Thread: what is the point of this bullshit.

Every human sees in other humans what he sees in himself. It is all a projection of perception. You don't understand how others can be happy unless you can be happy yourself. Nobody thinks like you, and you don't think like them. It really is that simple.

Some people live with the pit of darkness, others free of it. But you do have the power to let it go when you're willing to see it for what it is. You don't need to try hard either, you simply have to give up that belief, because that belief causes you sorrow, and you'd be happy without it. It is then when true meaning becomes clearer, and you would have found it out for yourself.

Originally Posted by really

Some people live with the pit of darkness, others free of it. But you do have the power to let it go when you're willing to see it for what it is.

See what for what what is? I'm seeing this phrase a lot around here, "see it for what it is", and I'd like for simplicity's sake some clarification. You know, to make all this kind of philosophical talk a little less cryptic and pretentious. Maybe use this phrase in a daily life example.

Also, what are real life daily things you can do to be more whole and content, in plain English? Meditate, I guess?

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

See what for what what is? I'm seeing this phrase a lot around here, "see it for what it is", and I'd like for simplicity's sake some clarification. You know, to make all this kind of philosophical talk a little less cryptic and pretentious. Maybe use this phrase in a daily life example.

See it in context. See it resolved. Understand what it means. See it for what it is. Because whenever you see something for what it is, you don't have any questions left, and so you cannot be stressed about it.

Also, what are real life daily things you can do to be more whole and content, in plain English? Meditate, I guess?

Meditation is very typical, but it is also a very broad term. Quite effective if done properly and consistently. Everybody needs to meditate if they want to be happy. What else?

Originally Posted by really

See it in context. See it resolved. Understand what it means. See it for what it is. Because whenever you see something for what it is, you don't have any questions left, and so you cannot be stressed about it.

Okay, but what about an example? Like, oh I don't know, understanding depression, or why you're stuck in a financial rut, or....you know, something specific. Any example will do.

Meditation is very typical, but it is also a very broad term. Quite effective if done properly and consistently. Everybody needs to meditate if they want to be happy. What else?

What do you mean by what else?

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Okay, but what about an example? Like, oh I don't know, understanding depression, or why you're stuck in a financial rut, or....you know, something specific. Any example will do.

See OP: "what is the point of all this bullshit." Seeing it for what it is, you see it as a judgement that is being juiced. The judgement causes conflict in understanding the world, but at the same time it is being juiced because it creates a sense of egocentricity. To see it for what it is would mean to see that world-view as a perception/judgement that can be let go of with willingness, because if it was anything more than that we would all be feeling the same way to some degree, and that feeling could not be given up.

What do you mean by what else?

It is a question if you can think of anything else that would help you be truly happy. Everything that leads the way is essentially meditation in one way or another.

Originally Posted by really

See OP: "what is the point of all this bullshit." Seeing it for what it is, you see it as a judgement that is being juiced. The judgement causes conflict in understanding the world, but at the same time it is being juiced because it creates a sense of egocentricity. To see it for what it is would mean to see that world-view as a perception/judgement that can be let go of with willingness, because if it was anything more than that we would all be feeling the same way to some degree, and that feeling could not be given up.

Okay. You still haven't given me any specific, real world example, but I'm starting to understand what you're saying in purely a broad, theoretical sense. "All this bullshit" could mean anything, it's still unclear what he thinks is bullshit. Is it our culture? He at least described a few examples, like drugs, cheating and church. All I want are clear examples, not broad, vague statements, really.

I'll try using your words in a hypothetical example: "I judge my mom as being a bitch who tries to control me, but objectively, she's just a person who was raised and conditioned to act a certain way, so without judgment, I can't be emotionally affected by her"...

It is a question if you can think of anything else that would help you be truly happy. Everything that leads the way is essentially meditation in one way or another.

Things besides meditation I immediately think would bring happiness is taking action to make my life more of what I want it to be (like working towards a dream job or as simple as getting my favorite snack if I'm hungry). Meditation is described as doing nothing... taking no action... just accepting everything the way it is and tuning out all conscious judgment. I don't know if everything making you happy is essentially meditation...

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Okay. You still haven't given me any specific, real world example, but I'm starting to understand what you're saying in purely a broad, theoretical sense. "All this bullshit" could mean anything, it's still unclear what he thinks is bullshit. Is it our culture? He at least described a few examples, like drugs, cheating and church. All I want are clear examples, not broad, vague statements, really.

But perhaps the answer can only be a broad, vague statement. I have given you a "real world" example already. When you see a judgement for what it is, for example, it is completely irrelevant what that judgement is about. In cases like this, specifics are extraneous. "All this bullshit", as poopman has explained, is his depiction of the world he perceives. He has explained what it means already. It is clearly a judgement when he can see the restrictions he imposes on himself and the related attitude. From there taking action in my method is completely independent of what the judgement is about; I.e. seeing the perception arise and let go of it. When you "see it for what it is", you realize that it is a judgement held in mind, not the world as it actually is, and then the belief can be rid of.

Otherwise maybe you should re-phrase the question?

I'll try using your words in a hypothetical example: "I judge my mom as being a bitch who tries to control me, but objectively, she's just a person who was raised and conditioned to act a certain way, so without judgment, I can't be emotionally affected by her"...

Hmm, there is some truth in that, but I don't quite get your point.

Things besides meditation I immediately think would bring happiness is taking action to make my life more of what I want it to be (like working towards a dream job or as simple as getting my favorite snack if I'm hungry). Meditation is described as doing nothing... taking no action... just accepting everything the way it is and tuning out all conscious judgment. I don't know if everything making you happy is essentially meditation...

Perhaps there are some other actions we can take, but I am not talking about trivial pleasures like getting a favorite snack. That does not make you a happier person in the long-term. You did say "whole and content"... I hope this answers your question nevertheless.

To add on to my previous post: If your current state of life is not how you want it, you have to go out and find it. Sometimes, we need to shake off the chains that hold us back, and venture into the unknown to find a true place we can call home. It seems difficult and scary at first, but very quickly new things begin popping up into your life that previously had passed you by. Trust me on this one. Personal experience FTW.