Thread: Why is dreamviews more liberal than society at large?

Because DV attracts more hippies and clowns sitting in their parent's basement, sporting socialist views.

"lib·er·al/ˈlib(ə)rəl/
Adjective: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values."

The liberal argument is that there are always alternatives that may prove more beneficial to whatever it is you're doing. The conservative argument is that if one way has worked for a long time, there's no reason to change it. Right? Technological development doesn't benefit from the idea of tradition. These computers, the internet, are the result of changes that occur in technology over the years. Most of the people who understand why these changes benefit them typically discard the notion that holding onto the past would have been a better idea. In changes to the way we do things do we find that our state of civilization changes (arguably for better or worse). Some like the improvements in overall comfort. Some think it's too much. Anyways, other people are liberals because they feel like something is wrong with society or the political system or _________ and feel that changing from the traditional is a necessity to evoke any solution.

Why are you a nationalist?

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/discou...family-122005/

the ones who join the site are open to lucid dreaming

click the link and you'll see what i mean

Maybe because some of us are open-minded, and stand for justice, creativity, truth and peace? This is what a real human is and not a souless self-serving coward being

What do you stand for?

It generally takes a very open-minded person to give credence to their dreams, let alone believe in something as socially stigmatized as lucidity!! The average person who hears you talking about it looks at you like you just revealed you're a satan worshipper and drug dealer.

But being open minded means being willing to consider any perspective without prejudice. Back a few years ago I was a liberal, and through Dreamviews, discovering the website Stormfront, and listening to their memebrs with an open mind, that I actually converted to Nationalism.

Open-minded people are generally liberal. I realize there's a good deal of overlap and that some conservatives can also be fairly open-minded, but anything that smacks of racism tend to get liberals worked up.

For some reason and I'm not really sure exactly why or how it happened, apparently the membership of Dreamviews used to be largely Christian but atheists kept increasing and reached critical mass and pretty well drove the Christians away except for those who like to fight it out in R&S. Possibly it was a group of charismatic atheists who inspired the closet atheists to come out of the woodwork, idk. But however it happened, this one website managed to become predominantly atheist, and as well all know, atheists and liberals tend to be the same people much of the time. Or t least hardline Christians and Conservatives tend to be the same.

I see Dreamviews as one of the few sites where liberals and atheists can really say what's on their minds without having to kowtow to the normal pro-Christian viewpoint that says "if you don't have anything nice to say about Christianity, then don't say anything at all". So not surprisingly, a place like that is going to attract liberals and atheists.

Conservatives express interest in sustaining the values of the society. Dreams are not a core western value. Even if it doesn't actually have anything to do with political issues, conservatives and liberals have different personality types. Liberals are more open to a wider scope of experience than conservatives. Lucid Dreaming falls into this scope.

Imagine a Venn Diagram, only its not a venn diagram its an eye with a pupil representing conservative values and the iris surrounding the pupil representing liberal values.

Originally Posted by dave1701

Because DV attracts more hippies and clowns sitting in their parent's basement, sporting socialist views.

Bingo. Also, to the OP: Liberal is such an abused word these days. Liberal used to mean what today people refer to as "libertarian" (read about classical liberalism). A better word might be socialist, cultural marxist, or statist.

Because we are all moths, and Dreamviews is that enchanting light that glows in the darkness.

If you mean politically liberal, "Progressive" is a better description. Liberal means being open, from "liber" or "free". People who are open to the ideas of lucid dreaming are probably more open to other ideas. Also the average age is far lower than society at large, which brings in more "liberal" ideas, or open thoughts!

Originally Posted by flipsyde

Conservatives like the idea of lucid dreaming because they can decrease their own taxes in their dreams. Also, they can step on whoever the hell the want because no one is actually there to criticize them.

I don't even know why this is an argument. Of course people that are open to exploring their own minds are going to be the ones who are open to many other ideas.
I'm a liberal because I believe in a place where people can be trusted to do what they want and control themselves because of their own conscience. Not because someone told them too. Or because a fictional novel told them too.

That's funny how you think you're open minded, yet (I'm assuming) you would criticize someone who is opposed to the state entirely.

I'm a libertarian. People often disagree with me for many reasons... but I was raised on self-sufficiency, pay my own way through college, and work my arse off to better myself.

But that doesn't make me a bad person, I still volunteer and work for institutions that support the environment and whatnot...

Originally Posted by dave1701

Because DV attracts more hippies and clowns sitting in their parent's basement, sporting socialist views.

Guys - we weren't using the term liberal in a political sense.

Originally Posted by flipsyde

The only republican party leader who is truly apposed to the state is Ron Paul.

Slight correction* Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.

This thread is now a political debate.

Originally Posted by flipsyde

The only republican party leader who is truly apposed to the state is Ron Paul. All of the others just take bribes from corporations. I don't want to live in a place run by GREED. No one does. Thats why the bible made that a sin. It corrupts man. Everyone knows it.

Union crushing? sounds like government intervention to me.
Wars? Sounds like government bullshit.

Helping people? Fuck that I have money. Thats what those assholes think.

You're obviously very confused. Crushing government enforced unions is a very libertarian (read: Ron Paul) idea. Ending state welfare is a very libertarian idea.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

This thread is now a political debate.

I believe that is one of the laws of DV threads. "At a point, all threads have the potential to become a political debate. Once the debate ensues, all new-comers to the thread will be entirely lost and ignore it all together."

Originally Posted by flipsyde

My bad man. The "Don't Tread On Me" flag makes me lose it. And thank you preserver you are correct, however he is a business man which makes me trust him less haha.

Sorry to double post, but do you even understand what the flag represents? The Sons of Liberty, the people who created the flag, were opposing the tyrannical state ruling over them. Surely this is something to be admired?

This thread is now about correlating a person's political ideals with their living arrangements.

This thread is now a thread where you post what you think the thread is about.

Originally Posted by flipsyde

Cmind. I'm a liberal not a libertarian. Ron Paul is a libertarian. I do not support him, but he is totally anti-state.

Not really, although compared to almost every other politician, he's pretty close to anti-state. But he isn't really associated with the modern Tea Party.

Originally Posted by flipsyde

But the teaparty misuses it. Rich getting richer and poor getting poorer is not what the Sons of Liberty had in mind. Also, they are all dead and were in a totally different time period. Bringing them up at this point is almost irrelevant.

The Tea Party are too disparate to make generalizations.

As for the Sons of Liberty, they lived before the notion of state welfare even existed. To them, the idea of a state stealing money from ANY group of people to give to another group would have been deplorable. It was actually Marx in the late 19th century that started that idea.

History is very relevant. You'll understand this when you get a little older.

Originally Posted by flipsyde

I never said he was associated with that party. You sound like a republican although i can't say for sure since I have no idea. The reason they are a powerful party is because they are masters of deception. Just like how you twist my every word. Let us see how you do it this time.

I'm an anarchist, but not the socialist kind. The libertarian kind.

another god damn thread swallowed by definitions