Thread: Justin Bieber Discussion

Originally Posted by Dianeva

The amount of damage they do isn't comparable, just like a pin prick isn't comparable to being stabbed. But they both involve sensations of pain, so you can explain to someone what it might be like to be stabbed by comparing the sensation to a pin prick and saying "it's like that but worse". (Except in this case "it's like that but not as bad.")



I wouldn't consider techno music to be nearly as bad. I don't listen to it, but it doesn't contain words, does it? It probably has a neutral effect on the mind. The fast pace might even serve to motivate you. My problem with Justin Bieber's music and other music like it isn't that it doesn't cultivate the mind. It's that it does the opposite. It distorts people's senses of reality and deadens the mind.



First off, you're accusing me of having a false premise, not of being biased.

There are some bad TV sitcoms that sicken me. Those ones where the wife is a stay-at-home bitch who never wants sex and frequently yells at her husband for no good reason, and the husband is an emotionless lazy beer-loving idiot. Such shows may be exaggerated versions of what some family structures are in real life, and that's why people enjoy watching them initially. But they only serve to enforce the stereotypes, to distort people's views of reality and hinder any progress in the opposite direction, away from those stereotypes.

Frequently listening to Bieber and music like his has a similar effect on young girls. It gives them a distorted view of love. It makes relationships sound so unrealistically simple that, when they end up with relationships of their own, they'll give up on a person who is even slightly flawed, or if any small thing goes wrong.

Not only that, but the girls who listen to the music are often infatuated with Justin Bieber himself, who they can never have, leaving them with a faulty sense of loss. I suspect that a lot of these girls use him to compare any potential boyfriends with, and are likely to be attracted only to boys who are similar to Bieber. This sets a standard for boys in the same age group, to act like Justin Bieber. If he fails to treat his girlfriend like a goddess, to put her first always, smiling all the while, he'll likely be thrown aside.

I'm shocked. Are you uncapable of arguing on an objective basis? Don't you understand that this is not about how YOU feel, it's about how the listeners feel. They want this kind of music. They like this kind of music. It has a personal value to them. It's not up to YOU to decide whether or not it's good enough.

I'm surprised that you repeatedly form arguments based solely on your own belief, and then state them as if they were facts.

Murder and listening to Justin Bieber is still not comparable. A murder is direct action with a direct effect. Correct me if I'm rephrasing your words poorly here, but what you're trying to say is basically: If you listen to Justin biebers music, this and this and this will happen indirectly and that's bad for you.

This statement is once again not backed up by any scientific data, just your own opinion.

Perhaps you could also answer my question above? Does my own personal hatred towards the fast and the furious movies justify oppression towards the fans of the movie?

Originally Posted by XeL

I'm shocked. Are you uncapable of arguing on an objective basis? Don't you understand that this is not about how YOU feel, it's about how the listeners feel. They want this kind of music. They like this kind of music. It has a personal value to them. It's not up to YOU to decide whether or not it's good enough.

People can listen to whatever they want, but it's still bad for them, like smoking. What I described isn't just how I personally feel about it. It's how just about everyone would feel if they took the time to think about what the songs' lyrics are saying and what mindsets they cause listeners to have.

Originally Posted by XeL

Murder and listening to Justin Bieber is still not comparable. A murder is direct action with a direct effect.

And this is an action with a less direct effect. I don't see the problem.

Originally Posted by XeL

This statement is once again not backed up by any scientific data, just your own opinion.

The consequences I mentioned seem likely to me, based on my experiences, in listening to similar music when I was younger and witnessing others listening to similar music now.

Originally Posted by XeL

Does my own personal hatred towards the fast and the furious movies justify oppression towards the fans of the movie?

Not opression. It might justify you looking down upon the people who like the movie. It depends on what your problem with it is.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

People can listen to whatever they want, but it's still bad for them, like smoking. What I described isn't just how I personally feel about it. It's how just about everyone would feel if they took the time to think about what the songs' lyrics are saying and what mindsets they cause listeners to have.

I don't agree. Are you also under the conception that violent video games make the vast majority of the players more violent? Does pornography make all men believe that women love to get cum all over their faces?

And this is an action with a less direct effect. I don't see the problem.

It's not comparable since you're assuming that there is a general effect which you can apply on all people listening to Justin Bieber. A murder can only be one thing. Object A kills object B without the consent of object B. A stated fact which you can apply on all murders.

I can agree that his songs promote certain values or ideas, but that itself doesn't doesn't give girls a disorted idea of love. It might in some rare cases contribute, just like violent video games in extremely rare cases contribute to make people more violent. Does that fact alone make video games bad?

The consequences I mentioned seem likely to me, based on my experiences, in listening to similar music when I was younger and witnessing others listening to similar music now.

I disagree. My experience says otherwise. To me it sounds like you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Not opression. It might justify you looking down upon the people who like the movie. It depends on what your problem with it is.

It promotes the absence of all the things you stated in a previous post.

Justin Bieber made it cool for white kids to act black. And there's nothing wrong with that, jack. Feel me?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Justin Bieber made it cool for white kids to act black. And there's nothing wrong with that, jack. Feel me?

Originally Posted by seroquel

That's DIFFERENT. >:{

Justin Bieber made it cool for black kids to act like white kids acting black. And when you look at what's "black" nowadays, it's basically dressing like some corny white kid from the early 90s. Fucking hipsters mang.