Thread: free speech zone

Originally Posted by Xei

Hmm no.

Is Europe better then? Where you can't even deny the holocaust in half of it and even in countries as westernized as France they can fine you for criticizing some of their leaders/laws? Britain isn't so bad, but that's not all of Europe. Is South America or Asia in general better than us in regards to free speech? I should think not. But the U.S. and Canada as a whole are better than Europe as a whole. Australia's hate speech laws are more restrictive than Canada's. And the U.S. doesn't even have hate speech laws. If you reject my claim that North America in general has the best freedom of speech, then please give me an alternative.

Originally Posted by spockman

Is Europe better then? Where you can't even deny the holocaust in half of it and even in countries as westernized as France they can fine you for criticizing some of their leaders/laws? Britain isn't so bad, but that's not all of Europe. Is South America or Asia in general better than us in regards to free speech? I should think not. But the U.S. and Canada as a whole are better than Europe as a whole. Australia's hate speech laws are more restrictive than Canada's. And the U.S. doesn't even have hate speech laws. If you reject my claim that North America in general has the best freedom of speech, then please give me an alternative.

I think not being able to deny the holocaust pales in comparison to people being arrested for not obliging the authorities when they were told they were only allowed to practice free speech where nobody could see them.

I don't really get why you're insisting on taking the averages of entire continents anyway, I don't think fricking plate tectonics has much to do with any of this.

Originally Posted by Xei

I think not being able to deny the holocaust pales in comparison to people being arrested for not obliging the authorities when they were told they were only allowed to practice free speech where nobody could see them.

I don't really get why you're insisting on taking the averages of entire continents anyway, I don't think fricking plate tectonics has much to do with any of this.

Who was arrested for excercising their free speech outside of the zones? Who? I don't know that it has ever happened. If anything, the zones are pointless since we have free speech regardless. The point is that unlike a lot of what is being said, America has free speech that ties with the most free in the world. We don't have to average continents, anyway. It was just easier than looking at each of the westernized countires seperately. Plus, I hate when people bash the rights we are losing in the U.S., (I don't deny that we have lost a lot,) and ignore how f'ed up Europe is all over the place. Looking at individual countries, the U.S. has good free speech. Britain does, too. Canada is pretty decent. I can't think of other nations that equal these, though.

Originally Posted by spockman

Who was arrested for excercising their free speech outside of the zones? Who? I don't know that it has ever happened. If anything, the zones are pointless since we have free speech regardless. The point is that unlike a lot of what is being said, America has free speech that ties with the most free in the world. We don't have to average continents, anyway. It was just easier than looking at each of the westernized countires seperately. Plus, I hate when people bash the rights we are losing in the U.S., (I don't deny that we have lost a lot,) and ignore how f'ed up Europe is all over the place. Looking at individual countries, the U.S. has good free speech. Britain does, too. Canada is pretty decent. I can't think of other nations that equal these, though.

You should avoid naturalistic fallacies. They're bad for you.

Just because we have more flexible policies on free speech than any other country, doesn't mean we ought not to complain when we lose them.

why when asked if you think a free speech zone is counter intuitive do you just compare america to the rest of the world. stop changing the subject. we dont need to compare america with china or england. we need to go back to a more libertarian america. all you guys do is blah blah america is better than china, no shit. wow, something to be proud of. blah blah, america is better than england. great, thats why we left that dumb place. stop comparing us to them, worry about returning to what made america great.

There's plenty.

Freedom of speech by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The States is pretty great but it's not the lone bastion of freedom that, judging by the rhetoric from within, almost everybody living there thinks it is. There's 12 countries above you in the human development index which measures political freedom among other factors, including all of the Scandinavian countries.

As I said earlier in the thread, the number of arrests made under this free speech zone thing are pretty small; as are those under 'hate speech' laws. They're covered here:

Free speech zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't only allowing pro-Bush signs near Bush seem pretty bad to you, though?

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Originally Posted by poopman

This is somewhat related to this conversation. FOXNews.com - Pentagon Destroys Copies of Controversial Memoir Written by Army Officer seems like a bunch of bs to me, but im sure ill be called unpatriotic...or collaborating with al qaeda. thoughts? more thought provoking info here White House invokes state secrets privilege to block targeted killings suit - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I doubt anyone will wig at you over that here on DV. Besides... Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.