLucid> I triggered lucids with "WBTB"
[22:27] <zebrah> *shows hand*
[22:27] <Kael^Seoras> the semi-lucids I had were WBTBs
[22:28] <@Serenity> so, what do you do during your WBTB, louie?
[22:28] <PercyLucid> I use "" cuz I do not spend more than 5 mins awake
[22:28] <PercyLucid> or I might if I have dreams to write down
[22:28] <@Serenity> *hand*
[22:28] <@louie54> Ice?
[22:28] <@louie54> Well
[22:28] <@louie54> Hold on as I type it out
[22:28] <Dire> *hand*
[22:28] <zebrah> percy I create a mental map of the dream by associating deep keywords and then going back to sleep
[22:28] <zebrah> like if the dream was about sex then I remmber sex
[22:29] <zebrah> and It all floods back
[22:29] <@louie54> So sometimes I got up early to go take my girlfriend to school but I would have enough time to go back to sleep for about an hour
[22:29] <@louie54> I'm sure you all know that it means wake back to bed because it literally means that
[22:29] <Ice> did not try that WBTB
[22:29] <PercyLucid> then I tried one
[22:29] <PercyLucid> and I succeeded
[22:29] <zebrah> I have about 5 times
[22:29] <@louie54> It can be applied to WILD also
[22:29] <PercyLucid> drove my wife to work, 1 hour awake and wbtc
[22:30] <Kael^Seoras> isn't WBTB the most effective way to WILD
[22:30] <@louie54> So what is the best way to do this, you wonder?
[22:30] <Kael^Seoras> rather than trying to do it when you first go to bed?
[22:30] <@louie54> You can do it both ways, but it is recommended to do it during WILD
[22:30] <Kael^Seoras> early in the morning, right?
[22:30] <@louie54> Becaus edoing it while first going to sleep is too hard
[22:30] <@louie54> Anyway
[22:31] <@louie54> Here's how you all should be doing it
[22:31] <@louie54> Ready?
[22:31] <Kael^Seoras> yea
[22:31] <Dire> yeah
[22:31] <PercyLucid> go ahead
[22:31] <zebrah> yes
[22:31] <@louie54> OK!
[22:31] <@Serenity> yarp
[22:31] <@louie54> ahh
[22:32] <@louie54> Lost it
[22:32] <@louie54> Hold on
[22:32] <zebrah> damn lol
[22:32] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:32] <zebrah> is it in my PM?
[22:32] <Dire> bummer
[22:32] <@louie54> Yes
[22:32] <PercyLucid> that info must be in your brain
[22:32] <PercyLucid> lol
[22:32] <zebrah> want me to get it
[22:32] <@louie54> Yeah because I practiced often
[22:32] <@louie54> That would be good
[22:32] <zebrah> sec
[22:32] <@louie54> While you do that, I'll start
[22:33] <@louie54> You need an alarm and probably something to record your dreams like your dream journal
[22:33] <@louie54> If you use a computer, then just use a pen and a paper
[22:33] <zebrah> want me to post it right now louie
[22:33] <@louie54> Ok but little by little
[22:33] <PercyLucid> mmmm
[22:33] <@louie54> Remember
[22:33] <PercyLucid> teacher teacher hands up!
[22:33] <zebrah> tell me when to start
[22:33] <@louie54> This is all me, what Z is posting
[22:33] <zebrah> yeah
[22:33] <@louie54> Percy, go
[22:34] <PercyLucid> how about if you wake up naturally?
[22:34] <PercyLucid> alarm clocks hurts recall dramatically to many people
[22:34] <PercyLucid> plus wifes/husbands that sleep with you
[22:34] <@louie54> If you can do that about an hour and a half to 2 hours in advance to your usual wake up time and have the motivation to do that technique
[22:34] <@louie54> Then that would be great
[22:35] <PercyLucid> yeah
[22:35] <PercyLucid> if I go to bed
[22:35] <PercyLucid> around 11 pm
[22:35] <PercyLucid> I always wake up around 2-3 am
[22:35] <zebrah> louie by bit by bit do you mean all at once in different posts
[22:35] <PercyLucid> write down dreams, go to the bathroom, drink water and go back to bed
[22:35] <PercyLucid> is it enough?
[22:35] <@louie54> Like maybe copy and paste a few sentences at a time instead of a huge paragraph for the class
[22:35] <@louie54> Well
[22:35] <zebrah> ok
[22:35] <@Serenity> if i do more than that, percy, i'm too awake
[22:35] <@louie54> I'll have Z tell ya hold
[22:36] <zebrah> Ok here we go... I perform a WBTB.
[22:36] <zebrah> First, I set my alarm for about an hour or 2 before I officially wake up for the day. I stay awake for about 15-20 minutes.
[22:36] <zebrah> During this time, I constantly ask myself if I'm dreaming and perform reality checks. I also think about what my goals are. For example, if I want to fly, I envision myself flying and what I want to do while I'm lucid.
[22:36] <zebrah> I also read through some of my favorite journal entrees. I go over some of my good lucids and remember how good it felt to be lucid.
[22:36] <zebrah> So basically, during the time I'm awake, I pretty much cram my mind with lucid dreaming so that way I'm bound to have one. It actually gives me around a 50/50 shot of success.
[22:36] <zebrah> Goals I feel are important because it gives you motivation. Do you have any goals? For now, it should be kept simple like flying. Then later once you are comfortable with attaining lucids, you can focus on bigger things.
[22:36] <zebrah> ^straight from the horses mouth
[22:37] <@louie54> Lol
[22:37] <zebrah> lol
[22:37] <Kael^Seoras> is meeting specific people a simple goal or would that be best put off?
[22:37] <@louie54> And Serenity
[22:37] <@Serenity> yarp?
[22:37] <Kael^Seoras> I'm not talkign dream sharing
[22:37] <@louie54> If you feel too awake to go back to sleep, WBTB may not be for you
[22:37] <Kael^Seoras> just having the mind come up with dream characters that are specific people
[22:37] <@louie54> Or you can attempt WILD
[22:38] <@Serenity> that's why I've been trying to DEILD instead
[22:38] <zebrah> Kael i think thats basic enough
[22:38] <Kael^Seoras> ok
[22:38] <zebrah> I can do that quite easily
[22:38] <@Serenity> i do get DILDs every once in a while
[22:38] <@louie54> Kael, I would create a goal of something you would really like to do during a lucid, something to really motivate you
[22:38] <@louie54> But whatever works is good
[22:38] <Kael^Seoras> what's DEILD
[22:38] <@louie54> For you
[22:38] <@Serenity> dream-exit induced lucid dream
[22:38] <zebrah> to be honest with you everything in a lucid dream is easy it's your own imposed limitations that hold your mind back
[22:38] <@louie54> Dream Exit Lucid Initiated Dream
[22:38] <PercyLucid> Dream Exit Induced LD
[22:38] <@louie54> Woops
[22:38] <PercyLucid> there is a guide too Kael^Seoras
[22:38] <PercyLucid> would take ages to explain
[22:39] <@louie54> DEILD is a form of WILD, which I ain't teaching
[22:39] <PercyLucid> but to be brief, waking up, not moving, not even opening your eyes, recalling last dream and slipering into it
[22:39] <Kael^Seoras> ok
[22:39] <PercyLucid> is basically an instant WILD
[22:39] <Kael^Seoras> oh right
[22:39] <@louie54> Any questions on WBTB?
[22:39] <Kael^Seoras> I do that unintentionally occasionally, sort of
[22:39] <Kael^Seoras> only not lucid lol
[22:39] <PercyLucid> nope
[22:39] <zebrah> yes
[22:39] <Kael^Seoras> nope
[22:39] <zebrah> wait never mind
[22:39] <zebrah> I answered my own question
[22:40] <@louie54> I suggest, you all try it
[22:40] <zebrah> I like the idea of WBTB
[22:40] <@louie54> I've gotten some pretty good lucids
[22:40] <zebrah> But i had forgotten a part of your tutorial louie
[22:40] <zebrah> I think ill do better now
[22:40] <@louie54> Alright
[22:40] <zebrah> in a dream count would you count WBTB as a WILD louie
[22:40] <Kael^Seoras> I have a question about the DILD tutorial, if now's a good time for that
[22:40] <zebrah> yeah
[22:40] <@louie54> What do you mean?
[22:40] <zebrah> never mind
[22:40] <@Serenity> I will catch up on the chat logs tomorrow night, but I have to go now
[22:41] <@louie54> Go ahead Kael
[22:41] <zebrah> I answered myself again
[22:41] <zebrah> by seren
[22:41] <@louie54> See yeah Serenity
[22:41] <@Serenity> ./waves
[22:41] <Kael^Seoras> it says a clear mind is important
[22:41] <Kael^Seoras> "A mind bogged down by outside interests and random thoughts can focus that much less thought on lucid dreaming."
[22:41] <PercyLucid> ok Serenity
[22:41] <PercyLucid> see you then
[22:41] <Kael^Seoras> if I listen to music as I fall asleep
[22:41] <Kael^Seoras> is that detrimental?
[22:41] <zebrah> depends on how you listen to music
[22:41] <@louie54> Ok hold on
[22:41] <zebrah> IMO
[22:41] <zebrah> kael are you a muscian?
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[22:42] <Kael^Seoras> like how much I focus on it?
[22:42] <Kael^Seoras> yup
[22:42] <Kael^Seoras> studying it in college
[22:42] <zebrah> what do you do?
[22:42] <Kael^Seoras> I play trumpet
[22:42] <zebrah> ok
[22:42] <zebrah> I would say yes dont listen to music
[22:42] <@louie54> Not keeping a clear mind, won't not give you a lucid, it may just make it harder
[22:42] <zebrah> because I assume you can recognize what notes are being played by ear?
[22:42] <Kael^Seoras> sometimes
[22:42] <zebrah> yeah
[22:43] <Kael^Seoras> I don't ahve perfet pitch
[22:43] <zebrah> your sub c will become ocupied with that
[22:43] <Kael^Seoras> my relative pitch isn't too bad
[22:43] <zebrah> neither do I
[22:43] <zebrah> lol
[22:43] <@louie54> Which reminds me
[22:43] <Kael^Seoras> lol
[22:43] <zebrah> sorry kouie
[22:43] <@louie54> It may not be part of DILD
[22:43] <zebrah> louie*
[22:43] <Kael^Seoras> I get it
[22:43] <zebrah> k
[22:43] <Kael^Seoras> subconciously thinking about the chords and intervals and stuff
[22:43] <@louie54> But if you haven't checked it out, I wrote a tutorial with a link in my signature
[22:43] <zebrah> yup kael
[22:43] <zebrah> I cant listen to most music beacuse of that
[22:44] <@louie54> It's actually not so much of a tutorial as it is a little article
[22:44] <zebrah> on why you dont know your dreaming?
[22:44] <Kael^Seoras> it has helped with dream vividity I think
[22:44] <@louie54> Yeah
[22:44] <zebrah> yeah
[22:44] <@louie54> That's extra credit
[22:44] <zebrah> but I never get lucid after listening to music
[22:44] <@louie54>
[22:44] <Kael^Seoras> ok
[22:44] <zebrah> but your an individual so you might differ
[22:44] <Kael^Seoras> *shrugs* maybe
[22:44] <zebrah> yeah
[22:44] <Kael^Seoras> I'll have to see what happens
[22:44] <zebrah> I loved that article louie
[22:45] <zebrah> yup
[22:45] <Kael^Seoras> I'll be specific on what I do
[22:45] <Dire> is that the article on the DLPFC?
[22:45] <Kael^Seoras> I dont' ahve music playign all through the night
[22:45] <@louie54> Yes
[22:45] <Kael^Seoras> just for about an hour or so as I fall asleep
[22:45] <zebrah> I find it over stimulats me kael
[22:45] <zebrah> even if I do that
[22:45] <@louie54> Ok
[22:45] <Kael^Seoras> ok
[22:45] <Kael^Seoras> thanks for the advice
[22:45] <zebrah> yup
[22:46] <@louie54> So some random facts about DILD
[22:46] <@louie54> Just for information maybe to use on the forum
[22:46] <@louie54> DILD is the oldest known method of attaining lucid dreaming
[22:46] <@louie54> It is also the most random
[22:47] <PercyLucid> (when you are done I want to add something, I think it would help a lot of people)
[22:47] <zebrah> I think you did this last time louie
[22:47] <@louie54> Yet it is the most common way
[22:47] <@louie54> I think I forgot one though
[22:47] <zebrah> k
[22:47] <@louie54> Yes Percy?
[22:47] <PercyLucid> I discovered something that I am sure it will help for lucids
[22:47] <PercyLucid> DILD
[22:47] <PercyLucid> and its
[22:48] <PercyLucid> My room gets a lot of light and it screws me any DEILD or to even concentrate for WILDs, so I purchased this
[22:48] <PercyLucid> http://www.amazon.com/Hearos-Deep-Sl.../dp/B000V9NJ6C
[22:48] <PercyLucid> it's $12
[22:48] <PercyLucid> I use the glasses and they are awesome
[22:48] <PercyLucid> and
[22:48] <PercyLucid> my point is
[22:48] <PercyLucid> you can look straight to the sun that you wont see light
[22:48] <PercyLucid> so I though about a mantra to repeat
[22:48] <PercyLucid> before going to bed and during the entire day
[22:49] <PercyLucid> "Next time I see other than darkness, I will do a RC"
[22:49] <PercyLucid> as you will see light during the whole day
[22:49] <PercyLucid> you will be forced to RC
[22:49] <PercyLucid> which was touched last class
[22:49] <PercyLucid> then
[22:49] <PercyLucid> you will go to sleep
[22:49] <PercyLucid> see nothing (and I mean nothing) with the glasses
[22:49] <PercyLucid> once you are in a dream, you will see again with your dream eyes
[22:50] <PercyLucid> I got this glasses three days ago and did not have time for that mantra, too busy
[22:50] <PercyLucid> but I think is a great idea
[22:50] <@louie54> Hmm sounds interesting
[22:50] <@louie54> Reminds me of EILD
[22:50] <@louie54> Almost
[22:50] <PercyLucid> well
[22:50] <PercyLucid> is not an electric device
[22:51] <PercyLucid> is just cotton'
[22:51] <PercyLucid> haha
[22:51] <@louie54> It can also mean external
[22:51] <Dire> kinda seems like a form of MILD to me
[22:51] <@louie54> Which can give DILDs
[22:51] <PercyLucid> well
[22:51] <PercyLucid> I think is more of a challenge to reality
[22:51] <PercyLucid> like a regular RC
[22:51] <PercyLucid> I will attempt this during the following days and report back
[22:51] <@louie54> If you doreality checks a lot during the day
[22:52] <zebrah> brb piss
[22:52] <@louie54> Just be sure to not do it mindlessly
[22:52] <@louie54> Ok
[22:52] <@louie54> And I would like to hear about it Percy
[22:52] <PercyLucid> yeah, I know
[22:52] <PercyLucid> I always look around and check every single item
[22:52] <PercyLucid> if its "OK" or not
[22:52] <PercyLucid> and I check
[22:52] <PercyLucid> like
[22:53] <PercyLucid> "OK. The trees are green, roots on the ground, regular trunk"
[22:53] <@louie54> That's good too
[22:53] <PercyLucid> "cars are over their wheels, regular cars"
[22:53] <PercyLucid> etc
[22:53] <PercyLucid> starting with my hands
[22:53] <@louie54> Or look around your room and make sure everything is in order
[22:53] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:53] <@louie54> I caught myself dreaming when I realized my bed was on the wrong side of my room
[22:54] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:54] <PercyLucid> and a poster on my main door
[22:54] <@louie54> Have you guys heard of Subliminal Messages for lucid dreaming?
[22:54] <PercyLucid> on the May's ToTM lucid I had
[22:54] <@louie54> G on
[22:54] <PercyLucid> yes
[22:54] <@louie54> Go* on
[22:54] <Dire> yeah
[22:54] <PercyLucid> ninja has some on the site
[22:54] <PercyLucid> I am actually hearing them
[22:54] <zebrah> [QUESTION} Louie are you more likely to have a DILD if you have done a lot of physical labor throught the day?
[22:54] <PercyLucid> but no effect
[22:54] <PercyLucid> hahaha
[22:54] <PercyLucid> I'm hard to hypnotice
[22:54] <@louie54> Good question, Z
[22:55] <zebrah> I have louie
[22:55] <PercyLucid> I love the music though and I will keep hearing them, but I rely more on my MILDs
[22:55] <@louie54> It turns out, you sleep better in general if you have had some physical labor throughout the day
[22:55] <zebrah> does that increase or decrease DILD chance do you think?
[22:55] <@louie54> REM-sleep is the sleep you need to get the energy feeling back
[22:55] <@louie54> I'll get to that
[22:55] <zebrah> ok
[22:56] <@louie54> So once you go through labor, your chances of having REM rebound go up
[22:56] <@louie54> Which means, you are likely to have
[22:56] <@louie54> More vivid dreams
[22:56] <zebrah> lol not through labor louie
[22:56] <PercyLucid> {QUESTION} How about having a light dinner? Like fruit and veggies instead of a regular dinner meal?
[22:56] <@louie54> I don't mean that dude
[22:56] <zebrah> K soz
[22:57] <@louie54> More vivid dreams, can help you recognize if you are dreaming, that is if you happen to be aware enough
[22:57] <zebrah> Thats interesting louie. I have been quite aware today so I think my chances are high
[22:57] <@louie54> Another good question Percy
[22:57] <@louie54> Ok I don't know too much about eating
[22:57] <@louie54> To be honest
[22:57] <zebrah> well I know a bit
[22:57] <@louie54> But if it's food that has some vitamin B in it
[22:57] <zebrah> if I can share
[22:57] <@louie54> Like B6
[22:58] <PercyLucid> increases recall
[22:58] <@louie54> Bananas, ect
[22:58] <@louie54> Yes
[22:58] <@louie54> But it also has given, me anyway, more vivid dreams
[22:58] <@louie54> You following Ice?
[22:58] <@louie54> Go ahead Z
[22:58] <Ice> yep
[22:58] <zebrah> If you eat a light meal here is what you can benifit from. Your body will fall asleep in a better way because it is not processing as much food
[22:58] <@louie54> Ok
[22:58] <zebrah> and You should ave clearer drea,s
[22:58] <zebrah> dreams*
[22:59] <zebrah> The point of some sleep is to conserv energy
[22:59] <@louie54> People claim that green tea works too
[22:59] <zebrah> but Your sleep can be consumed with digestion
[22:59] <zebrah> Yes louie
[22:59] <zebrah> because some stimulants help you and some dont
[22:59] <@louie54> What also may help is to have a small dose of caffiene
[22:59] <zebrah> like if you drink cafeen before bed your not going to sleep well
[22:59] <zebrah> right
[22:59] <zebrah> not a large dose
[22:59] <@louie54> Yes
[23:00] <zebrah> a small enough on causes a sleepy effect once it wears off
[23:00] <@louie54> I had a sip of coke, I had a lucid the same night, but I'm not sure if it worked or if I just got lucky
[23:00] <@louie54> It never worked again
[23:00] <zebrah> alternativly a quite large dose can lead to an OBE
[23:00] <zebrah> hrmm
[23:00] <@louie54> Possibly
[23:00] <@louie54> Oh
[23:00] <zebrah> I had a caffeen induced OBE in chem class this semester
[23:00] <@louie54> Lol
[23:00] <zebrah> or OOBE what ever you call it
[23:01] <zebrah> lol
[23:01] <zebrah> I could see my class from above my head
[23:01] <@louie54> Anyway, you guys read the Subliminal Messages tutorial?
[23:01] <zebrah> nope
[23:01] <Ice> no
[23:01] <zebrah> wait I might have
[23:01] <Kael^Seoras> no
[23:01] <PercyLucid> yes
[23:01] <Dire> I have
[23:01] <PercyLucid> the Ninja one
[23:01] <zebrah> Yes
[23:01] <@louie54> For those who don't know what I'm talking about,
[23:02] <@louie54> Ninja conducted an experiment on DreamViews
[23:02] <@louie54> That had subjects listen to 3 different types of music
[23:03] <@louie54> One with a saying in the background (uncomprehendable) saying "this is a dream" or something
[23:03] <@louie54> While another didn't have it at all
[23:03] <@louie54> And results showed that the people who got the one with the background mantras, had an increase chance of having a LD
[23:04] <@louie54> http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62621
[23:04] <@louie54> I've tried it myself, but no luck
[23:04] <zebrah> probabibly because you knew about the mantras
[23:04] <Kael^Seoras> I tried music with sublimional messages
[23:04] <zebrah> err messages
[23:04] <Kael^Seoras> dreams on those nights tended to be more vivid
[23:04] <Kael^Seoras> but not lucid
[23:04] <PercyLucid> I downloaded the file
[23:05] <PercyLucid> 59MB
[23:05] <@louie54> Well the mantras are suppose to stick in your head
[23:05] <PercyLucid> I heared three nights now
[23:05] <@louie54> Subconsciously anyway
[23:05] <zebrah> mmk
[23:05] <PercyLucid> no lucids but it helps to relax
[23:05] <@louie54> Yeah
[23:05] <@louie54> That's another possible way to have a DILD
[23:05] <PercyLucid> and that's more "lucid seeds" you plant in your subconscious
[23:06] <PercyLucid> louie54:
[23:06] <PercyLucid> do not forget
[23:06] <PercyLucid> the files also have tones
[23:06] <PercyLucid> Alpha and Gamma I think
[23:06] <@louie54> Ok
[23:07] <@louie54> Any questoins about anything, anyone?
[23:07] <zebrah> nope
[23:07] <@louie54> I think we covered mostly everything DILD
[23:07] <Dire> I have a small question, but it's a bit unrelated
[23:07] <PercyLucid> nope (sorry, I just wanted to add)
[23:07] <@louie54> I feel like I'm missing something
[23:07] <@louie54> Ok Dire
[23:07] <Kael^Seoras> I have a question, after Dire
[23:08] <Dire> I missed last week's class, so you might have answered this already. Does a MILD count as a type of DILD?
[23:08] <@louie54> Apparantly some don't, but I do
[23:08] <Kael^Seoras> remind me what MILD is?
[23:08] <@louie54> Because you are in the dream when it happens, not while falling asleep
[23:08] <@louie54> Mnemonic Initiated Lucid Dream
[23:09] <@louie54> It involves using a lot of mantras
[23:09] <Dire> that's kinda what I figured,
[23:09] <@louie54> With a brief WBTB
[23:09] <PercyLucid> yep
[23:09] <@louie54> You need good prospective memory which can be practiced
[23:09] <@louie54> But LaBerge shows that it is very effective
[23:10] <@louie54> Ok
[23:10] <Kael^Seoras> the DILD tutorial mentions mantras
[23:10] <@louie54> Did I answer your question
[23:10] <PercyLucid> yeah
[23:10] <Kael^Seoras> so seems liek MILD would be DILD
[23:10] <PercyLucid> i read both of his books
[23:10] <@louie54> I think so too
[23:10] <Dire> yes, thank you Louie
[23:11] <zebrah> BTW anyone in project Z there will be an experiment up tomarow ill pM, you can do it when ever you want. I will create a results thread for it
[23:11] <@louie54> Was that your question Kael?
[23:11] <Kael^Seoras> I read that a good reality check it to look at your watch, look away, then look back and see if the time is still the same, and if it changed, you're dreaming
[23:11] <PercyLucid> zebrah: ok
[23:11] <PercyLucid> send me the PM message plz
[23:11] <Kael^Seoras> how well does this work with analogues?
[23:11] <zebrah> yup
[23:12] <@louie54> Analogs?
[23:12] <zebrah> analog watches
[23:12] <Kael^Seoras> er, yea
[23:12] <zebrah> we discussed this last class
[23:12] <Kael^Seoras> analog
[23:12] <Kael^Seoras> my bad
[23:12] <@louie54> Oh right
[23:12] <zebrah> I had the same question
[23:12] <Dire> leberge says the trick doesn't work very well with analog watches
[23:12] <@louie54> Analog isn't recommended
[23:12] <@louie54> Right, Dire
[23:12] <Kael^Seoras> ok, thanks
[23:13] <Kael^Seoras> I glanced over the transcript of last class
[23:13] <@louie54> Like text, digital clocks have a hard time staying stabilized when looking away and looking back
[23:13] <Kael^Seoras> I thought that was about whether the watch was giving an impossible time
[23:13] <Kael^Seoras> i.e. 9:84
[23:13] <@louie54> Right
[23:13] <@louie54> Exactly
[23:13] <@louie54> No
[23:13] <PercyLucid> but do not
[23:13] <@louie54> It was about which was better
[23:13] <PercyLucid> stare at the watch
[23:13] <PercyLucid> or you will wake up
[23:13] <Kael^Seoras> ok
[23:14] <@louie54> Digital clock doesn't exist outside the mind, so it can't stabilize itself
[23:15] <@louie54> Ok so would you guys like to go over Mild real quick?
[23:15] <zebrah> sure
[23:15] <Kael^Seoras> sure
[23:15] <@louie54> Since it is apparantly a form of DILD
[23:15] <zebrah> louie please read my PM I sent you later
[23:15] <@louie54> Ok
[23:15] <@louie54> So MILD
[23:15] <@louie54> Zebrah, what does it stand for
[23:15] <Dire> Sure
[23:15] <zebrah> um I think two things
[23:15] <zebrah> mantra induced lucid dream
[23:16] <@louie54> Acceptable
[23:16] <zebrah> and menomicly incudec lucid dream or something
[23:16] <@louie54> Correct
[23:16] <zebrah> ok
[23:16] <zebrah> lol
[23:16] <zebrah> spelling also>
[23:16] <@louie54> Mostly people say Mnemonic
[23:16] <zebrah> k
[23:16] <@louie54> Since it is about remembering to do something in advance
[23:16] <zebrah> lol I got the jist of it
[23:16] <@louie54> Becoming lucid, for this subject
[23:16] <zebrah> iv'e heard both
[23:16] <@louie54> same
[23:17] <@louie54> So one way I would do this
[23:17] <@louie54> Is to wake up from a dream
[23:17] <@louie54> Remember it of course
[23:17] <@louie54> You can do this without sleep first if you like
[23:18] <@louie54> And remember your non-dream
[23:18] <@louie54> non-lucid* dream
[23:18] <@louie54> Then think about, "if I was in the dream again, how would it be different if I became lucid"
[23:18] <@louie54> "What would I do"
[23:18] <@louie54> "What wou"
[23:18] <@louie54> Also
[23:18] <@louie54> Woops
[23:18] <zebrah> like serens idea on writing down a dream again as if you hadbecome lucid?
[23:18] <@louie54> Recognize what was it you missed
[23:19] <@louie54> That could have told you, you were dreaming
[23:19] <@louie54> Sort of
[23:19] <@louie54> Anyway
[23:19] <@louie54> Recognize your failed dream-sign
[23:19] <@louie54> Then think about what you would have done differently and envision it
[23:19] <PercyLucid> nice
[23:19] <zebrah> Louie I had a dream I stole and drove a mustang lol
[23:19] <PercyLucid> never though about that
[23:19] <zebrah> ^ my dreamsign
[23:20] <zebrah> on of em
[23:20] <@louie54> Nice lol
[23:20] <zebrah> rofl
[23:20] <@louie54> Yeah you told me
[23:20] <zebrah> not lucid
[23:20] <zebrah> o yah
[23:20] <zebrah> I forgot
[23:20] <@louie54> Yeah
[23:20] <@louie54> For example
[23:20] <PercyLucid> and I had a dream my mustang was stolen
[23:20] <PercyLucid> LOL
[23:20] <zebrah> really?
[23:20] <PercyLucid> yeah
[23:20] <zebrah> is it green?
[23:20] <PercyLucid> a few months ago
[23:20] <PercyLucid> nop
[23:20] <zebrah> lol
[23:21] <PercyLucid> black pearl
[23:21] <zebrah> oo what year?
[23:21] <PercyLucid> 2008
[23:21] <zebrah> ooo
[23:21] <zebrah> sexy
[23:21] <@louie54> "I just had a dream a dog was talking to me and I thought nothing of it. I can't believe that wasn't enough to convince me that I was dreaming. So if I was dreaming, I would have said 'hi' to him and fly away"
[23:21] <PercyLucid> safely sleeping in my garage
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[23:21] <zebrah> ^ lol
[23:22] <@louie54> Well we got logs
[23:22] <zebrah> yup
[23:22] <PercyLucid> louie54: yeah, I had one that I was in a college and I saw a parking that said, "Lucid dreamer parking only"
[23:22] <zebrah> like I said he does that a lot
[23:22] <PercyLucid> but did not realize lol
[23:22] <@louie54> Lol
[23:22] <zebrah> rofl
[23:22] <@louie54> I would have so parked in it, I hope you did
[23:22] <zebrah> I had a dream that my college school bus was broken so we made a human bus
[23:22] <PercyLucid> I already parked before seeing that one
[23:22] <@louie54> Lol
[23:22] <PercyLucid> i was waling
[23:22] <zebrah> rofl
[23:22] <PercyLucid> and I saw it and said
[23:23] <PercyLucid> "I can lucid dream, I can move my car to that parking"
[23:23] <PercyLucid> is in my journal
[23:23] <zebrah> ill read it lol
[23:23] <PercyLucid> but it was a non lucid dream though
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[23:23] <@louie54> Alright
[23:23] <Dire> sorry about that
[23:23] <@louie54> So have we got the idea of MILD?
[23:23] <zebrah> yup
[23:23] <@louie54> Don't worry about that
[23:23] <Kael^Seoras> yes
[23:24] <@louie54> Just ask for a hall pass next time before leaving
[23:24] <zebrah> is it better to say it out loud
[23:24] <Kael^Seoras> sounds a very good idea
[23:24] <Dire> yeah, I think I've got MILD down haha
[23:24] <Dire> haha will do. darned server timeouts
[23:24] <@louie54> Whatever works for you
[23:24] <@louie54> I'd rather say it in my head
[23:24] <zebrah> k
[23:24] <PercyLucid> http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...t=95718&page=1
[23:24] <@louie54> http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=65458
[23:24] <zebrah> as would I
[23:24] <@louie54> For MILD
[23:24] <zebrah> I dont want to seem crazy
[23:24] <@louie54> Yeah lol
[23:24] <zebrah> but I sort of am so its ok
[23:24] <zebrah> I talk to myself a lot
[23:24] <@louie54> Ok so
[23:25] <@louie54> Show of hands: Any questions?
[23:25] <PercyLucid> nope
[23:25] <PercyLucid> zebrah there you go
[23:25] <PercyLucid> is somewhere in there
[23:25] <zebrah> *sk ty
[23:25] <zebrah> k*
[23:25] <@louie54> Anyone... anyone,..... anyone?.... anyone?
[23:26] <@louie54> Anyone....
[23:26] <zebrah> can I go to sleep now lol
[23:26] <Ice> and is the point of MILD to go then back to sleep and do what you thought or just be alert next time?
[23:26] <@louie54> If you like
[23:26] <zebrah> naw I was jk
[23:26] <@louie54> Right I forgot
[23:26] <@louie54> Thanks Ice
[23:26] <@louie54> So you go back to sleep, and you should be immediatly in a lucid if successful, or recognize your dream sign
[23:27] <@louie54> You will not likely have the dream you envisioned
[23:27] <@louie54> But lucid dreaming should really be on your mind
[23:27] <zebrah> mmmk
[23:27] <@louie54> Did I answer your question right?
[23:28] <Ice> yes
[23:28] <@louie54> Ok so we clear on that?
[23:28] <zebrah> yes sir
[23:28] <@louie54> Everyone.... everyone........ everyone......?
[23:28] <@louie54> For those who have seen Ferris Bueler
[23:28] <PercyLucid> yes
[23:28] <@louie54> Day off
[23:28] <zebrah> louie jsuts wants to go watch adault swim lol
[23:28] <zebrah> yes
[23:28] <@louie54> Lol it's actually been on since King of the Hill
[23:28] <zebrah> lol
[23:29] <@louie54> It's playing behind me
[23:29] <zebrah> I dont like that show
[23:29] <zebrah> its playing to my left
[23:29] <zebrah> kinky
[23:29] <@louie54> Right now it's Family Guy but it a commercial
[23:29] <zebrah> yup
[23:29] <@louie54> Yeah
[23:29] <PercyLucid> well dudes I'll be going soon
[23:29] <@louie54> Sorry people
[23:29] <zebrah> lol
[23:29] <@louie54> Yes that should be it
[23:29] <@louie54> For DILD
[23:29] <Kael^Seoras> alright
[23:29] <zebrah> home work?
[23:29] <@louie54> I still feel like I'm missing something
[23:29] <PercyLucid> I do not want it to become too late and I always like to do my mantras, WILD before going bed
[23:29] <@louie54> But DILD isn't much
[23:29] <zebrah> you missing homework
[23:30] <PercyLucid> dreamwork zebrah
[23:30] <PercyLucid> xD
[23:30] <zebrah> lol
[23:30] <zebrah> nice
[23:30] <@louie54> No homework, just keep writing in your dream journals
[23:30] <@louie54> Have a lucid
[23:30] <zebrah> sweet
[23:30] <PercyLucid> I will have one tonight
[23:30] <PercyLucid> I'll promise
[23:30] <@louie54> Extra credit: Read my tutorial, have a lucid
[23:30] <zebrah> what about ferris buelers day off>
[23:30] <@louie54> Oh good luck
[23:30] <PercyLucid> see tomorrow my journal
[23:30] <@louie54> Alright
[23:30] <PercyLucid> I hope I can complete the 3rd task of the year
[23:30] <Ice> thank you Louie. bye
[23:30] <PercyLucid> I want to fnish them
[23:30] <zebrah> percy im trying to do the first lol
[23:31] <@louie54> Thank you for showing Ice
[23:31] <@louie54> You a good student
[23:31] <zebrah> bye ice
[23:31] <Ice> ))
[23:31] <@louie54> You all are
[23:31] <Ice> bye guys
[23:31] <zebrah> *gets that warm fuzzy fealing*
[23:31] == Ice [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
[23:31] <@louie54> Watch ferris for extra credit too and think about what you would do if you were dreaming if you were him
[23:31] <@louie54>
[23:31] <zebrah> ok lol
[23:31] <Dire> hey louie, when you have a sec, could you give me a brief outline of what I missed last week?
[23:32] <@louie54> Sure
[23:32] <PercyLucid> Dire
[23:32] <@louie54> Class is over
[23:32] <@louie54> Now
[23:32] <zebrah> swwet
[23:32] <PercyLucid> the whole logs in in the thread
[23:32] <@louie54> That's it for this class anyway
[23:32] <zebrah> louie do you belive in coinsidence
[23:32] <zebrah> I dont
[23:32] <PercyLucid> night guys
[23:32] <@louie54> Yeah, but not like anything uhh suspicious
[23:32] <zebrah> This entire class has been filled with them for me
[23:32] <@louie54> As in the same name as someone else
[23:32] <@louie54> Good night Percy
[23:32] <zebrah> like the second you typed class is over the album I was listening to ended
[23:33] <Dire> night percy
[23:33] <zebrah> night
[23:33] <@louie54> Lol
[23:33] <@louie54> Oh that happens to me when I drive home
[23:33] <zebrah> the very second louie
[23:33] <zebrah> lol
[23:33] <@louie54> Song is over when I park
[23:33] <zebrah> almost whenever I get in my car the song snuff turn s on
[23:33] <@louie54> Lol
[23:33] <zebrah> RIP #2
[23:34] <@louie54> Anyway yes class is overLast edited by louie54; 06-10-2010 at 05:44 PM.
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06-18-2010 07:31 AM #4Spoiler for DILD Chat Log 3:[22:11] <@louie54> Well.
[22:11] <@louie54> It's about that time.
[22:11] <Linkster17> *giant thunder*
[22:11] <@louie54> Welcome back to the DILD Course
[22:11] <@louie54> Lol
[22:12] <@Serenity> {QUESTION}
[22:12] <@Serenity>
[22:12] <@louie54> Let's see, last week we covered...
[22:12] <Linkster17> not joking, that scared me, jk
[22:12] <@Serenity> before we really get into the new stuff
[22:12] <@louie54> Yes, Serenity, what is your question...
[22:12] <@Serenity> so... we covered last week during the WBTB that we should try to RC as much as possible
[22:12] <@Serenity> so... what exactly are you RCing to?
[22:12] <@louie54> Me? Or the class?
[22:13] <@Serenity> like... external things around your room?
[22:13] <@Serenity> or internal things, like the dream you just had?
[22:13] <@Serenity> or... just scenarios in general?
[22:13] <@louie54> That depends really
[22:13] <@louie54> Did you read the course log from last time?
[22:13] <@Serenity> i didn't finish it
[22:14] <@Serenity> been a really busy wek
[22:14] <@Serenity> week*
[22:14] <@louie54> Because I believe we ended up talking about MILD
[22:14] <@louie54> And WBTB
[22:14] <Linkster17> i think you guys did
[22:14] <@Serenity> i was there for some of the MILD and WBTB stuff
[22:14] == zebrah [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[22:14] <@louie54> With MILD, to look back on your dream and think about what you missed where you could have become lucid
[22:14] <@louie54> and
[22:14] <zebrah> sorry im late
[22:14] <@louie54> Your tardy.
[22:14] <zebrah> i know
[22:14] <zebrah> lol
[22:14] <Linkster17> hey, youre late, detention
[22:14] <@louie54> Take a seat
[22:14] <zebrah> only 15 min
[22:14] <Linkster17> jk
[22:14] <zebrah> k
[22:14] <zebrah> I sped home
[22:15] <@louie54> We just got started
[22:15] <zebrah> breakin the law!!!
[22:15] <zebrah> ok
[22:15] <@louie54> Lol
[22:15] <@louie54> Anyway as I was saying Serenity
[22:15] <@louie54> What I just said, and...
[22:15] <@louie54> What I usually do during WBTB and RCing
[22:16] <@louie54> I just use normal reality checks like checking the digital clock, thinking about my goals, writing in my journal etc
[22:16] <@louie54> Your reality checking depends on you
[22:16] <@Serenity> you were breaking the lol? (sorry... just came up with that, had to share it)
[22:16] <zebrah> *raises Hand*
[22:16] <@louie54> Reflect on your dream and think about what you missed
[22:16] <@louie54> Put your hand down
[22:16] <@louie54> Jk
[22:16] <zebrah> breaking the law
[22:16] <@louie54> Go ahead
[22:16] <zebrah> ok
[22:16] <zebrah> lol
[22:16] <zebrah> Is it better or worse to use multiple RCs
[22:16] <zebrah> or neutral
[22:17] <@louie54> Well more specifically
[22:17] <Linkster17> lawbreaker!
[22:17] <@louie54> It would be good to use 2
[22:17] <@Serenity> lolbreaker
[22:17] <zebrah> ok
[22:17] <@louie54> Because, it happens to most of us
[22:17] <zebrah> I use 2
[22:17] <zebrah> and yes linkster are you a cop
[22:17] <@louie54> Reality checks tend to fail
[22:17] <@louie54> And we need a backup
[22:17] <@Serenity> i use two
[22:17] <zebrah> I use 2
[22:17] <Linkster17> *pulls out cuffs*
[22:17] <zebrah> the finger through the hand and look at hand
[22:17] <@louie54> Hey!
[22:17] <zebrah> lol
[22:17] <@louie54> Put the cuffs away!
[22:17] <@Serenity> okay maybe my pun isn't that funny... i'm really tired
[22:17] <@louie54> Anyway
[22:18] <Linkster17> *puts back in pocket*
[22:18] <@louie54> I usually just double check
[22:18] <zebrah> lol seren
[22:18] <zebrah> yeah
[22:18] <@louie54> Check the digital clock a 3rd time
[22:18] <zebrah> I had a failed RC in a dream
[22:18] <@louie54> Instead of using another reality check
[22:18] <@louie54> It happens to all of us
[22:18] <zebrah> yeah
[22:18] <zebrah> it was ok
[22:18] <zebrah> I did to many mindless Rcs
[22:18] <@louie54> But you did have 2 lucids since we last met?
[22:18] <zebrah> but I had two lucid dreams this week
[22:18] <zebrah> yes
[22:19] <zebrah> both short
[22:19] <@louie54> Ok hold on
[22:19] <@louie54> Anyone else have a lucid?
[22:19] <@Serenity> i had a dream about having a lucid dream this past week...
[22:19] <zebrah> and also something intersting happened to me I want to give people a tip about
[22:19] <@louie54> About Serenity's dream,
[22:19] <zebrah> if i can
[22:19] <zebrah> ?
[22:19] <@louie54> Remember people, there are NO false lucids. Either you knew you were dreaming, or you didn't
[22:20] <@louie54> Unfortunatly, it seems to be a regular term on other sites I believe.
[22:20] <zebrah> yup
[22:20] <@Serenity> see, i didn't
[22:20] <Ice> Had a DILD with the new clue I chose here (checking any type of texts for consistency, readability, etc.)
[22:20] <@Serenity> i didn't know i was
[22:20] <zebrah> louie I have a story about Rcing you might find helpfull
[22:20] <Linkster17> nope, not this week. my recall died for this week
[22:20] <@louie54> Ok hold on people.
[22:20] <zebrah> k
[22:20] <zebrah> sorry
[22:20] <@Serenity> i was saying that i knew i was dreaming, lah dee dah, but it didn't click
[22:20] <@louie54> I have a yarn of string here
[22:21] <@louie54> Now I'm going to give it to someone, and they will talk
[22:21] <@louie54> So we don't get all confused here
[22:21] <zebrah> ok
[22:21] <@louie54> *Hands yarn to Zebrah*, hand it to Serenity next
[22:21] <zebrah> thank you
[22:21] <@louie54> Then give it to Ice, then Linkster
[22:21] <zebrah> ok so I had a FA but it wanst a normal one
[22:21] <zebrah> after I wake up I always do a RC
[22:21] <zebrah> I did my RC and got out of bed to check the time
[22:22] <zebrah> But what I didnt realise is after my RC I fell asleep
[22:22] <zebrah> I checked the time and it said 1:00
[22:22] <zebrah> I looked back and it said 1:45
[22:22] <zebrah> and I assumed I must have misread it
[22:22] <zebrah> because of my previous RC
[22:22] <zebrah> then I woke up for rreal
[22:22] <zebrah> and it was 9:00
[22:22] <zebrah> so double RCing is good
[22:23] <zebrah> done
[22:23] <@louie54> Ok not bad, I think it was progress
[22:23] <@Serenity> *waits for string*
[22:23] <zebrah> hands to seren
[22:23] <@louie54> Lol
[22:23] <zebrah> well it shows just because you RC your not awake 2 seconds later
[22:24] <@Serenity> alright... so my thing was. i had this dream about lucid dreaming. and louie says you either know you are dreaming, or you don't. which i fully agree with. even though i was saying in my dream "weee, it's a lucid dream!"
[22:24] <@Serenity> it never clicked
[22:24] <zebrah> ahh
[22:24] <@Serenity> it didn
[22:24] <@Serenity> it didn't feel like i knew
[22:25] <@Serenity> see... lucidity always feels like something turns on in my brain
[22:25] <@louie54> I figured you knew Serenity. Just making sure we got that cleared here for class and the chat log
[22:25] <@louie54> Sorry for interrupting
[22:25] <@Serenity> and i'm never surprised when i wake up. i was surprised when i woke up
[22:25] <@Serenity> no worries
[22:25] <@Serenity> *hands string to Ice*
[22:26] <Ice> Had a DILD with the new clue I chose here (checking any type of texts for consistency, readability, etc.)
[22:26] <Ice> Frankly I was not too diligent in my RC exercises but still I remembered it in the dream!
[22:26] <Ice> thank you guys for this prompt!
[22:26] <Ice> it ended with false wake-up... again!!(((
[22:27] <zebrah>
[22:27] <@louie54> Lol, hey no problem
[22:27] <Ice> I think I need another good idea what to RC to be my 2nd!
[22:27] <zebrah> *Q* what is your current
[22:27] <@Serenity> pinch your nose and try to breathe through it?
[22:28] <Ice> ok)
[22:28] <@Serenity> that's how i've been trying to catch FA's
[22:28] <Ice> current - checking any type of texts for consistency, readability
[22:28] <zebrah> I like to use discrete RCs
[22:28] <@louie54> Me too
[22:28] <@louie54> Pinching nose is a little obvious
[22:28] <zebrah> I use my middle finger on my left hand to go through my left hand, then look at it
[22:28] <@louie54> To say nothing more of jumping in air to fly
[22:28] <Ice> nose could for good FA
[22:29] <zebrah> yes
[22:29] <@Serenity> most typical RC's don't work for me they all fail
[22:29] <zebrah> HRm
[22:29] <zebrah> do they fail or are you not aware enough?
[22:29] <Ice> Also found that doing some energy work like pumping energy in a big circle right before sleep helps intensify dreams to a very big degree.
[22:29] <@Serenity> it's okay. i found one that works for me it's just not typical
[22:29] <zebrah> really?
[22:29] <zebrah> @ ice
[22:29] <@louie54> Like we talked about last week about labor lol
[22:29] <Ice> i'm done
[22:30] <@louie54> So, link is next
[22:30] <@louie54> Give him yarn
[22:31] <Linkster17> well i usually stick my finger through my other hand and it worked, i became lucid on my own! but i woke up 5 secs later
[22:31] <zebrah> aww
[22:32] <zebrah> link try sticking your finger on one hand thhrouh the hands its connected to. Immagine your finger is really long
[22:32] <zebrah> its grear
[22:32] <zebrah> great*
[22:32] <@louie54> Hey Link good job
[22:32] <Linkster17> usually i just know im dreaming, but then i forget the fact, and ill try it
[22:32] <@louie54> You too Ice
[22:33] <Linkster17> any tips so if i know, i dont just let the thought leave my head
[22:33] <@louie54> Hold on a sec. F_ck
[22:33] <zebrah> k
[22:33] <zebrah> Link sec ill type something out
[22:33] <Linkster17> k
[22:34] <zebrah> What you need to do is RC durring the day and expect it to work. Go through the first thins you would do in a dream IE stabalization
[22:34] <zebrah> then think of your dream goals
[22:34] <Linkster17> k, ill try that, thanks
[22:34] <zebrah>
[22:35] <Linkster17> i still got my eye on you lawbraker, jk
[22:35] <zebrah> lol
[22:35] <zebrah> I didnt speed that much
[22:35] <zebrah> ol
[22:35] <zebrah> l
[22:36] <zebrah> oh no whats going on with Louie
[22:36] <Linkster17> i wonder too
[22:37] <zebrah> well I prolly know why
[22:37] <@louie54> Ok I'm here
[22:37] <zebrah> k
[22:37] <zebrah> everything allright?
[22:37] <@louie54> Yeah
[22:38] <@louie54> I realize I haven't paid for college summer course yet
[22:38] <@louie54> Anyway
[22:38] <zebrah> oh no
[22:38] <zebrah> 7 days to pay?
[22:38] <zebrah> nvm thats my school
[22:38] <@louie54> I just got off this waiting list and I have to pay now
[22:38] <@louie54> Anyways
[22:38] <zebrah> oh
[22:38] <@louie54> I'm here
[22:38] <zebrah> glad you got your class
[22:38] <@louie54> Yeah thanks and thanks for helping Link
[22:39] <zebrah> yup
[22:39] <zebrah> I know how much waitlists suck
[22:39] <@louie54> So where were we
[22:39] <Linkster17> ? oh, your welcome
[22:39] <@louie54> Lol yeah
[22:39] <zebrah> lol
[22:39] <zebrah> no me helping you
[22:39] <zebrah> lol
[22:39] <@louie54> Oh I was saying thanks to Z, but uhh yeah lol thanks for nothing Link
[22:39] <Linkster17> i know, i was kiddin
[22:39] <zebrah> lol
[22:39] <@louie54> Heh
[22:39] <Linkster17> lol
[22:40] <@louie54> You around Akono?
[22:40] <@louie54> Haven't said much
[22:40] <Linkster17> hes in the dv chat
[22:40] <@Akono> just observing
[22:40] <zebrah> louie I have a suggestion after class also if we could talk
[22:40] <zebrah> quick one
[22:41] <@louie54> Yeah alright
[22:42] <zebrah> k
[22:42] <@louie54> Alright so what did we talk about last week
[22:42] <@louie54> Link missed it
[22:42] <zebrah> MILD, DILD WBTB
[22:42] <@louie54> Does everyone have a goal?
[22:42] <zebrah> yup
[22:42] <Linkster17> yep, several
[22:43] <zebrah> a few but one main one
[22:43] <Ice> i don't
[22:43] <@louie54> We need a main one
[22:43] <@louie54> Ice, what do you really want to experience?
[22:43] <Linkster17> i have a main one
[22:43] <zebrah> yeah mine main is to use pyrokinesis
[22:43] <zebrah> my main*
[22:43] <Ice> you mean goal for a dream or what?
[22:44] <@louie54> Yes, a lucid dream of course
[22:44] <@louie54> Do you want to fly, jack a car, what?
[22:44] <Ice> I want to fly to my bedroom and see me sleeping
[22:45] <Linkster17> astral projection
[22:45] <Ice> yes, sort of
[22:45] <Linkster17> or a dc of yourself
[22:45] <Ice> dc?
[22:45] <@louie54> Dream character
[22:46] <Linkster17> dream character
[22:46] <Ice> aaa
[22:46] <Ice> yep
[22:46] <@louie54> So during your WBTB's, or whenever you reality check
[22:46] <@louie54> Think about what you would really like to do
[22:46] <@louie54> Seeing yourself, envision that
[22:47] <@louie54> Or think about what you would do if you found out you were dreaming
[22:47] <@louie54> Even if the check fails
[22:47] <zebrah> thats what I said earlier
[22:47] <Ice> aha
[22:47] <@louie54> Yeah, we covered it last week
[22:48] <@louie54> You still there link?
[22:48] <Linkster17> yep
[22:48] <@louie54> Ok
[22:48] <@Serenity> *waves* me too
[22:48] <@louie54> Hey Serenity
[22:48] <@louie54> I just checked main DV chat, and saw you left
[22:48] <@louie54> So I was just curious
[22:49] <@Serenity> i didn't intentionally leave it
[22:49] <@louie54> Not you! SIT DOWN!
[22:49] <@Serenity> it says i'm still in there on my IRC
[22:49] <@louie54> Lol jk
[22:49] <@louie54> Link left iot
[22:49] <@Serenity> oh
[22:49] <@louie54> it*
[22:49] <@louie54> Anyway
[22:49] <@louie54> Review
[22:50] <@louie54> So everyone here keeps a dream journal?
[22:50] <@Serenity> 3
[22:50] <Linkster17> yep
[22:50] <@louie54> Don't be shy people
[22:50] <zebrah> oh lol you want us to review?
[22:50] <@louie54> We review what we learned
[22:50] <@louie54> Nothing more to really talk about
[22:51] <zebrah> OK last week we went over RCs a little more. We talked about dream goals. And went over the DILD, MILD, WBTB
[22:51] <@louie54> Our 1st lesson, we talked about DJing, RC, dream signs
[22:51] <zebrah> oh
[22:51] <@louie54> Do you guys use dream signs?
[22:51] <@Serenity> yep
[22:52] <zebrah> yup
[22:52] <@louie54> It's not required, actually none of this stuff is required, but it helps
[22:52] <Linkster17> not really
[22:52] <@louie54> I currently don't use it, but I still get lucid sometimes
[22:52] <@louie54> I may experiment with it Linkster
[22:52] <@louie54> It sure has helped me
[22:53] <@louie54> Do you remember what we talked about?
[22:53] <Linkster17> i know, dont have one or notice common ones
[22:53] <@louie54> You could just use a sign that doesn't exactly show up in your dreams
[22:53] <@louie54> I have non really that do
[22:53] <@louie54> So I would say "everytime I see a red car, I'll reality check"
[22:54] <@louie54> And I do
[22:54] <Linkster17> k, thanks
[22:54] <@louie54> It doesn't have to be a red car
[22:55] <@louie54> So what is everyones reality check?
[22:55] <Linkster17> i know
[22:55] <@louie54> Mine is digital clock
[22:55] <@Serenity> whether my body feels weightless
[22:55] <@louie54> Or any kind of mechanic failure
[22:55] <Linkster17> finger through hand
[22:55] <@Serenity> because it always does in a dream. i don't feel gravity
[22:55] <zebrah> finger throuhg hand and looking at my hand
[22:56] <@louie54> I've done those too
[22:56] <@louie54> And who has a backup reality check?
[22:56] <Ice> why looking at your hands helps?
[22:56] <zebrah> To see abnormalitiess
[22:56] <@louie54> Just looking at hands helps too
[22:56] <@Serenity> my hands are my back up
[22:56] <zebrah> and stabalize
[22:56] <zebrah> notheing to do with carlos casteneda
[22:57] <@louie54> I think my hands will be my backup as well
[22:57] <@louie54> But just to look at without checking for abnormalities
[22:57] <zebrah> yeah
[22:57] <zebrah> I do bith louie
[22:57] <zebrah> both*
[22:57] <@louie54> Just seeing the hand, and focusing, and realizing I'm dreaming
[22:57] <Ice> what kind of abnormality can be with hands??
[22:58] <zebrah> um 200 fingers
[22:58] <zebrah> no hand
[22:58] <zebrah> your hand on fire
[22:58] <@louie54> Extra/less fingers, distortion of any kind
[22:58] <@louie54> Blurryness
[22:58] <zebrah> your hand turning invsible/visible
[22:58] <zebrah> yeah
[22:58] <@Serenity> sometimes my hands aren't there
[22:58] <@louie54> Anything not normal
[22:58] <zebrah> blurry a lot
[22:58] <zebrah> lol seren
[22:58] <@Serenity> it just fades off at my wrists
[22:59] <zebrah> yeah
[22:59] <@louie54> Ok, who can tell me what you do during a MILD
[22:59] <@louie54> Anyone....anyone...
[22:59] <zebrah> Me
[22:59] <zebrah> durring a MILD you wake up durring the night. Doing RCs and Mantras
[22:59] <zebrah> then you go back to sleep
[22:59] <@louie54> What may happen when you dream
[23:00] <zebrah> you will jsut be lucid
[23:00] <@louie54> What's difference between old dream, and new, hopefully lucid, one
[23:00] <zebrah> or a dream sign will be there
[23:00] <Linkster17> uh, dont you think about spots in your dream where you could have become lucid
[23:00] <@louie54> Anyone...
[23:00] <zebrah> idk
[23:00] <@louie54> It's actually pretty simple
[23:01] <zebrah> oh wait
[23:01] <zebrah> your lucid lol
[23:01] <@Serenity> you'll remember to RC?
[23:01] <@louie54> You almost immediatly lucid, or recognize your abnormality
[23:01] <@louie54> But dream may be nothing like dream you just had and were envisioning
[23:01] <zebrah> I said that lol sorta
[23:01] <@louie54> What do you do while awake
[23:01] <@louie54> During MILD
[23:02] <zebrah> go over dream you hand an were not lucid but invision it as if you were lucid
[23:02] <Linkster17> think about spots in your dream where you could have become lucid
[23:02] <@louie54> Good answer Zebrah
[23:02] <@louie54> You too Link
[23:02] <zebrah> sweet combo answer
[23:02] <@louie54> Now, who can tell me about WBTB
[23:02] <@louie54> Anyone... anyone...
[23:02] <@Serenity> hat trick?
[23:03] <zebrah> ill let someone else do it
[23:03] <@Serenity> you wake up, try to RC as much as possible
[23:03] <zebrah> or I can
[23:03] <@Serenity> think about dreaming
[23:03] <zebrah> ahh
[23:03] <@Serenity> and lucidity
[23:03] <@louie54> Be more specific please
[23:03] <zebrah> set an alarm for before you wake up tho
[23:04] <@louie54> You can also drink a glass of water before bed and wait for a REM period to get you up
[23:04] <@Serenity> and... go back to sleep?
[23:04] <zebrah> You wake up idk how long before your normal time. You do RCs think about dream goals and lucidity. Then fall back to sleep about 1 hour later
[23:04] <@louie54> I forgot to cover that
[23:04] <zebrah> ahh nice
[23:04] <@louie54> 1 hour later is a bit late
[23:04] <@louie54> I'd say around 20 mins
[23:04] <zebrah> ohh
[23:04] <zebrah> ok lol
[23:04] <@louie54> For some, just a trip to bathroom
[23:05] <zebrah> I have a question thats WILD/WBTB related if you could help
[23:05] <@louie54> Go
[23:05] <zebrah> EVen if I wake up in my rem period I can never fall asleep again
[23:05] <zebrah> Should I try to go back to bed sooner?
[23:05] <@louie54> How long do you wait? An hour?
[23:05] <zebrah> no like 15-20 min
[23:05] <@louie54> That would be my 1st answer
[23:06] <zebrah> k
[23:06] <@louie54> Clear your mind, relax
[23:06] <zebrah> I just need to find a time between falling asleep to quick and not falling asleep
[23:06] <@louie54> Try not to move so much
[23:06] <zebrah> ok
[23:06] <zebrah> should I get out of bed
[23:07] <@louie54> I would, if you wish
[23:07] <@louie54> You don't have to
[23:07] <zebrah> ok a lot of techniques say you need to
[23:07] <zebrah> thanks
[23:07] <@louie54> No problem
[23:07] <@louie54> Ok, extra credit
[23:07] <@Serenity> you just need to be able to wake yourself up enough so that you don't just fall back to sleep again without accomplishing anything
[23:08] <@louie54> Who can tell me why you are not lucid
[23:08] <@louie54> During a dream
[23:08] <@louie54> Anyone... anyone...
[23:08] <@Serenity> because dreams do not follow conscious logic
[23:08] <zebrah> because the err prefrontal lobe of your brain is inactive?
[23:08] <@Serenity> your logic centre is turned off
[23:08] <@Serenity> dreams follow schema logic
[23:08] <Linkster17> what they said
[23:08] <zebrah> lol link
[23:09] <@louie54> Ok, physiologically speaking
[23:09] <Linkster17> i couldnt type ot fast enough
[23:09] <Linkster17> it*
[23:09] <@louie54> Anyone...
[23:09] <@louie54> Zebrah almost had it
[23:09] <zebrah> is it your prefrontal lobe?
[23:09] <zebrah> I cant remeber lol
[23:09] <@Serenity> cortex?
[23:09] <zebrah> frontal lobe
[23:09] <@Serenity> prefrontal cortex?
[23:10] <@louie54> Ok yes, more specific
[23:10] <zebrah> All I know is the area of reasoning and logic for your brain is off
[23:10] <@louie54> You guys could cheat so bad lol
[23:10] <zebrah> lol
[23:10] <zebrah> I wont
[23:10] <@Serenity> i know
[23:10] <@louie54> Not all of it
[23:10] <zebrah> im recalling lol
[23:10] <@Serenity> but i'm NOT
[23:10] <Linkster17> without logic, you will accept anything
[23:10] <zebrah> Does it have to do with sleep paralysis
[23:10] <zebrah> rofl
[23:10] <@louie54> Lol
[23:10] <@Serenity> the place where if you smacked yourself on the head, you'll lose your memories?
[23:10] <@louie54> That's another topic
[23:10] <zebrah> k
[23:10] <@louie54> I might write a tutorial on that later
[23:11] <zebrah> I cant really remeber louie
[23:11] <@louie54> Hint: D
[23:11] <zebrah> something about the front of your brain
[23:11] <zebrah> yes hint
[23:11] <@Akono> pineal gland?
[23:11] <@louie54> L
[23:11] <@Serenity> hypothalamus?
[23:11] <zebrah> left hemisphere is not active?
[23:11] <@Akono> i'm even at a lost on this.
[23:11] <@louie54> Lol
[23:11] <zebrah> lol
[23:11] <@louie54> DLP...
[23:12] <zebrah> ima just list parts of the brain
[23:12] <zebrah> DLP?
[23:12] <@Serenity> i thought we might tossing out random brain areas
[23:12] <zebrah> lol
[23:12] <@louie54> Guys
[23:12] <@louie54> Come on
[23:12] <zebrah> idk what DLP is i have no memory
[23:12] <zebrah> and I read it
[23:12] <zebrah> lol
[23:12] <@louie54> Dorsorlateral Prefrontal Cortex
[23:12] <@louie54> Sheesh you guys fail
[23:12] <zebrah> ahhh
[23:12] <@louie54> lol
[23:12] <zebrah> lol
[23:12] <@Serenity> damn large pikachu
[23:13] <zebrah> me and seren were close
[23:13] <@louie54> Yeah
[23:13] <@Serenity> oh fuck, how could i have not got that?!
[23:13] <zebrah> dont sass me louie
[23:13] <@louie54> Remember, it's not completely inactive though, just very
[23:13] <@Serenity> dorsorlateral
[23:13] <Linkster17> i wouldnt know that without cheatin
[23:14] <@louie54> Some parts of you prefrontal cortex are still active
[23:14] <@louie54> So there is still a little bit of reasoning there
[23:14] <@Serenity> i think zebrah and i should get bonus marks for the "prefrontal" (his) and "cortex" (mine)
[23:14] <@louie54> Which would probably explain schema logic, say in social situations
[23:14] <zebrah> lol yeah
[23:14] <zebrah> for the non existant point system
[23:14] <@louie54> Sure, why not Serenity
[23:14] <@louie54>
[23:14] <@Serenity> 50 dkp, then
[23:15] <@Serenity> bonus to whoever gets THAT reference
[23:15] <@louie54> Donkey Kong Points
[23:15] <@louie54> OOOHHH!
[23:15] <zebrah> lol
[23:15] <@Serenity> ....
[23:15] <Linkster17> lol
[23:15] <@Akono> wow
[23:15] <@Serenity> dragon kill points
[23:16] <zebrah>
[23:16] <Linkster17> lol, fail
[23:16] <@louie54> Hehe
[23:16] <Linkster17> jk
[23:16] <@louie54> So I think that about covers it
[23:16] <@louie54> Umm
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06-24-2010 07:09 AM #5Spoiler for Semester 2 Week 1:6] <@louie54> Welcome to DILD Course
[22:16] == PercyLucid [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[22:16] <@louie54> My name is louie, and I am your professor
[22:16] <PercyLucid> hi dudes
[22:16] <PercyLucid> just got from work
[22:16] <velvetshaw> just made it!
[22:16] <@louie54> Hey percy, you said you couldn't make it
[22:16] <Linkster17> hey, just made it
[22:16] <PercyLucid> I will be going soon too beed due 5:30 am wake up
[22:17] <PercyLucid> but I wil be hanging out around 10 mins
[22:17] <Linkster17> lol
[22:17] <PercyLucid> to digest at least half of the salad I just ate
[22:17] <@louie54> Lol ok
[22:17] <@louie54> well we were just getting started weren't we
[22:17] <Linkster17> yep
[22:18] <PercyLucid> nice
[22:18] <@louie54> Anyway, I'm your professor, blah blah anyway
[22:18] <Linkster17> *blah Blah blah
[22:18] <@louie54> We have velvet joining us today
[22:18] <@louie54> Welcome
[22:18] <velvetshaw> Thanks, im pretty excited
[22:18] <Linkster17> welcome!
[22:19] <@louie54> So have you had a lucid dream before velvet?
[22:19] <velvetshaw> no i cant say i have =[[
[22:19] <velvetshaw> well
[22:19] <Linkster17> thats ok
[22:19] <@louie54> Well, you're here to learn
[22:19] <velvetshaw> since i joined DV
[22:19] <velvetshaw> as a child many times
[22:19] <Linkster17> i had one recently, for 5 secs lol
[22:19] <@louie54> I had one earlier this month. Ehh
[22:20] <PercyLucid> yes
[22:20] <PercyLucid> 4 within this week, 17 total since joining
[22:20] <@louie54> Nice
[22:20] <PercyLucid> and who knows about all my life lol
[22:20] <velvetshaw> wow thats awesome
[22:20] <PercyLucid> dv improved me a lot
[22:20] <PercyLucid>
[22:20] <PercyLucid> specially on dream recall
[22:21] <Linkster17> my recall has died for the last week
[22:21] <@louie54> Some interesting facts about DILD, who can name a few?
[22:21] <Linkster17> oldest kind of lucid dreming
[22:21] <Linkster17> *dreaming
[22:21] <@louie54> Yes
[22:21] <@louie54> What else
[22:21] <Linkster17> most commom
[22:21] <Linkster17> *common
[22:21] <@louie54> Also true
[22:21] <@louie54> Your good
[22:21] <PercyLucid> specially for naturals
[22:22] <@louie54> However, it is most random
[22:22] <Linkster17> its almost like i took this class lol
[22:22] <Linkster17> and yes it is
[22:22] <@louie54> That's the only bad thing is that we never know when it could happen
[22:22] <PercyLucid> is how naturals getlucids before knowing the "lucid" word itself
[22:22] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:22] <@louie54> Some of them think it's a normal thing
[22:22] <@louie54> Until they find us
[22:22] <Linkster17> so we improve it using rcing, dream signs, mantras, etc.
[22:23] <velvetshaw> as i did before DV =]
[22:23] <@louie54> Dream recall is very important
[22:23] <@louie54> Because without it, who knows if you had a lucid
[22:23] <@louie54> Show of hands, who here keeps a dream journal
[22:23] <@louie54> *raises hand*
[22:23] <velvetshaw> *raises hand*
[22:23] <Linkster17> *raises hand
[22:24] * PercyLucid raises hand
[22:24] <@louie54> Ok good
[22:24] <@louie54> About how often do each of you write in it?
[22:24] <@louie54> I've been a bit lazy lately
[22:24] <PercyLucid> updating it right now, that is why I came xD
[22:24] <PercyLucid> b4 going bed
[22:24] <PercyLucid> every night
[22:24] <Linkster17> *depends on my memory
[22:24] <PercyLucid> every time I wake up with a sentence of a fragment or more
[22:24] <velvetshaw> i try to write in it everymoring, and try to write down what i want to dream before i go to bed...but my dream recall is terrible, some nights i dont remember anything!
[22:24] <@louie54> There is one thing I forgot to mention last week
[22:25] <PercyLucid> usually 2-4 times a night
[22:25] <Linkster17> my recall died this week and most of last week
[22:25] <@louie54> I mean not last week, the first week of our last class
[22:25] <@louie54> About recall
[22:25] <Linkster17> but i had gotten to a dream or 2 every night be4 that
[22:25] <@louie54> When you wake up in the morning, what do you do? First thing, if you can remember
[22:25] <Linkster17> none then
[22:26] <Linkster17> stay still
[22:26] <PercyLucid> I do not move
[22:26] <@louie54> Good
[22:26] <PercyLucid> and think about my last dream
[22:26] <@louie54> Awesome people
[22:26] <@louie54> I tried that once, and I ended up with a DEILD
[22:26] <PercyLucid> except for if I had a major lucid, I jump the bed and run like crazy with my notebook toa table
[22:26] <@louie54> But it is a good way
[22:26] <Linkster17> lol
[22:26] <PercyLucid> nice :up:
[22:26] <velvetshaw> *jealous* lol
[22:26] <@louie54> lol
[22:26] <Linkster17> i know right
[22:27] <@louie54> So remember that velvet, don't move when you wake up
[22:27] <@louie54> Think about dream you may of just had
[22:27] <@louie54> AND
[22:27] <PercyLucid> try to notopen your eyes
[22:27] <@louie54> Analyze your emotions
[22:27] <Linkster17> or try, i always fail
[22:27] <Linkster17> i forget
[22:27] <@louie54> The dreams you just had can affect your mood whether or not you recall it
[22:27] <@louie54> So that's why it's important
[22:28] <@louie54> Ask yourself how do you feel
[22:28] <@louie54> That was also something I forgot to mention
[22:28] <PercyLucid> mmmmmm
[22:28] <PercyLucid> thats a good pint
[22:28] <PercyLucid> point
[22:29] <@louie54> Do you think you guys can remember that
[22:29] <PercyLucid> I analaze my emotions on most,but I do not focus on them,specially if they are fragments
[22:29] <PercyLucid> sure
[22:29] <Linkster17> k
[22:29] <velvetshaw> emotions huh
[22:29] <@louie54> Ok so let's review recall
[22:29] <@louie54> Yes
[22:29] <@louie54> Keep a dream journal
[22:30] <@louie54> Don't move upon awakening, keep eyes closed
[22:30] <@louie54> And analyze your emotions
[22:30] <@louie54> I feel like I'm forgetting something
[22:30] <@louie54> I don't think so
[22:31] <@louie54> Now
[22:31] <@louie54> Let's discuss reality checking
[22:31] <@louie54> Who here reality checks?
[22:31] <Linkster17> RC
[22:32] <velvetshaw> *raises hand*
[22:32] <Linkster17> *raises hand
[22:32] * PercyLucid raises hand
[22:32] <@louie54> velvet?
[22:32] <velvetshaw> yes?
[22:32] <PercyLucid> he does poorguy
[22:32] <PercyLucid> <velvetshaw> *raises hand*
[22:32] <PercyLucid>
[22:32] <@louie54> Do you have a reality check?
[22:32] <velvetshaw> i do
[22:33] <velvetshaw> i combine a few things
[22:33] <@louie54> Everyone state their reality check(s)
[22:33] <@louie54> Mine is checking digital clock
[22:33] <@louie54> ?
[22:33] <Linkster17> finger through hand and im trying to remember to check a digital clock
[22:33] * PercyLucid are: hands, nose, mouth (breath with it closed) recall last hour
[22:33] <velvetshaw> i do the nose thing, double take on a clock, look at my hands look around the room and ask if this is a dream
[22:33] <PercyLucid> what
[22:34] <PercyLucid> whait
[22:34] <@louie54> Yeah I usually just double take a digital clock
[22:34] <@louie54> What kind of clock do you use velvet?
[22:34] * PercyLucid looking around and making sure thereis no funny stuff
[22:34] <@louie54> lol I might do that myself
[22:34] <PercyLucid> but mainly, mainly, hands...I spend a couple of minutes looking at them, making sure all my fingers are there as well as lines, etc
[22:35] <velvetshaw> when i do a RC, i just look at the small clock on my computer, just recently i got a huge clock for my computer screen when i sleep
[22:35] <PercyLucid> do what louie54 ?
[22:35] <Linkster17> percy lucid(looking around and making sure thereis no funny stuff)if i remember that, i would become lucid in every dream
[22:35] <PercyLucid> I mainly do this:
[22:35] <@louie54> Check my surroundings
[22:35] <@louie54> It has to be digital
[22:36] <Linkster17> some always weird in my dreams
[22:36] <Linkster17> *something
[22:36] <@louie54> We use digital clocks because the numbers have a harder time restabilizing themselves when you look away and look back
[22:36] <PercyLucid> - OK. All threes are with their roots underthe floor, they are not moving oddly, their color is normal. The cars are on their wheels, all cars moving have people inside. I look at people, to make sure all are humans,then I look at the sky. If I am alone, I focus on a high point and I intend to be there. If I am still in the same spots, passes. I might try to jump as well
[22:36] <@louie54> Same goes for small text
[22:37] <PercyLucid> that is more or less for the surrounding check
[22:37] <@louie54> Thats good percy
[22:37] <@louie54> Being aware in general is good, and making sure you're not dreaming is better
[22:37] <velvetshaw> oh man that sounds like some trippy dreams
[22:38] <PercyLucid> yep
[22:38] <PercyLucid> I do that all the time
[22:38] <@louie54> What do you all do when you realize you're not dreaming
[22:38] <PercyLucid> plus some hand check and regular stuff
[22:38] <velvetshaw> *havnt lucid yet, backing out*
[22:38] <PercyLucid> I imagine what I would do if it was a dream. I visualize myself being able to fly and do stuff I wanted to do in that specific place I am.
[22:39] <PercyLucid> then
[22:39] <PercyLucid> I think and say tomyself
[22:39] <PercyLucid> "I will do that tonight when I getlucid"
[22:39] <@louie54> Awesome
[22:39] <@louie54> That's what i do
[22:39] <velvetshaw> wait
[22:39] <Linkster17> *appludes
[22:39] <velvetshaw> you think that in your dream?
[22:39] <@louie54> That's sort of where goals come in
[22:39] <PercyLucid> sorry for spacing, my stupid space is doing funny stuff (yes, I did RCed lol... I am awake, but in 10 mins I won't xD
[22:39] <@louie54> No, just what would it be like
[22:40] <@louie54> If you were dreaming
[22:40] <@louie54> What would you do
[22:40] <@louie54> That kind of thing
[22:40] <velvetshaw> oh i get it
[22:40] <@louie54> I feel this is important, do you all have goals?
[22:40] <@louie54> I sure do
[22:40] <velvetshaw> that interesting, thats something i havnt been doing
[22:40] <Linkster17> yep
[22:40] <velvetshaw> for sure
[22:41] <@louie54> What is your main goal? Why do you want to become lucid?
[22:41] <@louie54> Mine is simply flying
[22:41] <velvetshaw> i started to become more intereted in lucid dreaming because i have terrible sleeping habits and a problem of staying up late
[22:41] <Linkster17> well i have alot of goals, but my main one right now is to meet my dream guide
[22:42] <velvetshaw> i wanted an incentive to go to sleep at night
[22:42] <velvetshaw> as far as dream goals
[22:42] <velvetshaw> i would love to meet my Dream guide
[22:42] <@louie54> Hmm
[22:42] <PercyLucid> well
[22:42] <PercyLucid> mine
[22:42] <PercyLucid> is to
[22:42] <PercyLucid> find out more aboutmy inner self when I am fully lucid
[22:43] <@louie54> I wouldn't mind doing that either
[22:43] <PercyLucid> I have accomplished some, in my journal for more info
[22:43] <@louie54> I tried it once
[22:43] <PercyLucid> louie54
[22:43] <@louie54> Yes?
[22:43] <PercyLucid> if you wanna read one of mines,might inpireyou
[22:43] <PercyLucid> I had a revelation lucid
[22:43] <@louie54> Yeah that would be good
[22:44] <@louie54> Pm or here?
[22:44] <@louie54> I guess here
[22:45] <Linkster17> *tick tock
[22:45] <PercyLucid> http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=95718
[22:45] <PercyLucid> sorry, I had to submit the dreams firsts
[22:45] <PercyLucid> it's close to the last one
[22:46] <velvetshaw> oh damn percylucid, im a fan
[22:46] <@louie54> Ok I'll check it out sometime
[22:46] <velvetshaw> i didnt recongnize your name, but i know your avatar
[22:46] <velvetshaw> nice to meet you ^.^
[22:46] <@louie54> Ok let's continue
[22:46] <PercyLucid> Revelations (DEILD) is that one
[22:47] <@louie54> I reality check, and I try to make sure everything is in place
[22:47] <@louie54> If I'm not dreaming...
[22:47] <@louie54> Then
[22:47] <PercyLucid> OK dudes, and I have to go, I will NOT disconnect,so I read the log tomorrow
[22:47] <@louie54> I try to think about what would happen if I were, and I think of my goal to fly
[22:47] <@louie54> Ok then
[22:47] <@louie54> Bye
[22:47] <PercyLucid> thanks professor
[22:47] <PercyLucid> and sweet lucid dreams to you all
[22:48] <PercyLucid> next Wednesday I willbe able to stay until the end
[22:48] <@louie54> Good luck, see you next week
[22:48] <Linkster17> see u then
[22:48] <Linkster17> lucid dreams to you and all
[22:49] <@louie54> Ok
[22:49] <@louie54> Where were we
[22:49] <@louie54> If I realize I'm not dreaming
[22:49] <@louie54> I think about my main goal
[22:49] <@louie54> And imagine what would I do
[22:50] <@louie54> Like say if you're sitting there at the computer
[22:50] <@louie54> You find out you're dreaming right now
[22:50] <@louie54> What would you do?
[22:50] <@louie54> You can answer if you like
[22:50] <velvetshaw> i would feel like had so many options, i wish i knew how to call out my DG lol
[22:51] <Linkster17> <velvetshaw> i would feel like had so many options, i wish i knew how to call out my DG lol(me too)\
[22:51] <@louie54> What do you guys think your dream guide would be like?
[22:51] <Linkster17> smash through my wall and hunt 4 my DG
[22:51] <@louie54> I think mine would be my former psychologist
[22:51] <Linkster17> no idea
[22:51] <Linkster17> uhh
[22:51] <velvetshaw> i think mine would be some what of a trainer
[22:51] <@louie54> This is where schemas sort of come in
[22:52] <@louie54> An example of a schema is
[22:52] <@louie54> Asking for a dog from someone at the pound who works there
[22:52] <Linkster17> oh, i thought you misspelled it
[22:52] <@louie54> Or if you want to get into a shoot out
[22:52] <@louie54> Go to the gun shop
[22:53] <@louie54> You probably won't find a weapon in a church
[22:53] <@louie54> Use your dream content to your advantage
[22:54] <@louie54> So for me, if I wanted to meet my dream guide (I suspect a psychologist)
[22:54] <@louie54> I would go to his office
[22:54] <@louie54> You get what I'm saying?
[22:55] <Linkster17> yep
[22:55] <velvetshaw> i understand what your saying, its just hard to put in perspective
[22:55] <velvetshaw> but i guess tha sfor me to find out =]
[22:55] <Linkster17> yep
[22:56] <@louie54> Ok
[22:56] <@louie54> Let's go over dream signs and that should be it for tonight
[22:56] <@louie54> velvet, do you have a dream sign?
[22:56] <velvetshaw> none
[22:57] <velvetshaw> that i know of yet at least
[22:57] <@louie54> You don't need one
[22:57] <@louie54> But they help
[22:57] <@louie54> In your dream journal you, may see a pattern
[22:58] <@louie54> A common occurance/object
[22:58] <@louie54> If you are in a dream, for example, and you come accross a red ball for like the millionth time
[22:59] <@louie54> You may want to start reality checking to the ball in real life
[22:59] <@louie54> So you can also eventually do that in the dream
[22:59] <@louie54> You get it?
[22:59] <velvetshaw> yup
[22:59] <Linkster17> yep
[23:00] <@louie54> Another way to go about doing this
[23:00] <@louie54> Is that it doesn't have to be in your dream
[23:00] <@louie54> It involves picking a few occurances in your daily life
[23:00] <@louie54> to reality check to
[23:00] <@louie54> For example, "I will reality check everytime I see a red car"
[23:01] <@louie54> Write that in your journal, and do it
[23:01] <@louie54> You can pick more than one
[23:01] <velvetshaw> can you force a dream sign like that?
[23:01] <@louie54> Yes
[23:01] <@louie54> It has helped me
[23:01] <@louie54> A lot
[23:01] <@louie54> but it's hard because
[23:02] <@louie54> The more you have, the easier it is to DILD
[23:02] <@louie54> However
[23:02] <@louie54> It takes a lot of mental effort to remember
[23:02] <velvetshaw> oh wow it makes sense
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[23:02] <@louie54> Ok yeah leave without saying bye
[23:02] <@louie54> Anyway
[23:02] <@louie54> I use to have around 4
[23:03] <@louie54> I had a few DILDs from it
[23:03] <@louie54> But it got tiring easily
[23:04] <@louie54> I feel like I talk a lot
[23:04] <velvetshaw> ?
[23:04] <@louie54> Anyway, any questions?
[23:04] <velvetshaw> why was it tiring?
[23:05] <@louie54> It takes a great deal of mental effort to be able to remember to reality check, the more dream signs you have
[23:05] <Linkster17> you have to remember to do it everytime, constantly remind yourself or you forget
[23:05] <@louie54> Right
[23:05] <velvetshaw> so 4 is alot?
[23:05] <@louie54> Well it depends on you really
[23:05] <@louie54> For me yes
[23:05] <velvetshaw> ahh i see
[23:06] <@louie54> Anymore qustions?
[23:06] <Linkster17> i dont think so
[23:06] <@louie54> velvet?
[23:07] <velvetshaw> i think im good for tonight
[23:07] <@louie54> Ok
[23:07] <@louie54> That concludes todays class
[23:07] <@louie54> Join me next week to find out the most effective technique, in my opinion- Share
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