The Dark Knight Rises

**Oneironaut Zero** · 12-19-2011 10:16 PM

Official Trailer:

I'm still not sold on Anne Hathaway as Catwoman and/or Selina Kyle (yet), and I hope they don't spend all their time and energy on exposition (and really put in some better work in their fight sequences than in the previous films), but I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't really excited about this.

**Original Poster** · 12-20-2011 12:42 AM

It is somewhat interesting to me that there was very little batman in the preview.

But I I don't know if the story is going to be any good.

**Oneironaut Zero** · 12-20-2011 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

It is somewhat interesting to me that there was very little batman in the preview.

Exactly. And not 'interesting' in a 'good' way.

**Xei** · 12-22-2011 07:15 AM

I bet Batman wins.

**Oneironaut Zero** · 12-22-2011 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

I bet Batman wins.

He may win, but if it's anything like this story arc in the comics, he's going to get:

Spoiler for Crrrrrrack!:

As much as I love Batman, seeing that happen in a movie would be worth the price of admission, alone.

**Grod** · 12-24-2011 09:05 PM

I had a very hard time understanding what Bane was saying. I get that it's part of his character and image, but I really hope he's understandable when the movie comes out.

What are they going to do about Heath Ledger? 'Cause he's dead and all but...in The Dark Knight Rises they have to say at least something about why the Joker doesn't make an appearance.

**Xei** · 12-25-2011 02:03 AM

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...prison?

**Original Poster** · 12-25-2011 02:32 AM

Never stopped him before.

**Xei** · 12-29-2011 03:45 AM

Okay you're right, they need to add that he got cancer or something, prison isn't a coherent reason for somebody to not be in the film.

(Sarcasm O).

**cmind** · 12-30-2011 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

Okay you're right, they need to add that he got cancer or something, prison isn't a coherent reason for somebody to not be in the film.

(Sarcasm O).

He escaped from prison not once, but twice in the current Batman movie arc. Your explanation is vacuous and unbelievable, given the nature of the character.

**Xei** · 12-30-2011 01:19 AM

So you're saying Joker's absence in this film due to being in prison is a plot hole which they need to address? Okay bro.

**SpaceCowboyDave** · 12-30-2011 01:50 AM

The Joker can't come back because Heath Ledger bit it.

The Dark Knight is my favorite movie, and I doubt this well be quite as good but hopefully they won't screw it up too much.

**cmind** · 12-30-2011 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

So you're saying Joker's absence in this film due to being in prison is a plot hole which they need to address? Okay bro.

Given that the whole point of the Joker was that he couldn't be imprisoned, it seems odd that suddenly he was. Why don't you understand this?

**Oneironaut Zero** · 12-30-2011 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

So you're saying Joker's absence in this film due to being in prison is a plot hole which they need to address? Okay bro.

The reason I didn't realize you were being sarcastic is because the idea that prison is a sufficient enough reason for the Joker to not be in the movie is kinda ridiculous, given the character.

**Xei** · 12-30-2011 04:01 AM

Well, they just put him in a really good prison. Y'know like, stripped him naked and put him in a concrete box to be fed through a tube. The film is supposed to have a realistic tone and prisons aren't always practically escapable in real life. I just mean to say that calling it a plot hole is silly, a coherent reason for his absence is there, as opposed to what Grod suggested, I assume because he forgot. At the very least if you have to concede that it's not unreasonable that he could be unable to escape for the duration of the film.

**Xox** · 01-02-2012 06:41 PM

I hope scarecrow makes more of an appearance.

**LbV** · 01-03-2012 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Xox

I hope scarecrow makes more of an appearance.

Wouldn't take much more to improve on his cameo in The Dark Knight.

**Grod** · 01-04-2012 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

Well, they just put him in a really good prison. Y'know like, stripped him naked and put him in a concrete box to be fed through a tube. The film is supposed to have a realistic tone and prisons aren't always practically escapable in real life. I just mean to say that calling it a plot hole is silly, a coherent reason for his absence is there, as opposed to what Grod suggested, I assume because he forgot. At the very least if you have to concede that it's not unreasonable that he could be unable to escape for the duration of the film.

Well yeah okay, but part of the Joker is that mysterious aura and animalistic energy that makes him impossible to hold down. He always escapes from prison. That's like, his thing. As others have said, he's escaped twice in the movie series so far and countless times in the comics.

It's a comic book movie, nothing is really unreasonable. Yeah, these are 'srs' films compared to Spiderman but it's still about a fucking comic book character. It sucks for the series that Ledger died half way through it. They're going to have to come up with a contrived reason, no matter what, for why the Joker isn't there.

"You know that guy the Joker, you know, the one who always escapes from prison somehow??? Well, not this time! Yeah, I guess they were all just like, shitty prisons before. Yeah. "

**Original Poster** · 01-04-2012 10:10 AM

Contrived is the key word here. Without the actor, no explanation wouldn't sound contrived. Even the idea of a really good prison.

But since they're ending the series here, they'll probably ignore him completely. Or maybe Gordon will say he broke out again at the very end just to give it a feeling of continuity.

**Grod** · 01-06-2012 09:54 PM

Ignoring the Joker completely is probably their best solution. I mean, they never mentioned Ra's al Ghul again - but then again, he died. Each film in this Batman series has felt fairly standalone so I don't think it'd be that big of deal if the Joker isn't mentioned again. It'd be better than coming up with some hokey reason why he isn't around.