ABORTION: Where do you stand?

**Descensus** · 05-23-2011 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by buriedmonsters

What makes an "experience"? This is a pretty broad term you're throwing around. A fetus has the ability to have experiences within it's limited environment. It cries, it hiccups, it practices breathing, it has emotion and thought, it's heart beats, it's limbs move, it's cells multiply. Those are all experiences that make us human. Just because it cannot literally talk to you and have a conversation does not mean it's not life and not to be valued. Many people cannot talk to you or have any kind of intelligent interaction. Infact, many people have the existence of a fetus really; being cared for, basic bodily functions, base emotions. But we cannot chop those people up and throw them away, can we?

I thought you weren't here to debate the meanings of words...

All of the things you listed are subconscious actions, except for emotion and thought, and thus don't matter. The fetus has no control over those. Regarding emotion and thought, I would like to see some sources showing that fetuses possess such attributes.

**buriedmonsters** · 05-23-2011 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I thought you weren't here to debate the meanings of words...

Sorry, I'm not a mind reader, and some things I really do need clarified.

**buriedmonsters** · 05-23-2011 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

All of the things you listed are subconscious actions, except for emotion and thought, and thus don't matter. The fetus has no control over those. Regarding emotion and thought, I would like to see some sources showing that fetuses possess such attributes.

Well, actually emotions can really be subconcious actions too. Some brain dead people cry, or smile, so it's very difficult to pick out what action is subconcious and what is not, especially since as far as I know, neither of us are professionals on the subject. How do you know that a fetus does not cry because it's sad, or smile because it is happy? The burden of proof is as heavy on you as it is on me.

Furthermore, you have ignored all of my questions, which makes me think you don't really have answers to them.