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      Well, the thing about the dream plane is that it's an extension of your subconscious, so no thing ever really comes from nothing. If you could create something from nothing (in a creative sense), then you would be able to dream up new colors. I wish you the best of luck if you want to try to do so, but it's simply not possible. In the sense that the dreamscape or objects in the dreamscape simply come from nothing; that's not how dreaming works. The mind simply creates a projection of of an array of previously encountered or created sensory input.

      For the record, nothing isn't something. By definition, nothing is the lack of 'things'. Our concept of nothing is something, but nothingness itself is not a thing. That I think is what a lot of people are confused by when they speak of the nature of 'nothing'.


      And last, logic is demonstrably predictive of the nature of the universe (even in quantum mechanics, contrary to popular belief; look up quantum computing). Therefore logic must apply to our observed universe. It's not a matter of whether or not our perceived universe is a logical one; rather it is a matter of whether or not our perception of the universe only appears to be logical, when in fact it might only be our own self-maintained inherently logical reality that merely seems to be logical.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MindGames View Post
      Therefore logic must apply to our observed universe. It's not a matter of whether or not our perceived universe is a logical one; rather it is a matter of whether or not our perception of the universe only appears to be logical, when in fact it might only be our own self-maintained inherently logical reality that merely seems to be logical.
      Your last conclusion is similar to Kant's transcendental idealism which states that the mind imposes categories(space, time, causality) upon our experience. I agree with this type of idealism more than Berkeley's or Leibniz's idealism because Kant actually believed there was a physical objective world but we imposed these categories on our experience of it.

      The Copenhagen interpretation implies that our perception plays a major role in shaping reality which I think is the most startling and exciting consequences of quantum physics. This is reconcilable with Kant's transcendental idealism because they both suggest that the mind has a fundamental role in shaping the way we experience the world as opposed to the empiricist position that our experience of the world shapes our minds.

      Perhaps the question "can something come out of nothing?" is a result of causality imposed on our experience? Causality is one way we make logical sense of the world so I think this question counters our basic everyday experience so it seems absurd.
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