Thread: Are Holy Wars Justifiable?

every single text from any holy book about fighting and war are out of context and only idiots who read said books at face value take them literally and should be sterilized before they reproduce. That includes atheists who think that just because they dont believe in God and say the bible is "stupid" makes them smarter and more likable people. Those holy books have more wisdom in them than any of us could learn and achieve in a lifetime.

Originally Posted by Suicideking

Those holy books have more wisdom in them than any of us could learn and achieve in a lifetime.

You can find anything there, if you are willing to bend it around enough. A bit same with Notradamus.

They have some good moral tales though. I would not call that wisdom. Wisdom is something you cannot write down. But they certainly can awaken and nudge people into path to wisdom, if the person is suitable. But I have noticed that living a real life usually does that a lot better and way faster, if rougher.

Originally Posted by Unelias

You can find anything there, if you are willing to bend it around enough. A bit same with Notradamus.

They have some good moral tales though. I would not call that wisdom. Wisdom is something you cannot write down. But they certainly can awaken and nudge people into path to wisdom, if the person is suitable. But I have noticed that living a real life usually does that a lot better and way faster, if rougher.

When I mean wisdom i mean truths about life and society in general. For example, the creation "myths" (they were never supposed to be taken literally, you can research that if you want) stress that even in the best environment and under the best care in the world, humans will never achieve an utopian society due to the very nature of human beings. Ego and the love of power will always best society

And the answer to the thread that I have is, holy wars are not justifiable. Most wars are not justifiable, a few are... tolerable due to necessity.

Originally Posted by Suicideking

When I mean wisdom i mean truths about life and society in general. For example, the creation "myths" (they were never supposed to be taken literally, you can research that if you want) stress that even in the best environment and under the best care in the world, humans will never achieve an utopian society due to the very nature of human beings. Ego and the love of power will always best society

True, that is how I see it too. They are often very good lines, when you inspect them in symbolic sense. That is the problem with words and languages, though. Even if not taken literally, words have different meanings to people. This leads to the situation we are in at the moment.

We're looking at this from our perspective, and it's very narrow. You have to consider time and consider the world. You may not like the road our ancestors took to get here but they took it and we got here. Evolution is evolution, yes they were ignorant fucks and we can look back and say "damn you ignorant fucks we would never do something so stupid." But that's about it, they did what they thought was best.

It's only a contradiction against God if you're trying to find the real meaning of God. Leave that to the Church, the state needs to preserve itself, the state needs to spread its power and bring in wealth. The state is going to use religion in whatever way it damn well pleases and just because you have a law separating the two doesn't mean people are no longer influenced by their religious convictions. You say holy wars don't meet up to the standard religions set, I'm saying you're over-estimating the standards religions really set. Men truly interested in salvation don't cling to religion, that's for the weak that want to feel like they're apart of something. Men truly interested in salvation don't discriminate between cultures to find truth.