This makes my personal argument better than I could. |
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With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States coming up, it occurs to me that I am somewhat ignorant as to the exact causes. The common supposition is that the Civil War was "fought over slavery". That is, that the South wanted slaves and the North wanted to abolish it. The South seceeded, and the North fought to "preserve the Union" and out of pure compassion for the enslaved. |
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Last edited by cedward1; 04-09-2011 at 05:44 PM.
This makes my personal argument better than I could. |
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war of compromises. there was no one reason, but at the end of it everyone was compromising with each other. biggest reason was representation between the big states and small states. |
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We fought the civil war because at the time, a huge chunk of the economy was based on the cotton, hemp, and tobacco, which was largely done in the south. We needed them at the time. If they want to try to leave again, I would be for letting them go. |
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Abraham Lincoln was a major abolitionist. He adamantly opposed slavery and ran for president on the promise that he would end slavery if elected. However, he still said racist things against black people while maintaining that they have rights and need to be treated humanely. I think he said the racist stuff to win over racist votes. Politicians have always played games like that. By conceding a little, you win people from the other side. I think that's all he was doing, probably. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Hey I'm not sure if any of you have heard of George Fitzhugh but he was one of the lead spokesman for the slave owner's in the south during the time of the civil war. He offered quite possibly some of the strongest arguments for the black slave trade, and some of them are quite interesting. For instance in his book Cannibals All!(Here's a nice excerpt Pro Slavery Argument from Cannibals All! | Teach US History) he basically says look, the reason you northerners are against slavery is because you're anti-negro racists. We are not racist, we think you should take care of your subject, so we treat them nicely. We even do this on economic grounds because they are our capital. |
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I suggest Thomas DiLorenzo's The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War. |
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Last edited by BLUELINE976; 04-15-2011 at 03:01 AM.
The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
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SpecialInterests, that is an interesting point, but I think owning people against their will qualifies as not treating them nicely. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Walter Williams: |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
So Lincoln ended slavery in most American slave states just for a political gimmick? That might be true. Politicians are interested in power above all else. But I do give him credit for ending the slavery he ended, no matter how selfish his real motives were. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Well obviously slavery came to an end, just not in the way we all learned in school. The credit you give him shouldn't be worth much. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
So...the north wanted the south's awesome shit and beautiful women...The south said hell no and got their asses handed to them. |
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It was also an illegal war. Imagine if Germany finally said forget the EU, because the EU is holding them back and hurting their economy because of the stuff in Spain and Greece, and they quit. Then the EU invaded Germany and forced them to stay. That is what basically happened. |
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