Thread: Atheist Experience (t.v. show Austin)

Originally Posted by Mark75

I don't need to explain the exact reaction and list the precise quantities of exactly which ingredients and products is occuring when I light a match to be able to prove that matches burn. You're being unresonable. Besides, I told you already I don't know a lot about the subject, only that I know enough to see you don't know anything at all. However, there are others here who do. Take it up with them instead. Maybe they have more patience to deal with your bullshit, too.

Awwww did I piss off the Powty Woty Markee?? Oh Noes' are we gonna Cry now like a wittle baby?

Man I'm just messing around with you don't get so freakin emotional. It's all fun and game.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Awwww did I piss off the Powty Woty Markee?? Oh Noes' are we gonna Cry now like a wittle baby?

Man I'm just messing around with you don't get so freakin emotional. It's all fun and game.

See, now this is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Are you even reading the posts you're arguing against? I can't actually bring myself to believe that you are upon seeing the one where you suddenly started talking about your Playstation. Why do you go to such lengths to make yourself look bad?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

The progression of technology has little to do with actual Evolution. Technology is a man-made concept, and thus only progresses as fast as we can produce. Also, look up Moore's Law. All this next-gen stuff is simply a marketting ploy. Surely you should be aware of that.

I doubt the marketing ploy stuff. Pac-Man surely isn't on par with GTA IV.

So are you saying technology doesn't evolve?

Originally Posted by Mark75

See, now this is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about.

Damn you're sensitive.

What kind of reaction are you expecting? You came in here and vomited all over our intelligence.

Originally Posted by Mark75

What kind of reaction are you expecting? You came in here and vomited all over our intelligence.

That's not true Mark75 and I resent that! On the otherhand I've been here, you came in after me.

You know what? It doesn't even matter.

Good. Now fuck off.

Retard!

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I doubt the marketing ploy stuff. Pac-Man surely isn't on par with GTA IV.

So are you saying technology doesn't evolve?

Moore's Law is more indicative to the progression of technology. Evolution deals with the diversification of life, not the progression of technology. Technology is dependent on a whole bunch of different mechanisms, all of them harnessed and constructed by humans. Evolution is a natural process by which life speciates and adapts to the environment. Two different things completely. Also, I don't see populations of Pentium 4 Prescott CPU's evolving into Core 2 Duo Conroe processors. Two different products, each designed differently, the latter making use of better manufacturing processes and processor design in order to create a more powerful CPU.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I would expect that from you. Answer my question with a question.

Idiot

No you idiot; clouds arte a naturally occuring phenomenon. Just like DNA.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Humans are the only creatures that are spiritually expressive.

"Spiritually expressive" is a meaningless term, so if you want it to be true then I guess it is.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

LOL. Okay so what do you think we evolved from. Let's see if you know what the Hell you'er talking about.

We evolved from earlier Hominids, who evolved from earlier placental mammals, who evolved from earlier Reptillian mammals, and before that my memory fails, I'll have to go check.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I understand exactly what evolution is. I know In biology, evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. This process causes organisms to change over time. Inherited traits are the expression of genes that are passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in the appearance of heritable differences between organisms. Such new traits also come from the transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift. However I'm asking Mark75 to back up his claim.

NO U IDIOT.

What you described is mutation caused by problems in copying the DNA molecule-- Which does happen --However the main driving force behind evolution is simple:

You have a population.

The organisms that are not suited to their immediate environment die off, and probably didn't get to reproduce, thus narrowing the gene pool for the next generation.

The ones that survived, however, are probably suited to the environment or just got lucky, so they get to make more organisms, and thus we have adaptation.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No you idiot; clouds arte a naturally occuring phenomenon. Just like DNA.

What makes you think DNA occurred here on Earth naturally?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

"Spiritually expressive" is a meaningless term, so if you want it to be true then I guess it is.

And why is it a meaningless term?

Originally Posted by Siesmosaur

We evolved from earlier Hominids, who evolved from earlier placental mammals, who evolved from earlier Reptillian mammals, and before that my memory fails, I'll have to go check.

I know that already, that you people think we evolved from reptillian-mammals, I had that debate already weeks ago with Taosaur.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And why is it a meaningless term?

Because it is a completely subjective term, and has no objective means to quantify it.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

What makes you think DNA occurred here on Earth naturally?




And why is it a meaningless term?




I know that already, that you people think we evolved from reptillian-mammals, I had that debate already weeks ago with Taosaur.

1. Because there is nothing to suggest even a remote possiblity that DNA is either an unnatural substance or was brought here in its completed form.

2. See bluefinger's post.

3. Then why are you asking quesiton that you already have answers to?

And if Evolution confuses you, which it clearly does, check out this site for a look at it:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Because it is a completely subjective term, and has no objective means to quantify it.

Is worshipping subjective?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Is worshipping subjective?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1. Because there is nothing to suggest even a remote possiblity that DNA is either an unnatural substance or was brought here in its completed form.

So what exactly suggest that DNA is a naturally occuring substance?

Stick around for this one on DNA because you are about to get a hard lesson taught to you.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

3. Then why are you asking quesiton that you already have answers to?

And what question did I ask?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Is worshipping subjective?

Yes, it is... due to the fact there are a whole spectra of different forms of belief and worship, all of them based upon subjective concepts such as the supernatural. What some other species considers spiritual (if the level of consciousness is there to enable such forms of cognition) may have no meaning to us, and vice versa.

ETA:

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So what exactly suggest that DNA is a naturally occuring substance?

Stick around for this one on DNA because you are about to get a hard lesson taught to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
This'll explain things quite well for you.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So what exactly suggest that DNA is a naturally occuring substance?

Stick around for this one on DNA because you are about to get a hard lesson taught to you.



And what question did I ask?

1. Because it is present in every single organism on the planet, you idiot.

2. "What did people evolve from?"

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Yes, it is... due to the fact there are a whole spectra of different forms of belief and worship, all of them based upon subjective concepts such as the supernatural. What some other species considers spiritual (if the level of consciousness is there to enable such forms of cognition) may have no meaning to us, and vice versa.

Really now, However it's not entirely subjective, because it is objectively good to incorporate roots in tradition. Many times Christians are comfortable with Whatever is clever in worship, however they sometimes don't consider that what they do may be as important as it seems to have an affect as how they FEEL when doing it. That's sounds pretty objective to me.

ETA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
This'll explain things quite well for you.[/quote]

How long is the video?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

1. Because it is present in every single organism on the planet, you idiot.

Isn't it amazing that we can find the origin for everything else that occurs naturally however for some reason DNA's origin eludes us. But yet it occurred here naturally by the way where's the proof? And don't give me People animals, plants, etc. DNA came first, so where exactly did it come from again? Also where did the information in DNA come from? Is that also naturally occuring?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

2. "What did people evolve from?"

Not reptilian-mammals thats for sure.

What did DNA evolve from?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Really now, However it's not entirely subjective, because it is objectively good to incorporate roots in tradition. Many times Christians are comfortable with Whatever is clever in worship, however they sometimes don't consider that what they do may be as important as it seems to have an affect as how they FEEL when doing it. That's sounds pretty objective to me.

Feelings, traditions and beliefs are subjective matters which do not concern science, and therefore have little meaning in objective matters. The only quantifiable behaviour that one could look for is that of rituals and behavioural patterns that seem to have little benefit in the survival of a specific species (burial rituals, offerings, etc). But for what constitutes as an experience is something that is defined by purely human and supernatural concepts, and may not relate at all to what another species might hold to be a spiritual experience.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

How long is the video?

9 minutes and 59 seconds long. Pretty concise considering the content as well.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Isn't it amazing that we can find the origin for everything else that occurs naturally however for some reason DNA's origin eludes us. But yet it occurred here naturally by the way where's the proof? And don't give me People animals, plants, etc. DNA came first, so where exactly did it come from again? Also where did the information in DNA come from? Is that also naturally occuring?

Not reptilian-mammals thats for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU Another vid for you to see. 10:30 long, but very good. All about the transitional fossils ID proponents and creationists love to claim that don't exist.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

What did DNA evolve from?

DNA is Deoxyribonucleic Acid. It is a polymer consisting of a phosphate molecule, a ribose sugar molecule and a base protein, with two chains in a double helix structure. DNA is essentially a chemical polymer, and thus when looking into how it came to be, the question becomes that of chemistry. This enters the field of abiogenesis, not evolution.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Feelings, traditions and beliefs are subjective matters which do not concern science, and therefore have little meaning in objective matters. The only quantifiable behaviour that one could look for is that of rituals and behavioural patterns that seem to have little benefit in the survival of a specific species (burial rituals, offerings, etc). But for what constitutes as an experience is something that is defined by purely human and supernatural concepts, and may not relate at all to what another species might hold to be a spiritual experience.

So if I strive for the greater good in this world based off my spiritual teachings, you mean to tell me this is not an objective motive?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

DNA is Deoxyribonucleic Acid. It is a polymer consisting of a phosphate molecule, a ribose sugar molecule and a base protein, with two chains in a double helix structure. DNA is essentially a chemical polymer, and thus when looking into how it came to be, the question becomes that of chemistry. This enters the field of abiogenesis, not evolution.

Okay, good now from all the molecules that incorporates DNA, which one or others of these molecules gives DNA it's information?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So if I strive for the greater good in this world based off my spiritual teachings, you mean to tell me this is not an objective motive?

Things like good and evil are subjective concepts. There is no such thing as objective morality.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Okay, good now from all the molecules that incorporates DNA, which one or others of these molecules gives DNA it's information?

Technically, it is all a specialised structure and framework for self replication. The base proteins have specific bonds which allow only certain pairs to bond together. So when DNA replicates, only the appropriate nucleotides can bond to the appropriate segment in the DNA strand. Not so much information as it is a chemical reaction (specifically, a polymerisation reaction). It is simply a physical framework, like how certain keys only open certain locks. The notches may count as information, but in reality, they are simply just that, notches.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Really now, However it's not entirely subjective, because it is objectively good to incorporate roots in tradition. Many times Christians are comfortable with Whatever is clever in worship, however they sometimes don't consider that what they do may be as important as it seems to have an affect as how they FEEL when doing it. That's sounds pretty objective to me.

ETA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
This'll explain things quite well for you.

How long is the video?



Isn't it amazing that we can find the origin for everything else that occurs naturally however for some reason DNA's origin eludes us. But yet it occurred here naturally by the way where's the proof? And don't give me People animals, plants, etc. DNA came first, so where exactly did it come from again? Also where did the information in DNA come from? Is that also naturally occuring?



Not reptilian-mammals thats for sure.

What did DNA evolve from?[/QUOTE]

DNA's origin can be found as much as the origin of water; but you don't see water being manufactured now do you?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

So if I strive for the greater good in this world based off my spiritual teachings, you mean to tell me this is not an objective motive?




Okay, good now from all the molecules that incorporates DNA, which one or others of these molecules gives DNA it's information?

1. Yes, it is subjective.

2. None.

What component of glucose holds information? Well none. It is the end result of chemical reactions.

Damn did you do a Piss poor job of explaining where DNA originated from.